"WSEX says 'Bend over and Cough' "... the saga continues...
If you missed the original thread...here is a brief summary:
1) I transferred $1K from The Greek to WSEX
2) Due to cs problems, WSEX offered me a $200 bonus w/2x rollover requirement
2) At well over 2x, I asked for a withdrawal
3) WSEX said the rollover was 10x
4) My email records proved that they were wrong
5) A thread was started,"WSEX says bend over and cough"
6) WSEX said they made a mistake
and approved my withdrawal.
Even Sportsbettors Have Egos
NOW...
Here's where it gets fun.
Let's face it...
I'm a sportsbettor.
And even sportsbettors have egos
So seeing as WSEX was willing to pony up...
Guess what I did?
Of course...I left the funds in WSEX and continued to play.
About a week later, I broke their (IMHO) ridiculous 10x attempted money grab and (of course) requested a withdrawal by email. Specifically, I asked them to verify that the 10x rollover had been reached and that my money was available for withdrawal.
...NO RESPONSE for two days....
I still had the email left over from when they had (apparently briefly) offered to return my cash. And there was a phone number...which I called.
I talked to the person who had sent the email and asked her to verify that the 10x rollover had been surpassed.
She returned to the line and said I could make a request for a withdrawal by email (because I had been having so much success doing that, right?).
Now here's the interesting fact:
At no time...neither by email or by phone...did WSEX ever acknowledge that the 10X rollover had been reached.
Apparently, WSEX doesn't like it when you actually take their bonus.
If you've been paying attention to recent threads, you know that WSEX is apparently slow-paying by mail. So I asked them to transfer my funds to the Greek.
I had expected to have to pay a fee for withdrawal from the Greek. But, at least that way my funds would come jackrabbit fast, right?
Nightmare On Sportsbook Street!
Now here's where it get REALLY INTERESTING...
It took a while...but my funds finally DID arrive at The Greek.
And so I requested a withdrawal.
Guess what they said?
Sorry son, you can't have your money until you wager it at least one time.
WTF!...is this some sort of live horror flick..."NIGHTMARE ON SPORTSBOOK STREET !"...
So I emailed The Greek customer service and asked them which web page says that a 1x rollover is required.
Here's their wacky answer...
"If entire deposit amount(s) are not placed on wagers at least once, any transfer charges associated with the deposit amount(s) will be deducted from the account prior to the withdrawal [minimum five percent (5%)]. Other restrictions may apply."
Now if you're a normal dufus...they've got you bullsh--ed.
However, if you're even a first year law student...you know that the above paragraph does NOT forbid withdrawals without a 1x rollover...it only warns you that if you make a withdraw without turning over, they have a right to sock you with any transfer charges associated with making the deposit. PERIOD.
Also...the phrase "Other restrictions may apply" is entirely different than "Other restrictions apply, refer to such and such page on this website or contact the accounting department for details."
Now..check this out...
I ALREADY HAD FUNDS AT THE GREEK.
Even after processing my withdrawal request...
1) They would have collected a fee for that
2) The remainder of my balance at their book would have INCREASED BY 22%!!!
Talk about cowboy stupid...
But Nooooooo....they had to have ALLLLL the money....
So after going back and forth with The Greek accounting department. I received an email from "Risk Management".
Dear Mr.XXXXX,
We will be glad to transfer the the funds back to WSEX for you, but we will not allow a withdrawal for the amount until the full amount has been wagered at least once.
Best regards,
XXXX
Manager
Accounts/Risk management
Yes, you read that right..."back to WSEX for you..."
Sportsbooks Gone Nuts
You know, this whole soap opera is over a few hundred dollars...
And it gets me to wondering...how can major sportsbooks be so rapacious over mere chump change? I haven't had this much trouble getting my money since I was a member of AllStar Sportsbook and Casino..... Back when nobody had ever heard of Neteller. And Western Union was the only viable way to transfer funds. ...the dark ages...
Apparently...these critters have no idea of the crap they cause themselves....
For example...
I needed a mere $400 and I knew where I could get a hold of it before the next settlement...at the sportsbook, ya dig?
So, guess what, the sportsbooks bedeviled me and I wound up having to ask my friend, Bob for a short term loan.
And NOW...I gotta tell Bob..."Say, Bob...remember that first sportsbook that was giving me trouble? Well, now the book I transferred the money to is giving me trouble and I don't know WHEN I'm gonna be able to pay you. EVEN THOUGH I GOT THE MONEY."
And this is the Midwest and Bob's a religious guy. So guess what he's gonna think? He's gonna think sportsbetting is "of the devil".
And, of course, now that this nutty escapade has taken place...Bob will share his story with members of the congregation.
And by this same time next week, people from Maine to California are going to be gossiping about this on their cell phones.
The mere pennies they fought over...pales in comparison to amount of damage these sportsbooks have done to their reputations. Which IMHO is just NUTS.
Driven Skeptical
We're told that these are "professional" books.
Yet, after placing over twelve thousand dollars worth of wagers during the NBA...I still can't get anyone to give me back a mere $400.
Does that seem "PROFESSIONAL" to you?
So...I've been driven skeptical.
If the nutty sportsbooks cause this much trouble over so little...how likely is it that they will pay me off into the tens or hundreds of thousands?
- Not very -
It seems to me that "professional" is simply code for "degenerate whale".
But, as far, as welcoming winners...
Well WSEX DEFINITELY doesn't want them.
And The Greek...well...they're busy managing the wrong risks.
Meanwhile...
I have money at The Greek but they won't give it to me and they don't have a leg to stand on as to why.
One Last Thing
One last thing you gotta know is that I'm not a new player at The Greek. I've been there for years. And I had planned on topping up my account sometime next month...for the middle of the MLB season.
Apparently I'm not alone. If you carefully peruse the threads, you'll see the major books are averaging a complaint a week recently. Is there some economic downturn that players haven't learned about yet? Could that be why the top books are suddenly acting like Scrooge? Your guess is as good as mine but I don't ever recall them being so petty...so small minded...
SO NUTS!
If you missed the original thread...here is a brief summary:
1) I transferred $1K from The Greek to WSEX
2) Due to cs problems, WSEX offered me a $200 bonus w/2x rollover requirement
2) At well over 2x, I asked for a withdrawal
3) WSEX said the rollover was 10x
4) My email records proved that they were wrong
5) A thread was started,"WSEX says bend over and cough"
6) WSEX said they made a mistake

