I Just Joined BETGUARDIAN & IASBET, any info you can give me

LGBoots · 12-08-10, 12:08 PM

I think IAS are now owned by Irish Bookie Paddy Power. Safe book but with Paddy in charge you will be limited fast

Monte · 12-08-10, 12:09 PM

yes, pick something else...
and i disagree with LG, iasbet is *not* safe anymore. Far from it.

DwightShrute · 12-08-10, 12:38 PM

BetGuardian is a real solid book. They are one of the oldest sportsbooks and have an great bonus IMO. I know guys that have been playing there for over 10 years and someone of my biggest clients play there.

You can take a bonus and cashout winnings at anytime. One free payout every month and good limits on baskets and football.

Never heard of IASBET

tachi · 12-08-10, 01:29 PM

IASbet will require CERTIFIED COPIES of passport,bank statement,utility bill,credit card...

This means the copies must be signed and stamped by an independent person:
Council worker, bank employee, insurance employee, nurse, doctor, dentist, pharmacist, vet, judge, magistrate, lawyer, a government employee, a tax agent, an accountant, director of a corporation, an employee of any regulatory body, a police officer, Justice of the Peace or teacher.

BChrisB · 12-08-10, 02:26 PM

Originally posted by tachi

IASbet will require CERTIFIED COPIES of passport,bank statement,utility bill,credit card...

This means the copies must be signed and stamped by an independent person:
Council worker, bank employee, insurance employee, nurse, doctor, dentist, pharmacist, vet, judge, magistrate, lawyer, a government employee, a tax agent, an accountant, director of a corporation, an employee of any regulatory body, a police officer, Justice of the Peace or teacher.

What???? How do they get anyone to play there??? "Hey Doc, thanks for the check-up, now can you please verify and sign this so I can go gamble?" Better yet, "Yes your honor, I plead innocent, now if you have a moment to look at these forms so I can gamble...?"

Am I reading this correctly?

Hareeba! · 12-08-10, 02:43 PM

What attracted you to those two books?

I know nothing about BetGuardian but plenty about IAS as I've been playing there almost since they opened their doors.

First thing to understand is that they are an Australian book and thus subject to strict regulation. Australian books are amongst the safest in the world. They will not get away with scamming and you won't lose your money. The price of that security is having to abide with the laws under which these books operate which includes strict ID requirements. IAS don't ask for that just for their own benefit. It is a greater inconvenience and cost to them than to you. What's the big deal about getting someone on the long list of acceptable professions to certify your document? Surely everyone has a compliant friend or relative who would do it for them.

IAS was started by entrepreneurial bookmaker, Mark Read and has been Australia's leading online race bookmaker for a long time. Their sportsbook was also very useful too until Paddy Power took over about a year ago. Since then they have adopted the horrendous European severe limiting policy and are now no longer worthwhile me maintaining an account with. I do however keep the account for racing where they are still well worthwhile. So if you joined for racing okay, but if for sports, you may as well have gone with Paddy Power or any of the other gutless Euro books.

Hareeba! · 12-08-10, 02:46 PM

Originally posted by BChrisB

What???? How do they get anyone to play there??? "Hey Doc, thanks for the check-up, now can you please verify and sign this so I can go gamble?" Better yet, "Yes your honor, I plead innocent, now if you have a moment to look at these forms so I can gamble...?"

Am I reading this correctly?

just find a compliant friend on the list to certify it for you
you don't need to even tell them why you need it

BChrisB · 12-08-10, 02:51 PM

BetGuardian is tradewinds. Good Solid Book

Hareeba! · 12-08-10, 06:23 PM

It seems as though Mark Read has resurfaced as Readbet.com.under his niece, Katheryn's licence. Currently only operating on racing but the sportsbook is soon to be launched and claims that it will be offering 'some of the highest limits on the internet'.

If that proves to be true it should be an excellent book to have an account with.

Chopsticks · 12-08-10, 06:26 PM

IASbet is great. I think it is random if they want certified copies or not. I know someone who opened an account there recently and they did not have to go through that bullcrap.

Hareeba! · 12-08-10, 06:37 PM

Originally posted by Chopsticks

IASbet is great. I think it is random if they want certified copies or not. I know someone who opened an account there recently and they did not have to go through that bullcrap.

