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  • Legions36
    SBR MVP
    • 12-17-10
    • 3032

    #176
    Originally posted by durito
    easily. i haven't placed a bet there in over a year.
    Keep it that way, this way i can put more food on the table for me.
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    • HedgeHog
      SBR Posting Legend
      • 09-11-07
      • 10128

      #177
      Originally posted by Legions36
      Keep it that way, this way i can put more food on the table for me.
      With all due respect, how can you put more food on the table by encouraging people not to bet at MB? Since it's an exchange, the more the better for the bettor.
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      • durito
        SBR Posting Legend
        • 07-03-06
        • 13173

        #178
        Originally posted by Legions36
        Keep it that way, this way i can put more food on the table for me.
        good for you.
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        • Thremp
          SBR MVP
          • 07-23-07
          • 2067

          #179
          HedgeHog is really growing on me.
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          • 33therizla
            SBR Rookie
            • 02-16-11
            • 20

            #180
            how can matchbook have us accounts?
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            • shipitkthx
              SBR Hustler
              • 01-26-08
              • 56

              #181
              Originally posted by sportsfrance
              Credit guys were 100% shut down monday. 100k credit lines showed $1 on monday morning. The powers that be must of thought it over ans saw that they need these guys and all was restored. That is all I am saying. I know nothing about post up and never was talking about it.
              ^^^^^^

              LOL @ anyone claiming that nothing whatsoever happened on matchbook in the last 48 hours.
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              • todd73nj
                SBR Wise Guy
                • 08-09-08
                • 824

                #182
                So I guess no one here is a big enough player to have/have had a credit account?
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                • Legions36
                  SBR MVP
                  • 12-17-10
                  • 3032

                  #183
                  Originally posted by HedgeHog
                  With all due respect, how can you put more food on the table by encouraging people not to bet at MB? Since it's an exchange, the more the better for the bettor.
                  I was actually using reverse psychology on him, cause of his comment.
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                  • Fishhead
                    SBR Aristocracy
                    • 08-11-05
                    • 40179

                    #184
                    Originally posted by durito
                    easily. i haven't placed a bet there in over a year.


                    My condolences......
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                    • the sink
                      SBR High Roller
                      • 03-04-10
                      • 201

                      #185
                      We should offer matchbook money to bring back the market makers
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                      • durito
                        SBR Posting Legend
                        • 07-03-06
                        • 13173

                        #186
                        Originally posted by Fishhead
                        My condolences......
                        tough life
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                        • KGambler
                          SBR MVP
                          • 07-09-09
                          • 2404

                          #187
                          Wow. Another terrible post full of fail by skeletorfan.

                          Originally posted by skrtelfan
                          LOL. Because you have your own definition of liquidity that runs completely counter to any reasonable definition of liquidity, anyone who disagrees that the market was illiquid Monday is "clueless." Free hint: the NBA betting market is open for a long time before "the time of the first game."

                          Pick up the most rudimentary textbook, hell, go to Wikipedia since that's about your speed: "The essential characteristic of a liquid market is that there are ready and willing buyers and sellers at all times." Where the hell were the willing sellers at noon PST on Monday??? They weren't there, hence the market was not liquid.
                          ???
                          By your definition, the NYSE does not represent a liquid market. How could you be this UNEDUCATED? You clearly don't know what "liquidity" means.


                          I never said "there's no liquidity, I guess I can't bet here." I said "there's no liquidity, I can't be a buyer."
                          More nonsense. Nothing you say makes any sense to people who have a clue.


                          I was in the market, and there was no market for me as a buyer. Hence the liquidity was awful.
                          This is typical. A guy posts something really stupid, gets called out on it, and then moves the goal posts rather than retract what he said. Here is what you said:

                          Liquidity on NBA sides was absolutely awful yesterday.
                          Gee, I don't see any "at noon" caveat. You just labeled the liquidity "absolutely awful" "yesterday". I have never seen good liquidity in the MB NBA market hours before game time. That is not what we are talking about. You moved the goal posts. Quite pathetic... I really shouldn't even waste my time with liars like this.