Even Sportsbettors Have Egos
NOW...
Here's where it gets fun.

Let's face it...
I'm a sportsbettor.
And even sportsbettors have egos

So seeing as WSEX was willing to pony up...
Guess what I did?
Of course...I left the funds in WSEX and continued to play.
About a week later, I broke their (IMHO) ridiculous 10x attempted money grab and (of course) requested a withdrawal by email. Specifically, I asked them to verify that the 10x rollover had been reached and that my money was available for withdrawal.
...NO RESPONSE for two days....

I still had the email left over from when they had (apparently briefly) offered to return my cash. And there was a phone number...which I called.
I talked to the person who had sent the email and asked her to verify that the 10x rollover had been surpassed.
She returned to the line and said I could make a request for a withdrawal by email (because I had been having so much success doing that, right?).

Now here's the interesting fact:
At no time...neither by email or by phone...did WSEX ever acknowledge that the 10X rollover had been reached.
Apparently, WSEX doesn't like it when you actually take their bonus.

If you've been paying attention to recent threads, you know that WSEX is apparently slow-paying by mail. So I asked them to transfer my funds to the Greek.
I had expected to have to pay a fee for withdrawal from the Greek. But, at least that way my funds would come jackrabbit fast, right?

Nightmare On Sportsbook Street!
Now here's where it get REALLY INTERESTING...

It took a while...but my funds finally DID arrive at The Greek.
And so I requested a withdrawal.
Guess what they said?
Sorry son, you can't have your money until you wager it at least one time.

