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  • Shazer
    SBR Rookie
    • 07-02-07
    • 40

    #1
    Sportsbooks Gone Nuts
    "WSEX says 'Bend over and Cough' "... the saga continues...

    If you missed the original thread...here is a brief summary:

    1) I transferred $1K from The Greek to WSEX
    2) Due to cs problems, WSEX offered me a $200 bonus w/2x rollover requirement
    2) At well over 2x, I asked for a withdrawal
    3) WSEX said the rollover was 10x
    4) My email records proved that they were wrong
    5) A thread was started,"WSEX says bend over and cough"
    6) WSEX said they made a mistake and approved my withdrawal.


    Even Sportsbettors Have Egos

    NOW...
    Here's where it gets fun.

    Let's face it...
    I'm a sportsbettor.
    And even sportsbettors have egos

    So seeing as WSEX was willing to pony up...
    Guess what I did?

    Of course...I left the funds in WSEX and continued to play.

    About a week later, I broke their (IMHO) ridiculous 10x attempted money grab and (of course) requested a withdrawal by email. Specifically, I asked them to verify that the 10x rollover had been reached and that my money was available for withdrawal.

    ...NO RESPONSE for two days....

    I still had the email left over from when they had (apparently briefly) offered to return my cash. And there was a phone number...which I called.

    I talked to the person who had sent the email and asked her to verify that the 10x rollover had been surpassed.

    She returned to the line and said I could make a request for a withdrawal by email (because I had been having so much success doing that, right?).

    Now here's the interesting fact:
    At no time...neither by email or by phone...did WSEX ever acknowledge that the 10X rollover had been reached.

    Apparently, WSEX doesn't like it when you actually take their bonus.

    If you've been paying attention to recent threads, you know that WSEX is apparently slow-paying by mail. So I asked them to transfer my funds to the Greek.

    I had expected to have to pay a fee for withdrawal from the Greek. But, at least that way my funds would come jackrabbit fast, right?


    Nightmare On Sportsbook Street!

    Now here's where it get REALLY INTERESTING...

    It took a while...but my funds finally DID arrive at The Greek.
    And so I requested a withdrawal.

    Guess what they said?

    Sorry son, you can't have your money until you wager it at least one time.

    WTF!...is this some sort of live horror flick..."NIGHTMARE ON SPORTSBOOK STREET !"...

    So I emailed The Greek customer service and asked them which web page says that a 1x rollover is required.

    Here's their wacky answer...
    "If entire deposit amount(s) are not placed on wagers at least once, any transfer charges associated with the deposit amount(s) will be deducted from the account prior to the withdrawal [minimum five percent (5%)]. Other restrictions may apply."

    Now if you're a normal dufus...they've got you bullsh--ed.
    However, if you're even a first year law student...you know that the above paragraph does NOT forbid withdrawals without a 1x rollover...it only warns you that if you make a withdraw without turning over, they have a right to sock you with any transfer charges associated with making the deposit. PERIOD.

    Also...the phrase "Other restrictions may apply" is entirely different than "Other restrictions apply, refer to such and such page on this website or contact the accounting department for details."

    Now..check this out...
    I ALREADY HAD FUNDS AT THE GREEK.

    Even after processing my withdrawal request...

    1) They would have collected a fee for that

    2) The remainder of my balance at their book would have INCREASED BY 22%!!!

    Talk about cowboy stupid...

    But Nooooooo....they had to have ALLLLL the money....

    So after going back and forth with The Greek accounting department. I received an email from "Risk Management".

    Dear Mr.XXXXX,

    We will be glad to transfer the the funds back to WSEX for you, but we will not allow a withdrawal for the amount until the full amount has been wagered at least once.

    Best regards,
    XXXX
    Manager
    Accounts/Risk management


    Yes, you read that right..."back to WSEX for you..."

    Sportsbooks Gone Nuts

    You know, this whole soap opera is over a few hundred dollars...

    And it gets me to wondering...how can major sportsbooks be so rapacious over mere chump change? I haven't had this much trouble getting my money since I was a member of AllStar Sportsbook and Casino..... Back when nobody had ever heard of Neteller. And Western Union was the only viable way to transfer funds. ...the dark ages...

    Apparently...these critters have no idea of the crap they cause themselves....

    For example...
    I needed a mere $400 and I knew where I could get a hold of it before the next settlement...at the sportsbook, ya dig?