                          Go back to posting about Credit Wagering as if they're some sort of reliable book, that's more up your alley than big boy economic terms that you don't understand.
                          You're so incompetent. You clearly have me confused with another poster. Do you ever get anything right?

                          You weren't in the market either at that time (unless you were the guy with the $300 offers) so who the hell are you to rag on other people for not making offers at that time when you weren't making offers either???
                          Again moving the goal posts... Read what I actually wrote. In this thread I have already said that I don't dispute that liquidity was lower because I was not monitoring the markets except for a small 15 minute window. I have already said that liquidity is never good at the time you cited upon moving the goal posts. I have already said that I only took issue with two comments about the liquidity. One person said it was "empty" and you said it was "awful". I know it wasn't awful because I wanted to make a $3K bet and it took me no time at all. Ditto for the next day when I bet $4K on one game. I already know that the liquidity is not "awful", nor are the markets "empty".

                          You want to have arbs handed to you on a silver platter. You are scared shitless to make an offer because you don't handicap and are afraid of line movements.

                          Good luck with your gambling career.
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                          • KGambler
                            SBR MVP
                            • 07-09-09
                            • 2404

                            #188
                            Originally posted by coldhardfacts
                            I really don't see any point in continuing to try to convince anyone that Matchbook is an essential out for any serious player. If they can't understand that it's better to lay -100 than -105 or -110, or that if the line elsewhere is -125/+115, and if you make an offer at -119 it is likely to get matched (and you'll get a rebate besides), then they are losers, pure and simple.

                            And lol at the guy who said that losing bettors will lose more slowly at Matchbook. That's a GOOD thing, isn't it, assuming you're intent on gambling regardless? And, by the same logic, if you're a winning player you'll win more at Matchbook.

                            BTW - I made offers on 4 NBA games, 1 NHL game, and 1 college game yesterday, and all were matched.
                            Great post.
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                            • Monte
                              SBR MVP
                              • 08-21-10
                              • 2056

                              #189
                              Just stop glorifying them maybe, people who really have a clue know that it is as hard to beat lines at Matchbook as it would be at Pinny on a mature market. You just don't loose much, but it doesn't mean it makes you a winner. Weak lines at MB get picked off quickly, what's so hard to understand about that. Sure if you are fast it can still be good, but not easy.
                              Why do ppl like Fishhead taunt books like SIA, Heritage with their bonuses or any other square shop? Because that's where the money is, if you can still play there...
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                              • Legions36
                                SBR MVP
                                • 12-17-10
                                • 3032

                                #190
                                Originally posted by Monte
                                Just stop glorifying them maybe, people who really have a clue know that it is as hard to beat lines at Matchbook as it would be at Pinny on a mature market. You just don't loose much, but it doesn't mean it makes you a winner. Weak lines at MB get picked off quickly, what's so hard to understand about that. Sure if you are fast it can still be good, but not easy.
                                Why do ppl like Fishhead taunt books like SIA, Heritage with their bonuses or any other square shop? Because that's where the money is, if you can still play there...
                                OMG what are u trying to prove hear. If u dont like the lines dont bet on them, if u dont have time to find a good price dont bet on them, if u think its to hard to win at Match dont bet on them. I use all the top books and i like Match the best out of all of them. Put it this way why do u guys say its hard to win at Match when most of the time u get better prices than other places. And when u dont then u look elsewhere how hard is that. Do u know how much a .05-.10 line difference adds up over time, just out of 10k bets thats 500-1000 right theres, 100k thats 5k-10k right there. Do u guys realize this or u like paying more for not taking the time to do your homework.
                                Also Matchbook's lines has nothing to do with the outcome of games,seriously its 1 of 2 ways either your gonna win or your not and with those numbers i just posted for you guys it gives u guys that much more of a chance of prospering.
                                Offshore or not everyone should have Match or similar,i cant vouch for Betfair cause im not there but they say great things about it.
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                                • cobra_king
                                  SBR MVP
                                  • 08-07-06
                                  • 2491