WTF!...is this some sort of live horror flick..."NIGHTMARE ON SPORTSBOOK STREET !"...

So I emailed The Greek customer service and asked them which web page says that a 1x rollover is required.
Here's their wacky answer...
"If entire deposit amount(s) are not placed on wagers at least once, any transfer charges associated with the deposit amount(s) will be deducted from the account prior to the withdrawal [minimum five percent (5%)]. Other restrictions may apply."
Now if you're a normal dufus...they've got you bullsh--ed.
However, if you're even a first year law student...you know that the above paragraph does NOT forbid withdrawals without a 1x rollover...it only warns you that if you make a withdraw without turning over, they have a right to sock you with any transfer charges associated with making the deposit. PERIOD.
Also...the phrase "Other restrictions may apply" is entirely different than "Other restrictions apply, refer to such and such page on this website or contact the accounting department for details."
Now..check this out...
I ALREADY HAD FUNDS AT THE GREEK.
Even after processing my withdrawal request...
1) They would have collected a fee for that
2) The remainder of my balance at their book would have INCREASED BY 22%!!!

Talk about cowboy stupid...
But Nooooooo....they had to have ALLLLL the money....

So after going back and forth with The Greek accounting department. I received an email from "Risk Management".
Dear Mr.XXXXX,
We will be glad to transfer the the funds back to WSEX for you, but we will not allow a withdrawal for the amount until the full amount has been wagered at least once.
Best regards,
XXXX
Manager
Accounts/Risk management
Yes, you read that right..."back to WSEX for you..."

Sportsbooks Gone Nuts
You know, this whole soap opera is over a few hundred dollars...
And it gets me to wondering...how can major sportsbooks be so rapacious over mere chump change? I haven't had this much trouble getting my money since I was a member of AllStar Sportsbook and Casino..... Back when nobody had ever heard of Neteller. And Western Union was the only viable way to transfer funds. ...the dark ages...

Apparently...these critters have no idea of the crap they cause themselves....
For example...
I needed a mere $400 and I knew where I could get a hold of it before the next settlement...at the sportsbook, ya dig?
So, guess what, the sportsbooks bedeviled me and I wound up having to ask my friend, Bob for a short term loan.
And NOW...I gotta tell Bob..."Say, Bob...remember that first sportsbook that was giving me trouble? Well, now the book I transferred the money to is giving me trouble and I don't know WHEN I'm gonna be able to pay you. EVEN THOUGH I GOT THE MONEY."
And this is the Midwest and Bob's a religious guy. So guess what he's gonna think? He's gonna think sportsbetting is "of the devil".
And, of course, now that this nutty escapade has taken place...Bob will share his story with members of the congregation.

And by this same time next week, people from Maine to California are going to be gossiping about this on their cell phones.
The mere pennies they fought over...pales in comparison to amount of damage these sportsbooks have done to their reputations. Which IMHO is just NUTS.

Driven Skeptical

We're told that these are "professional" books.
Yet, after placing over twelve thousand dollars worth of wagers during the NBA...I still can't get anyone to give me back a mere $400.
Does that seem "PROFESSIONAL" to you?

So...I've been driven skeptical.
If the nutty sportsbooks cause this much trouble over so little...how likely is it that they will pay me off into the tens or hundreds of thousands?
- Not very -
It seems to me that "professional" is simply code for "degenerate whale".
But, as far, as welcoming winners...
Well WSEX DEFINITELY doesn't want them.

And The Greek...well...they're busy managing the wrong risks.
Meanwhile...
I have money at The Greek but they won't give it to me and they don't have a leg to stand on as to why.
One Last Thing
One last thing you gotta know is that I'm not a new player at The Greek. I've been there for years. And I had planned on topping up my account sometime next month...for the middle of the MLB season.
Apparently I'm not alone. If you carefully peruse the threads, you'll see the major books are averaging a complaint a week recently. Is there some economic downturn that players haven't learned about yet? Could that be why the top books are suddenly acting like Scrooge? Your guess is as good as mine but I don't ever recall them being so petty...so small minded...
SO NUTS!