    So, guess what, the sportsbooks bedeviled me and I wound up having to ask my friend, Bob for a short term loan.

    And NOW...I gotta tell Bob..."Say, Bob...remember that first sportsbook that was giving me trouble? Well, now the book I transferred the money to is giving me trouble and I don't know WHEN I'm gonna be able to pay you. EVEN THOUGH I GOT THE MONEY."

    And this is the Midwest and Bob's a religious guy. So guess what he's gonna think? He's gonna think sportsbetting is "of the devil".

    And, of course, now that this nutty escapade has taken place...Bob will share his story with members of the congregation.

    And by this same time next week, people from Maine to California are going to be gossiping about this on their cell phones.

    The mere pennies they fought over...pales in comparison to amount of damage these sportsbooks have done to their reputations. Which IMHO is just NUTS.

    Driven Skeptical

    We're told that these are "professional" books.
    Yet, after placing over twelve thousand dollars worth of wagers during the NBA...I still can't get anyone to give me back a mere $400.

    Does that seem "PROFESSIONAL" to you?

    So...I've been driven skeptical.

    If the nutty sportsbooks cause this much trouble over so little...how likely is it that they will pay me off into the tens or hundreds of thousands?

    - Not very -

    It seems to me that "professional" is simply code for "degenerate whale".
    But, as far, as welcoming winners...

    Well WSEX DEFINITELY doesn't want them.
    And The Greek...well...they're busy managing the wrong risks.

    Meanwhile...
    I have money at The Greek but they won't give it to me and they don't have a leg to stand on as to why.


    One Last Thing

    One last thing you gotta know is that I'm not a new player at The Greek. I've been there for years. And I had planned on topping up my account sometime next month...for the middle of the MLB season.

    Apparently I'm not alone. If you carefully peruse the threads, you'll see the major books are averaging a complaint a week recently. Is there some economic downturn that players haven't learned about yet? Could that be why the top books are suddenly acting like Scrooge? Your guess is as good as mine but I don't ever recall them being so petty...so small minded...

    SO NUTS!


  • RickySteve
    Restricted User
    • 01-31-06
    • 3415

    #2
    Have you ever tried meditation?
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    • durito
      SBR Posting Legend
      • 07-03-06
      • 13173

      #3
      You should probably stop gambling.
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      • HedgeHog
        SBR Posting Legend
        • 09-11-07
        • 10128

        #4
        Free transfers to Books generally come with a one-time rollover on the receiving end--no big deal. . If you were lucky enough to get a bonus, then 5x to 10x is expected for the rollover. By the way, it's "turn your head and cough" for a hernia check. No Doc says "bend over and cough" unless he (or she) is in a hurry to check your ass and balls at the same time.
        Last edited by HedgeHog; 04-09-08, 03:10 PM.
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        • SBR Lou
          BARRELED IN @ SBR!
          • 08-02-07
          • 37863

          #5
          LoL @ not wanting to complete a 1x rollover after you just TRANSFERRED to a book.

          Also I would not play at Greek for MLB if I were you. 5dimes, Matchbook, for starters would be better.
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          • Shazer
            SBR Rookie
            • 07-02-07
            • 40

            #6
            Originally posted by HedgeHog
            By the way, it's "turn your head and cough" for a hernia check. No Doc says "bend over and cough" unless he (or she) is in a hurry to check your ass and balls at the same time.
            Was already covered in the last thread but thanks for the anatomy lesson. It's interesting how males feel it necessary to set that record straight...
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            • Shazer
              SBR Rookie
              • 07-02-07
              • 40

              #7
              Originally posted by HedgeHog
              Free transfers to Books generally come with a one-time rollover on the receiving end--no big deal.
              PS...NOTHING is a big deal if it's up front. There isn't anything on The Greek website to justify it.
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              • Shazer
                SBR Rookie
                • 07-02-07
                • 40

                #8
                Originally posted by crazyl
                LoL @ not wanting to complete a 1x rollover after you just TRANSFERRED to a book.
                Crazyl: Love ya Girl. But go back and read again. I didn't just transfer to the book. I was already AT the book.
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                • bigboydan
                  SBR Aristocracy
                  • 08-10-05
                  • 55420

                  #9
                  Originally posted by crazyl
                  LoL @ not wanting to complete a 1x rollover after you just TRANSFERRED to a book.
                  That is rather comical really, because a 1x's rollover is nothing. I mean he should feel fortunate it wasn't 5 to 10x's like some books impose at times.
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                  • Justin7
                    SBR Hall of Famer
                    • 07-31-06
                    • 8577