                                  #191
                                  The great thing about reading threads like these is it makes you realize why some of us can always consistently make money betting sports.
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                                  • KGambler
                                    SBR MVP
                                    • 07-09-09
                                    • 2404

                                    #192
                                    The first part of your post is ridiculous and has been addressed ad nauseum.

                                    Originally posted by Monte
                                    Why do ppl like Fishhead taunt books like SIA, Heritage with their bonuses or any other square shop? Because that's where the money is, if you can still play there...
                                    I for one love square books. I also love to bet Indy +6 -105 at a square book and Mia -6 +112 at Matchbook. WTF is so hard to understand about this?
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                                    • Legions36
                                      SBR MVP
                                      • 12-17-10
                                      • 3032

                                      #193
                                      Originally posted by KGambler
                                      The first part of your post is ridiculous and has been addressed ad nauseum.



                                      I for one love square books. I also love to bet Indy +6 -105 at a square book and Mia -6 +112 at Matchbook. WTF is so hard to understand about this?
                                      In one ear and out the other.
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                                      • Scooter
                                        SBR MVP
                                        • 01-15-07
                                        • 1159

                                        #194
                                        Originally posted by KGambler
                                        SAS -8.5 +113

                                        18:58 +111 200/222
                                        18:59 +111 795/882.45
                                        19:04 +114 1959.65/2234
                                        19:04 +114 0.35/0.40

                                        commission +5.91

                                        Total 2955/3344.76



                                        Here's the Pinny line:
                                        6:52 PM-8 -103+8 -107
                                        7:01 PM-8 +101+8 -111
                                        7:05 PM-8 +100+8 -110
                                        7:07 PM-8 +103+8 -114

                                        Were these all offers you accepted?
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                                        • Monte
                                          SBR MVP
                                          • 08-21-10
                                          • 2056

                                          #195
                                          Originally posted by KGambler
                                          The first part of your post is ridiculous and has been addressed ad nauseum.



                                          I for one love square books. I also love to bet Indy +6 -105 at a square book and Mia -6 +112 at Matchbook. WTF is so hard to understand about this?
                                          Nothing, besides it is the proof that you are a square who pissed money away by scalping it out instead of taking the big +EV. Go play with the kids and leave ppl with a clue alone please, thanks.
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                                          • Fishhead
                                            SBR Aristocracy
                                            • 08-11-05
                                            • 40179

                                            #196
                                            Originally posted by Monte
                                            Nothing, besides it is the proof that you are a square who pissed money away by scalping it out instead of taking the big +EV. Go play with the kids and leave ppl with a clue alone please, thanks.

                                            More proof that you should resign from this thread..............
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                                            • Monte
                                              SBR MVP
                                              • 08-21-10
                                              • 2056

                                              #197
                                              Why, so shills like you have a better day? Lol, i don't care it is a bit of fun that's all when clueless people or just ppl who prolly get paid to post this shit are babbling.
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                                              • Fishhead
                                                SBR Aristocracy
                                                • 08-11-05
                                                • 40179

                                                #198
                                                Originally posted by Monte
                                                Why, so shills like you have a better day? Lol, i don't care it is a bit of fun that's all when clueless people or just ppl who prolly get paid to post this shit are babbling.

                                                ....more nonsense.

