10 Reasons Why You Should Not Use Bookmaker

tommygun · 01-10-11, 07:37 AM

nice pics though

Salamander · 01-10-11, 07:44 AM

Reason 1 - Agree and hate the slowness
Reasons 2 through 9 - oh well, their business model.
Reason 10 - Horrific, disgusting, absurd etc....does not come under the "oh well their business model" banner. It's just a fukkin rip-off, rip-off, rip-off, unforgivable.

kylehen_son · 01-10-11, 07:59 AM

handball? lmao

bookmaker has been solid with me, sounds like you're bitter

Sawyer · 01-10-11, 08:06 AM

Do you know the future of betting?

There won't be any sportsbooks. That's right. There will be only exchanges like Betfair and Matchbook. Many books will convert to Betting Exchanges. So we will be able to bet -101, +100. Exchange will take its comission (%1 or %2) and they will guarantee their profit as well. Then we will tell our grandsons, We used to bet on -110 lines. They will ask, surprised, Whoa! Grandfather, you were crazy? LoL.

Mudcat · 01-10-11, 08:18 AM

Originally posted by Salamander

Reason 1 - Agree and hate the slowness
Reasons 2 through 9 - oh well, their business model.
Reason 10 - Horrific, disgusting, absurd etc....does not come under the "oh well their business model" banner. It's just a fukkin rip-off, rip-off, rip-off, unforgivable.

I would also classify reason 10 as part of their business model. Like many books, Bookmaker is just not a smart place to go if book-to-book transfers are your priority.

I don't think of their website as being unusually slow either. It's adequate.

I have been dealing with them on and off for ~10 years and I have seen a lot in the industry, and Bookmaker/CRIS has been one of the good guys.

Legions36 · 01-10-11, 01:04 PM

Originally posted by Sawyer

Do you know the future of betting?

There won't be any sportsbooks. That's right. There will be only exchanges like Betfair and Matchbook. Many books will convert to Betting Exchanges. So we will be able to bet -101, +100. Exchange will take its comission (%1 or %2) and they will guarantee their profit as well. Then we will tell our grandsons, We used to bet on -110 lines. They will ask, surprised, Whoa! Grandfather, you were crazy? LoL.

You have a funny way of putting life all together, he even brings in his grandchildren and how they will be talking to each other.

Legions36 · 01-10-11, 01:09 PM

Again here we go with people mashing the A books, the nerve of some people complaing about people that pay everyone all the time. Do you not have anything else to say than some things you dont like about A books, next thing evryone will here is "OMG can you believe Bookmaker payed me 1day later than they said, I waited so long that day and im just so pissed". Please get a life as to not start threads about A books

TomG · 01-10-11, 01:36 PM

In the future, your priorities may change along with your opinion of Bookmaker

bigugly · 01-10-11, 01:46 PM

Originally posted by TomG

In the future, your priorities may change along with your opinion of Bookmaker

greg66 · 01-10-11, 01:48 PM

Originally posted by Legions36

Again here we go with people mashing the A books, the nerve of some people complaing about people that pay everyone all the time. Do you not have anything else to say than some things you dont like about A books, next thing evryone will here is "OMG can you believe Bookmaker payed me 1day later than they said, I waited so long that day and im just so pissed". Please get a life as to not start threads about A books

I think it is a fair subject. How many "A" books have gone under or had problems in past years when their "business model" led them down the wrong path.

Criticizing exactly what we do not like about their "business model" at least allows them to get feedback from an open discussion forum. It also allows us to work as a group in an attempt to bring about change to the things we don't like by exercising our right to play somewhere else.

Fine they pay ... and that is 100% the #1 priority for a sportsbook. BUT if their odds, offerings and fees do not at least give you a CHANCE to win anything... what is the point.

They seem to be doing quite a bit to increase action and deposits. From multiple reward points, higher bonuses, frequent emails and calls. Why don't they try to correct a few of the issues mentioned here.

Dark Horse · 01-10-11, 07:00 PM

They're dinosaurs on their way to extinction, victims of their own inflexibility unless they adept. They'd rather increase fees and offer outrageous lines than wake up and smell the coffee. They stood still while the world around them evolved.

Legions36 · 01-10-11, 07:10 PM

Originally posted by greg66

I think it is a fair subject. How many "A" books have gone under or had problems in past years when their "business model" led them down the wrong path.