                    #10
                    Without 1x rollover on book to book transfers, Sportsbooks would become money laundering tools. They are already close to this, so you can't fault them for making criminal activities a bit harder.
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                    • MOONCRICKET
                      SBR High Roller
                      • 08-23-07
                      • 239

                      #11
                      Bend Over And Cough

                      I'm Not Proud To Say That Ive Done Time- But, Hey, Ive Done Some Time - And When You Get Processed One Of The Many Things That Are Required Of AN INMATE Is To "bend Over And Cough". Apparently This Gives The Man A Birds Eye View Into Your Innards To Assess Whether Or Not You May Have "suitcased" Some Contraband.
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                      • Shazer
                        SBR Rookie
                        • 07-02-07
                        • 40

                        #12
                        Originally posted by bigboydan
                        That is rather comical really, because a 1x's rollover is nothing. I mean he should feel fortunate...
                        Well...actually there's a part of this story that I'm sworn not to tell. So my hands are tied to respond to you fully.

                        But just let me point out that NONE of the "laughers" have actually PRODUCED a shred of actual EVIDENCE from The Greek website proving that players are advised IN ADVANCE that they MUST do a 1x rollover before a withdrawal is allowed.

                        So far, everything that's been written is simply personal emotion. That doesn't cut it. Where are the facts?

                        What I "should feel"...yada, yada, yada... doesn't change the FACTS. BigBoy...I'm really not interested in feeling anything, I just want my cash.

                        The facts...remember them?... are that The Greek does NOT have anything on their website warning that transfers are subject to a 1x rollover. And to require one (- which I admit - is rather tame)...without warning is NEVERTHELESS DISHONEST.

                        So I appreciate your ability to judge what is comical and what is not. But actually, what I find sincerely comical is that...so far...no one has come forward with anything other than attitude. PRODUCE THE PROOF!

                        I don't believe you can....
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                        • Shazer
                          SBR Rookie
                          • 07-02-07
                          • 40

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Justin7
                          Without 1x rollover on book to book transfers, Sportsbooks would become money laundering tools. They are already close to this, so you can't fault them for making criminal activities a bit harder.
                          You know, normally...when you write LOL...you're really just thinking it. But I swear this was an actual LOL moment.

                          Yes Justin7...If I remember correctly, all the major sportsbooks recently had a convention to establish how they could toughen up their standards to prevent criminal activities. OMG!
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                          • Shazer
                            SBR Rookie
                            • 07-02-07
                            • 40

                            #14
                            Originally posted by MOONCRICKET
                            I'm Not Proud To Say That Ive Done Time- But, Hey, Ive Done Some Time - And When You Get Processed One Of The Many Things That Are Required Of AN INMATE Is To "bend Over And Cough". Apparently This Gives The Man A Birds Eye View Into Your Innards To Assess Whether Or Not You May Have "suitcased" Some Contraband.
                            One in a million actually got it...
                            Right on, Mooncricket!
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                            • DukeJohn
                              SBR MVP
                              • 12-29-07
                              • 1779

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Shazer
                              Well...actually there's a part of this story that I'm sworn not to tell. So my hands are tied to respond to you fully.

                              But just let me point out that NONE of the "laughers" have actually PRODUCED a shred of actual EVIDENCE from The Greek website proving that players are advised IN ADVANCE that they MUST do a 1x rollover before a withdrawal is allowed.

                              So far, everything that's been written is simply personal emotion. That doesn't cut it. Where are the facts?

                              What I "should feel"...yada, yada, yada... doesn't change the FACTS. BigBoy...I'm really not interested in feeling anything, I just want my cash.

                              The facts...remember them?... are that The Greek does NOT have anything on their website warning that transfers are subject to a 1x rollover. And to require one (- which I admit - is rather tame)...without warning is NEVERTHELESS DISHONEST.

                              So I appreciate your ability to judge what is comical and what is not. But actually, what I find sincerely comical is that...so far...no one has come forward with anything other than attitude. PRODUCE THE PROOF!