                                                At least your posts are good for a laugh.
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                                                • Legions36
                                                  SBR MVP
                                                  • 12-17-10
                                                  • 3032

                                                  #199
                                                  Originally posted by Monte
                                                  Why, so shills like you have a better day? Lol, i don't care it is a bit of fun that's all when clueless people or just ppl who prolly get paid to post this shit are babbling.
                                                  HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
                                                  Yeah we are paid so we can post here at any time we want. And clueless i think your wrong, "u dont care" your wrong again, only thing your right about is "its a bit of fun"
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                                                  • Cookie Monster
                                                    SBR MVP
                                                    • 12-05-08
                                                    • 2251

                                                    #200
                                                    I am a bit annoyed with this tread posts. Instead of calling names, players and arbers would be thankful of each others. Many arbers sacrifice EV to reduce variance, so they buy offers from +EV players. Both sides get their wishes, and most possibly win money. No one is dumb, both have a winning strategy.

                                                    Other random thoughts:

                                                    1.- Matchbook often has the best prices in many sides. It is a great weapon for many players. But is is NOT supposed to be the only book of anyone. Besides matchy, you must have at least one low juice book (pinny, 5dimes) a big limit one (pinny, greek, cris) and some square books. So, repeat after me: Matchbook is not supposed to take all my bets.

                                                    2.- Liquidity clearly took a hit earlier this week. You still could get some orders filled, and the offers in the last minutes were fine... but saying that everything worked like before is fooling yourself. Looks like liquidity was better yesterday, we all hope this trend continues.
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                                                    • KGambler
                                                      SBR MVP
                                                      • 07-09-09
                                                      • 2404

                                                      #201
                                                      Originally posted by Scooter
                                                      Were these all offers you accepted?
                                                      No, those were offers I made and others accepted.
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                                                      • sideloaded
                                                        SBR Hall of Famer
                                                        • 08-21-10
                                                        • 7561

                                                        #202
                                                        Originally posted by Cookie Monster
                                                        I am a bit annoyed with this tread posts. Instead of calling names, players and arbers would be thankful of each others. Many arbers sacrifice EV to reduce variance, so they buy offers from +EV players. Both sides get their wishes, and most possibly win money. No one is dumb, both have a winning strategy.

                                                        Other random thoughts:

                                                        1.- Matchbook often has the best prices in many sides. It is a great weapon for many players. But is is NOT supposed to be the only book of anyone. Besides matchy, you must have at least one low juice book (pinny, 5dimes) a big limit one (pinny, greek, cris) and some square books. So, repeat after me: Matchbook is not supposed to take all my bets.

                                                        2.- Liquidity clearly took a hit earlier this week. You still could get some orders filled, and the offers in the last minutes were fine... but saying that everything worked like before is fooling yourself. Looks like liquidity was better yesterday, we all hope this trend continues.
                                                        Thank you for saying this.
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                                                        • HedgeHog
                                                          SBR Posting Legend
                                                          • 09-11-07
                                                          • 10128

                                                          #203
                                                          I think Cookie Monster nailed it--we do seem to be splitting hairs. MB does have pockets of liquidity, much like an oasis in the desert. NBA halftimes, for example, are often flush with offers. Hoping, as we all are, that Baseball brings even more liquidity back. Long live MB.
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                                                          • Fishhead
                                                            SBR Aristocracy
                                                            • 08-11-05
                                                            • 40179

                                                            #204
                                                            Originally posted by HedgeHog
                                                            I think Cookie Monster nailed it--we do seem to be splitting hairs. MB does have pockets of liquidity, much like an oasis in the desert. NBA halftimes, for example, are often flush with offers. Hoping, as we all are, that Baseball brings even more liquidity back. Long live MB.


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                                                            • mtneer1212
                                                              SBR MVP
                                                              • 06-22-08
                                                              • 4993

                                                              #205
                                                              Baseball has always been a strength for Matchbook. Let's hope they are strong come springtime.
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                                                              • Fishhead
                                                                SBR Aristocracy
                                                                • 08-11-05
                                                                • 40179

                                                                #206
                                                                Originally posted by mtneer1212
                                                                Baseball has always been a strength for Matchbook. Let's hope they are strong come springtime.