Criticizing exactly what we do not like about their "business model" at least allows them to get feedback from an open discussion forum. It also allows us to work as a group in an attempt to bring about change to the things we don't like by exercising our right to play somewhere else.

Fine they pay ... and that is 100% the #1 priority for a sportsbook. BUT if their odds, offerings and fees do not at least give you a CHANCE to win anything... what is the point.

They seem to be doing quite a bit to increase action and deposits. From multiple reward points, higher bonuses, frequent emails and calls. Why don't they try to correct a few of the issues mentioned here.

Well to me i would have to say thats how they run there business. Also why complain if you dont like anything that you just said i would have to say don't play there then right. Also why not just go to the source and give them some feedback instead of come on this forum which probably wont tell them anything. Can i ask you a question do you think these companys will make it easy for you to beat them, if they did how could they stay in business right. All i have to say is i keep hearing the same stuff over and over just go to the source and tell them what you dont like. For me they pay all there customers you could have any amount in there and know your money is safe, so for me i concider this a great book just like SBR does A+ if im correct and there recommended by SBR and by me for that matter. So i have this question why complain about them or any other great books that pay?

Spanks · 01-10-11, 08:53 PM

been with them for a long time...never given any type of holiday bonus...ever...and they refuse to put up totals on CBB game unless its televised which is just a con artist way of saying they get hurt and why offer them...they are high on all their lines on all fn sports and their dog lines are just as bad...only thing that can be said is they payout...big fn deal...isnt that what a normal person would want...play at a book that pays...I smell a pantload...costa-rican style...

Legions36 · 01-10-11, 10:05 PM

Originally posted by Spanks

been with them for a long time...never given any type of holiday bonus...ever...and they refuse to put up totals on CBB game unless its televised which is just a con artist way of saying they get hurt and why offer them...they are high on all their lines on all fn sports and their dog lines are just as bad...only thing that can be said is they payout...big fn deal...isnt that what a normal person would want...play at a book that pays...I smell a pantload...costa-rican style...

Umm no bonus huh, so what are those bet points there not bonus points right and you don't get freeplays for them, free payouts, free plane tickets,etc. you should check it out also it depends on your status and they give you better deals on that. Plus i think if you ask them about bonuses they will give you something and they do have reloads. I think i said enough here plus there poker room is full of donkeys just giving away money there, well if you can play poker good no way to lose.
Oh and if you don't like something about one book well thats why you use multiple books that way all of your needs are met. LOL thats all he has on this book they don't give him a holiday bonus so funny, I could care less if a book gives me a holiday bonus or not, seems to me is that the losing betters cry about this alot in this forum. So many threads come christmas time about how there book didn't give them there gift under there tree. I almost forgot the most important thing THEY PAY EVERYONE

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greg66 · 01-10-11, 10:33 PM

Originally posted by Legions36

Well to me i would have to say thats how they run there business. Also why complain if you dont like anything that you just said i would have to say don't play there then right. Also why not just go to the source and give them some feedback instead of come on this forum which probably wont tell them anything. Can i ask you a question do you think these companys will make it easy for you to beat them, if they did how could they stay in business right. All i have to say is i keep hearing the same stuff over and over just go to the source and tell them what you dont like. For me they pay all there customers you could have any amount in there and know your money is safe, so for me i concider this a great book just like SBR does A+ if im correct and there recommended by SBR and by me for that matter. So i have this question why complain about them or any other great books that pay?

Why here? Because they do in fact read these forums and do care about what is said about them. I along with many others have complained directly and have stopped using them. However posting in these forums often reaches people that direct complaints never do. My complaints have been fair and hopefully constructive. I do not expect them to change based on these comments but maybe it will give certain people in the company an understanding of what their long term customers are thinking.

Believe me I have played there almost 15 years and I really enjoyed playing there. I would love to continue but I cannot given the way they run their book these days. BTW I am not a long term winner there but I am smart enough not to play into bad lines.

I do not expect them to make things easy to beat them. However I do expect the "place where the line originates" a sportsbook that perceives itself as a leader to at least deal a fair line. The state lottery pays too ... but I don't do that either.

Personally I don't think they will remain an A+ book long term with their current business model. There simply is not enough volume in extremely square players and it is getting increasingly difficult to recruit rec players. What really confuses me is this ... for years they battled with Pinnacle to be the #1 sportsbook for the US Market. Then when Pinnacle withdraws and they have a huge opportunity to exploit the void they start morphing into this BOS type of sportsbook. Very confusing.