                              I don't believe you can....
                              Does The Greek even list book to book transfers as a way to deposit on their site?
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                              • Shazer
                                SBR Rookie
                                • 07-02-07
                                • 40

                                #16
                                Originally posted by DukeJohn
                                Does The Greek even list book to book transfers as a way to deposit on their site?
                                They have a paragraph on their website. It was cut and pasted into this thread and can be read in the original diatribe under the section entitled "Nightmare On Sportsbook Street".
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                                • HedgeHog
                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                  • 09-11-07
                                  • 10128

                                  #17
                                  [QUOTE=Shazer;668517]PS...NOTHING is a big deal if it's up front. There isn't anything on The Greek website to justify it.[/QUOTe

                                  Why transfer in the first place unless you plan to bet there? Were you hoping to transfer and collect because the payouts were cheaper there? Why would a book want to do this for you? Sounds like you're asking them to "bend over and cough?."
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                                  • Shazer
                                    SBR Rookie
                                    • 07-02-07
                                    • 40

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by HedgeHog
                                    Why transfer in the first place unless you plan to bet there? Were you hoping to transfer and collect because the payouts were cheaper there? Why would a book want to do this for you?
                                    Well you raise several good points...

                                    1) I already had money there. Currently have money there...did and do plan to continue wagering there.

                                    2) Yes, I was hoping for something. Unfortunately, I am sworn not to say. So I can only reveal that I thought it would be in my best interest to deal with The Greek rather than WSEX.

                                    3) Despite what people say...people actually do whatever they believe is in their best interest. Books are run by people. Do the math.

                                    **************************************** *********

                                    Once again, avoidance of the issue that there is NO stipulation on The Greek website stating a 1x rollover must be done before withdrawal of funds.

                                    You can emotionalize about whether it's "fair"...whatever.
                                    But, so far...no one has defended The Greek with EVIDENCE.

                                    PS...I Love The Greek and their customer service is the best I've ever experienced.
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                                    • bettilimbroke999
                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                      • 02-04-08
                                      • 13254

                                      #19
                                      The Greek is not a payout method, if you try to use them as a payout method you will have to rollover the transfer 1x get used to it dummy. Otherwise just let them transfer it back to WSEX and process your payout through them, you have absolutely no reason to be upset, your only possible complaint would be that the Greek is not the Neteller for all the other books that you thought it was.
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                                      • Shazer
                                        SBR Rookie
                                        • 07-02-07
                                        • 40

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by bettilimbroke999
                                        The Greek is not a payout method, if you try to use them as a payout method you will have to rollover the transfer 1x get used to it dummy. Otherwise just let them transfer it back to WSEX and process your payout through them, you have absolutely no reason to be upset, your only possible complaint would be that the Greek is not the Neteller for all the other books that you thought it was.
                                        Based on your answer...I understand why you've picked that username.

                                        As is the case in all the other shoot-from-the-hip opinions...you've got NOTHING to back up your response with. So -no doubt- you go broke all the time.

                                        [Point of reference: I place at least three wagers a day, almost every day of the NBA and MLB seasons and haven't made a deposit of my own capital since July of last year. So, as far as I'm concerned...(since you want to do some name-calling)...I have ZERO respect for LOSERS like yourself.]

                                        If The Greek requires a 1X rollover...that should be clearly stated on their website...PERIOD. You lame-brained pussies (like that?) have desperately tried to shift the debate to whether a 1X rollover is reasonable.

                                        I know this is asking a lot of any person, especially if you're an American...but...for one brief moment...try to use the Big head instead of the little head....

                                        The debate is whether sportsbooks (or the US government for that matter) should be allowed to fabricate rules out of thin air.

                                        Apparently, you're from a red state...where the zombies gather around a campfire at midnight and chant..."My government...right or wrong"..."My sportsbook...right or wrong!"

                                        Personally, I prefer to support governments and my sportsbooks whenever they're right. On the other hand, I believe that governmental arrogance is wrong and sportsbook bullsh*t is also wrong and I can't support that.

                                        If a sportsbook cannot produce the rule on their website that they are enforcing...then they're bullsh*tting...period.

                                        And since YOU have defended The Greek with NOTHING but your overextended opinion and ZERO facts...

                                        LOSER...you're a bullsh*tter as well.

                                        PS...I love The Greek and as I write this...I'm winning there tonight. I'm just sick of the venal greed of corporations. Like...they're just not making enough money...yeah...right.
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                                        • SBR Lou
                                          BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                          • 08-02-07
                                          • 37863

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by Shazer
                                          The debate is whether sportsbooks (or the US government for that matter) should be allowed to fabricate rules out of thin air.
                                          Books don't appreciate being used as banking tools...