                                                                Certainly should be........should be many deposits coming into MB heading into MARCH MADNESS/BASEBALL
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                                                                • skrtelfan
                                                                  SBR MVP
                                                                  • 10-09-08
                                                                  • 1913

                                                                  #207
                                                                  Originally posted by KGambler
                                                                  By your definition, the NYSE does not represent a liquid market.
                                                                  Not my definition. I grabbed that from Wikipedia, which is around your level of reading comprehension.

                                                                  Gee, I don't see any "at noon" caveat. You just labeled the liquidity "absolutely awful" "yesterday". I have never seen good liquidity in the MB NBA market hours before game time.
                                                                  Obviously you don't bet at Matchbook, par for the course with you and your 2+2 buddies. There's usually several thousand dollars per side at a reasonably tight spread. That wasn't the case Monday.

                                                                  You're so incompetent. You clearly have me confused with another poster. Do you ever get anything right?
                                                                  You've made many posts to 2+2 over the past few days implying that one's presence on the CreditWagering "stiff list" means they're a stiff. You know CW robbed about as many people on CPs as sportsbook.com, right? CW's MO was to void the CPs and then essentially try to extort their clients by labeling them "stiffs" if they didn't pay to make up for the voided CPs.

                                                                  In this thread I have already said that I don't dispute that liquidity was lower because I was not monitoring the markets except for a small 15 minute window.
                                                                  Great, you agree with me.

                                                                  I have already said that liquidity is never good at the time you cited upon moving the goal posts.
                                                                  Great, you agree that liquidity was awful.

                                                                  I have already said that I only took issue with two comments about the liquidity.
                                                                  One person said it was "empty" and you said it was "awful". I know it wasn't awful
                                                                  You just agreed it was awful a few sentences before until you moved the goal posts. I shouldn't even waste my time replying to these lies.

                                                                  because I wanted to make a $3K bet and it took me no time at all. Ditto for the next day when I bet $4K on one game. I already know that the liquidity is not "awful", nor are the markets "empty".
                                                                  That you were able to bet 3k shortly before tipoff does not mean the liquidity was not awful. NBA markets are open for a much longer time than a few minutes before tipoff.

                                                                  You want to have arbs handed to you on a silver platter.
                                                                  No, I rarely arb, actually, for the most part I'm able to identify soft sides.

                                                                  You are scared shitless to make an offer because you don't handicap and are afraid of line movements.
                                                                  No, I do plenty of my own handicapping. You'll find plenty of previous posts of mine where I've complained that my Matchbook offers in major soccer markets weren't accepted even though my offer was better than Betfair's price pre-commission. I guess you've taken a page out of Fishhead's textbook of "making shit up."
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                                                                  • skrtelfan
                                                                    SBR MVP
                                                                    • 10-09-08
                                                                    • 1913

                                                                    #208
                                                                    Originally posted by KGambler
                                                                    I for one love square books. I also love to bet Indy +6 -105 at a square book and Mia -6 +112 at Matchbook. WTF is so hard to understand about this?
                                                                    Who's the one too chickenshit to bet anything but arbs? LOL. You might as well write Matchbook a check rather than bet that -6 +112.
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                                                                    • Jnas
                                                                      SBR Wise Guy
                                                                      • 08-26-10
                                                                      • 760

                                                                      #209
                                                                      I e-mailed MB about depositing on Wednesday no response. I e-mailed them again today no response. In my prior experience with them they have always responded fast. Starting to wonder if something is going on
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                                                                      • Fishhead
                                                                        SBR Aristocracy
                                                                        • 08-11-05
                                                                        • 40179

                                                                        #210
                                                                        Originally posted by Jnas
                                                                        I e-mailed MB about depositing on Wednesday no response. I e-mailed them again today no response. In my prior experience with them they have always responded fast. Starting to wonder if something is going on
                                                                        MATCHBOOK is a must out for the U.S. based punter.......
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