No. It wouldn't be random. The LAW says that it must be done within a certain time period, I think 3 months and prior to a withdrawal. Your friend may have just slipped through a crack but most probably that will be only temporary.

goucla · 12-08-10, 06:55 PM

i hate all the bullshit inlvolved, i wish vegas would take bets via fedex

Hareeba! · 12-08-10, 07:19 PM

Originally posted by goucla

i hate all the bullshit inlvolved, i wish vegas would take bets via fedex

"all the bullshit" is far preferable to what can happen to you if dealing with books in unregulated jurisdictions

Chopsticks · 12-08-10, 07:24 PM

Originally posted by Hareeba!

No. It wouldn't be random. The LAW says that it must be done within a certain time period, I think 3 months and prior to a withdrawal. Your friend may have just slipped through a crack but most probably that will be only temporary.

Trust me. It seems quite random and it is certainly no temporary thing. Some aussie books are nice about it like IAS, sportsbet, sportsalive, sportingbet au, sportsbetting au, whereas luxbet and betfair aussie wallet would always want certified id. IASbet has been a bit in between and not everyone needs to provide the certified stuff.

I dont know if maybe aussies always have to provide certified id... that may very well be... but there is a distinction - hence why when I have received ID requests they have been titled like "INTERNATIONAL SPORTINGBET ID REQUIRED" and similarly from the request from sportsbet.com.au the e-mail was headed "International Customers". I don't think I have the iasbet e-mail as it was from 2008, but I never provided certified id to them. 100 points of ID was enough. Things may have changed since though... but not according to my friend's experience.

Maybe ias requests certified id from people who they believe are whores so to make it harder for them. Typically eastern european countries as well as UK people.

Hareeba! · 12-08-10, 08:33 PM

Originally posted by Chopsticks

I never provided certified id to them. 100 points of ID was enough. Things may have changed since though... but not according to my friend's experience.

that would be correct
I never had to provide a certified document to IAS because I opened my account with them many years ago when 100 points of ID was the rule
but I think it was about 12mths ago that that was thrown out and a certified document has been required for all new accounts since then

my money says your friend will be required to supply it within 3 months or when he attempts to make a withdrawal

Greekbet · 12-09-10, 01:45 PM

asbet is a Australian book,and as all Aussies they are going to ask you many copies certified from the local police!Maybe they ll ask a number to call them(police)!!!That s why i left away...

Hareeba! · 12-09-10, 03:05 PM

Originally posted by Greekbet

asbet is a Australian book,and as all Aussies they are going to ask you many copies certified from the local police!Maybe they ll ask a number to call them(police)!!!That s why i left away...

ignorant crap!

you don't need to have your certification done by the police
there is a very long list of acceptable certifiers other than police officers
almost everybody would have a friend or relative who could certify a document for them and they don't even need to know what it's for

Justin7 · 12-09-10, 03:37 PM

IASBet has gone down hill. I would not play there. They have mugged a few players for various reasons (one played CPs; a couple others received no explanation).

Play at your own risk.

Hareeba! · 12-09-10, 03:46 PM

Originally posted by Justin7

IASBet has gone down hill. I would not play there. They have mugged a few players for various reasons (one played CPs; a couple others received no explanation).

Play at your own risk.

anyone with a genuine grievance against IAS should be referring it to the NT regulators who I'm confident will give them a fair hearing including an explanation

being denied CPs is "mugging" ?

I have every confidence in playing with IAS although it is true they have gone downhill badly as a sportsbook thanks to that miserable Irish crowd, Paddy Power who have slashed limits to absurd levels, but their racing product is excellent and they remain a very safe and sound government regulated bookie. You will not be cheated there, but you do need to pay attention to their rules and ID requirements.

andy40au · 12-14-10, 10:42 PM

The simple question I have is, whats the problem with providing ID unless you have something to hide maybe? The Corporates in Australia are bound by federal law as a condition of licence to ask for it as pert of the Anti Money Laudering legislation. This requirement also protects you from someone else getting a withdrawal from your account if you choose to leave it unidentified. Its happened!!