                                          That's how money laundering takes place also. Why would they want to take a transfer and then use up their processing resources to issue you a payout when you've not given them any action on the transferred funds..?

                                          I'm not sure what part of a 1x rollover is confusing/infuriating you. Have you never completed a b2b before..?
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                                          • durito
                                            SBR Posting Legend
                                            • 07-03-06
                                            • 13173

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by durito
                                            You should probably stop gambling.
                                            .
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                                            • Shazer
                                              SBR Rookie
                                              • 07-02-07
                                              • 40

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by crazyl
                                              Books don't appreciate being used as banking tools...
                                              Really? Why not? If you're actually a long-term winner then the sportsbook is exactly that. So I don't know if you realize it..but you're arguing in favor of self-destruction for the benefit of the sportsbooks. Which is not MY motivation for sportsbetting...although I would gladly defend your right to make it YOURS.


                                              That's how money laundering takes place also.
                                              You leave me no other choice...

                                              Why would they want to take a transfer and then use up their processing resources to issue you a payout when you've not given them any action on the transferred funds..?
                                              You're right..it would require some brains and that's asking a LOT these days. But the fact is I am a LONG TIME regular...by the end of the MLB season I will have wagered close to middle five-figures. And there's no end in sight for that.

                                              It's smart business to do small favors for good customers. Americans used to do that all the time. Now it's strictly cut and dry bean-counting, which...IMHO...is lame. What is the actual overall handle on a sportbetting operation..do you know?

                                              I'll bet it's a LOT higher than you imagine.
                                              So we're not asking these guys for the shirts off their backs, by any means.


                                              I'm not sure what part of a 1x rollover is confusing/infuriating you. Have you never completed a b2b before..?

                                              I am neither "confused" or "infuriated" (why do I suddenly feel like Barack talking to Hillary?)...we're talking about principle here.

                                              So I challenge you...
                                              Answer the following question with a simple "Yes" or "No"...no extra BS in your answer...

                                              Q: You do feel that sportsbettors should be subject to and that sportsbooks should be allowed to enforce unwritten policies?

                                              A simple "Yes" or "No".
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                                              • Shazer
                                                SBR Rookie
                                                • 07-02-07
                                                • 40

                                                #24
                                                Typical American Bureaucatic PC Reply

                                                Originally posted by durito
                                                You should probably stop gambling.

                                                Lacks creativity.
                                                But you're wonderfully consistent!
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                                                • durito
                                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                                  • 07-03-06
                                                  • 13173

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by Shazer


                                                  by the end of the MLB season I will have wagered close to middle five-figures.


                                                  that's peanuts to a book like the greek

                                                  the rule is universal and completely justified. try and do this: find one legitimate sports gambler that agrees with you.
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                                                  • twtb19
                                                    SBR Wise Guy
                                                    • 12-08-07
                                                    • 553

                                                    #26
                                                    This thread has proved to me something that I knew already...lawyers can argue anything. You are trying to worm your way through a legal technicality based on the word "may" in the sentence they used on the website. I don't even really transfer between books and knew if I did it would require a 1x rollover.

                                                    You are just arguing to argue at this point. Is this thread supposed to be based on the Greek which hasn't seemed to do anything wrong or WSEX which I can understand if you are upset about payout issues after requesting them and waiting.
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                                                    • Shazer
                                                      SBR Rookie
                                                      • 07-02-07
                                                      • 40

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by durito
                                                      that's peanuts to a book like the greek
                                                      I can appreciate that you have a taste for peanuts. And that doesn't surprise me in the least.

                                                      Originally posted by durito
                                                      the rule is universal and completely justified.
                                                      I just love it when people talk out their rear...
                                                      Really?..."Universal"...hmm...an interesting lesson in physics.
                                                      Apparently, the universe stops just short of their website and then continues on the other side of it. Because the rule is not on their site.

                                                      Or do you mean..."universally understood"?
                                                      In which case, I didn't know I was required to be a mind-reader as well as a sportsbettor.

                                                      And "completely justified"
                                                      A little bit of sanity, my friend... that phrase is merely a qualitative expression based on your own (for all we know, warped) personal opinion and has NO BASIS IN FACT.

                                                      "Justified"? Have you dived off the short end of the pool or what.... King Dorito, the chip master, has spoken.

                                                      "Justified" is TOTALLY in the eyes of the beholder.
                                                      In America they used to lynch black people because it was "justified"...at least as far as white people were concerned.