Anyway I do understand your point and there are some great things still at BM/CRIS. There are other books that are much worse out there but I don't and have not played there. I was in fact a very loyal BM customer and as a former long term customer I think I have as much right to express my comments as they have to run their business.

FourLengthsClear · 01-11-11, 06:57 AM

I have had an account for about 4 years during which time I have placed a grand total of 7 bets.

I accept that they are rock solid but the OP raises valid points.

hustla · 01-11-11, 07:16 AM

using DSI, same shit

HedgeHog · 01-11-11, 07:33 AM

Their 20 cent lines and heavy transfer fees are a big turn-off. I use them mainly for props now, finding some gems here and there.

Richards · 01-11-11, 08:20 AM

Originally posted by Legions36

Well to me i would have to say thats how they run there business. Also why complain if you dont like anything that you just said i would have to say don't play there then right. Also why not just go to the source and give them some feedback instead of come on this forum which probably wont tell them anything.

I would probably agree with you if this site was called 51%WinningHandicappers dot com or DegenerateGamblers dot com but as it stands we are discussing this topic at SportsBookReview.com

Legions36 · 01-11-11, 05:40 PM

Originally posted by greg66

Why here? Because they do in fact read these forums and do care about what is said about them. I along with many others have complained directly and have stopped using them. However posting in these forums often reaches people that direct complaints never do. My complaints have been fair and hopefully constructive. I do not expect them to change based on these comments but maybe it will give certain people in the company an understanding of what their long term customers are thinking.

Believe me I have played there almost 15 years and I really enjoyed playing there. I would love to continue but I cannot given the way they run their book these days. BTW I am not a long term winner there but I am smart enough not to play into bad lines.

I do not expect them to make things easy to beat them. However I do expect the "place where the line originates" a sportsbook that perceives itself as a leader to at least deal a fair line. The state lottery pays too ... but I don't do that either.

Personally I don't think they will remain an A+ book long term with their current business model. There simply is not enough volume in extremely square players and it is getting increasingly difficult to recruit rec players. What really confuses me is this ... for years they battled with Pinnacle to be the #1 sportsbook for the US Market. Then when Pinnacle withdraws and they have a huge opportunity to exploit the void they start morphing into this BOS type of sportsbook. Very confusing.

Anyway I do understand your point and there are some great things still at BM/CRIS. There are other books that are much worse out there but I don't and have not played there. I was in fact a very loyal BM customer and as a former long term customer I think I have as much right to express my comments as they have to run their business.

Why do you say that they wont remain an A+ they have been like this for years, why would it change now cause some customers dont like there lines, i dont think so.
But this is were everyone has me wrong, you think that all what im saying has to do with Bookmaker it doesn't it has do do with the top A SBR rated books that people keep on mashing here and thats what im sticking up for not just Bookmaker. Look threw the threads you will see people complain about all of them and i don't agree with that. Dude that makes this thread top 10 reasons why someone shouldn't play at Bookmaker,just plain rediculous. Also if 1 book doesn't fit your needs then move to another, well for me there is no 1 book that can fit my needs. You guys dont realize how important it is to get that 1/2 point and better juice, do you know how much that adds up by the end of the year.

Legions36 · 01-11-11, 05:49 PM

Sorry guys if im being blunt but come on complain about dimelines or something that cancelled wagers for a living not the A books. Also even it is only 10 or maybe 100 bets throughout the year that bookmaker has like a 1/2 point or whatever and every other book had it listed higher it still is a big time edge by having this even if its only a few times, when the game falls on the line everywhere else it would be a winner for you. Well thats the way i look at things, i like to shop around.

greg66 · 01-11-11, 08:10 PM

Originally posted by Legions36

Why do you say that they wont remain an A+ they have been like this for years, why would it change now cause some customers dont like there lines, i dont think so.

That is not true. This trend toward limited offerings and progressively worse lines started a couple of years ago and is getting worse. They are not what they once were.

Legions36 · 01-11-11, 09:36 PM

Originally posted by greg66

That is not true. This trend toward limited offerings and progressively worse lines started a couple of years ago and is getting worse. They are not what they once were.

All i can say then is don't use them. If you don't mind how many books do you use?? Also as i said before do not use them as your only out have multiple outs thats the best chance you have at beating these books.

Masu485 · 01-11-11, 09:42 PM

For Reason 10:

They probably don't want people just using their site as a bridge to other sites they have trouble depositing to directly.