                                                      So don't EVER try to pull that sh*t.
                                                      Otherwise, I might be forced to fly over to your place and beat the living crap out of you. Because...after all...you had it coming. I mean...you know...it was JUSTIFIED.

                                                      Originally posted by durito
                                                      try and do this: find one legitimate sports gambler that agrees with you.
                                                      I don't give a damn if anyone agrees with me. It wasn't that long ago that people used to say the world was flat. Just because a majority of people think something...means absolutely NOTHING.

                                                      A majority of people are going to LOSE this MLB season.
                                                      SO MUCH FOR YOUR MAJORITY OPINION!

                                                      Here's what I think...(since you're so heavy into opinion rather than fact).
                                                      I think a majority of PROFESSIONAL sportsbettors would agree that sportsbooks have an obligation to inform their patrons of all requirements and house rules BEFOREHAND. And no matter what the logic or circumstances...even if the rule "seems right"...if the rule is not on the website and stated up front, it is an abuse to enforce such a rule.

                                                      Once they place it on the website...that's a different matter.

                                                      The person you should be bellyaching to is the webmaster not me.

                                                      Wake up sleepyhead!
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                                                      • durito
                                                        SBR Posting Legend
                                                        • 07-03-06
                                                        • 13173

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by Shazer
                                                        I think a majority of PROFESSIONAL sportsbettors would agree that sportsbooks have an obligation to inform their patrons of all requirements and house rules BEFOREHAND.
                                                        There's a couple pro's posting in this thread. You and you're mid five figures of bets at the greek lifetime don't count.
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                                                        • Shazer
                                                          SBR Rookie
                                                          • 07-02-07
                                                          • 40

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by twtb19
                                                          You are trying to worm your way through a legal technicality based on the word "may" in the sentence they used on the website.
                                                          FINALLY...someone who at least is attempting to address the facts.

                                                          Now as to your point...
                                                          No, I don't care about the "may"...although it strengthens and reinforces the argument.

                                                          The first part of the paragraph says (and I quote)..."If entire deposit amount(s) are not placed on wagers at least once, any transfer charges associated with the deposit amount(s) will be deducted from the account prior to the withdrawal..."

                                                          WHAT "withdrawal"?

                                                          That phrase only makes sense (on earth)...if the withdrawal spoken of is a relatively immediate one.

                                                          Otherwise, if the 1X rollover is made THE TRANSFER FEES WOULD NOT APPLY...so then why is the deduction of transfer fees even mentioned?

                                                          Originally posted by twtb19
                                                          You are just arguing to argue at this point.
                                                          Opps...now you've slipped from logic to mind-reading.

                                                          All I'm doing is maintaining sanity and seeing if anyone can match it. IMHO, you've come the closest so far.

                                                          Perhaps they mis-wrote it. If so...that's their problem. Just like when I make a bad wager it's my problem. Things have to swing both ways.

                                                          There is only one logical way to interpret that paragraph...
                                                          "If you withdraw your funds before a 1X rollover...we're gonna penalize you with transfer fees. We also have this "may" phrase which follows...so depending on how we feel that day, we may hit you up for additional fees that we make up on the spot and that's our right."

                                                          Originally posted by twtb19
                                                          Is this thread supposed to be based on the Greek which hasn't seemed to do anything wrong or WSEX which I can understand if you are upset about payout issues after requesting them and waiting.
                                                          So to answer your question, it's really my observation on how crazy it can all get. Anybody along the way could have stopped the snowball...including myself. (Hey, I'm willing to take my share of the responsibility).

                                                          I was prepared to meet WSEX's 2X rollover...AND DID.
                                                          They say that the inflation to 10X was an accident. Perhaps it was...I don't actually have an opinion on that. The fact is that I perfer WSEX's numbers to The Greek. But The Greek customer service responds to my emails right away (usually within the hour) whereas WSEX shined me on for days. So they lost me there.

                                                          When I asked for a transfer back to The Greek, it was because - based on how WSEX had treated me thus far and comments made in the forum - I frankly didn't trust them to send the money in a timely manner.

                                                          Based on my previous experience with The Greek and the aforementioned paragraph, I was prepared to be hit with a fee for early withdrawal and possibly even an additional hidden fee covered by the "may" clause. Which I would have just had to grin and bear.

                                                          What I wasn't prepared for was an unconditional 1x rollover requirement because that's not what the paragraph says. Try to find the words "unconditional rollover" or "manditory 1x rollover"..."1x rollover is required"...it ain't in there.

                                                          And considering that I was only withdrawing a PORTION of my bankroll and that even after the withdraw...my balance would have risen by 22%, it seemed like...considering they were going to pocket at least one and possibly two fees...that The Greek would have been making out OK. Certainly they weren't going to lose on the deal.

                                                          Personally, I think the whole thing's ridiculous. Because I just won tonight. And I'm gonna wager more and more money as time goes by.

                                                          One respondent said that my contribution was "just peanuts." But elephant thrive on peanuts, so that comment is out of touch.

                                                          I just think the whole thing is a reflection on how crazy life can get when people substitute short-term subjective unwritten policy for good long-term business sense.
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                                                          • Shazer
                                                            SBR Rookie
                                                            • 07-02-07
                                                            • 40

                                                            #30
                                                            Apparently clueless and proud of it...

                                                            Originally posted by durito
                                                            There's a couple pro's posting in this thread. You and you're mid five figures of bets at the greek lifetime don't count.
                                                            Just so you know...
                                                            I maintain sporadic contact with professionals and am proud to say that at one time in my life was briefly mentored by Bob McCune.

                                                            And what I can tell you from experience is that pros don't tell people that they "don't count". Wannabes suffering from inferiority complexes talk like that.

                                                            Secondly, since you know it all...would you please inform The Greek that the 100K I wager there by this same time next year does not matter. And that - since it doesn't - they should just give my losses back to me...
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                                                            • bettilimbroke999
                                                              SBR Posting Legend
                                                              • 02-04-08
                                                              • 13254

                                                              #31
                                                              Dude get a life, you are such a fukin lifetime winner that you are having a fukin shit fit over a fukin 400 payout that you need to pay off some dude you borrowed from to bet with (can you say fukin barrelledin), books are not banks it is not up to the greek to accept the 400 WSEX owes you so some 10 dollar betting retard that thinks he's a fukin whale can get a faster payout, they are in business souly for the purpose of booking bets and that is the only reason why they accept deposits. They ONLY process payouts for their CUSTOMERS not ppl looking for faster payouts from other books, use your pea brain and realize that. If you hated WSEX so much you should've deposited and done your wagering at the Greek in the first place, failing that just roll the fukin 400 over since you are such a lifetime winner betting 2000 a week it should only take ya a couple days and then cash out and quit pissin your pants. Meanwhile I hope that guy that lent ya money tells everyone what a broke ass degenerate you are that can't come up with 400 bucks since your total net worth of 400 is tied up at the greek.
                                                              Last edited by bettilimbroke999; 04-22-08, 01:08 AM.
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                                                              • idontlikerocks
                                                                SBR Wise Guy
                                                                • 10-09-07
                                                                • 571

                                                                #32
                                                                if you have to borrow 400 dollars from a friend then you shouldnt be gambling. perhaps the books wouldn't charge me so much for a withdrawal if they didn't have to deal with bettors such as yourself.
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                                                                • Santo
                                                                  SBR MVP
                                                                  • 09-08-05
                                                                  • 2957

                                                                  #33
                                                                  The problem is that you can't define transaction fees on a book to book transfer. The clause is there to deal with traditional deposit methods, where you would have to cover the deposit fee and the cost of sending the withdrawal if you want to get a cash out before the funds are bet through once.

                                                                  I do agree though that they should add a rule that specifically applies to book to book transfers. For the regular player, they are a fairly recent phenomenon; in the Neteller era they were really only used be the professional players with too much respect for the book and the need to preserve a relationship with them to pull a stunt like you tried.
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                                                                  • beetman
                                                                    SBR High Roller
                                                                    • 05-31-06
                                                                    • 220

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by Shazer
                                                                    Just so you know...
                                                                    I maintain sporadic contact with professionals and am proud to say that at one time in my life was briefly mentored by Bob McCune.
                                                                    From what I've read of his writing I wouldn't be proud to mention an association with him. He touts similar bet progression methods (i.e. "sopping up the juice") as any other forum idiot that's discovered the martingale system.
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                                                                    • beetman
                                                                      SBR High Roller
                                                                      • 05-31-06
                                                                      • 220

                                                                      #35
                                                                      I wish that my worst "sportsbook nightmare" involved a 1x rollover after making a book to book transfer.
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