Any challenger tennis experts?

Johnny 55 · 11-24-10, 11:31 AM

Not sure about weird odds but a book is asking for trouble when they offer odds on challenger matches, when you lose in the first round of these tournaments you receive only $500, wont even cover most peoples travel expenses. Shady stuff will always go down in these matches because players can easily dump and also a ton of guys will play even if they are hurt because they need the money.

noyb · 11-24-10, 01:43 PM

the book seems to be right about the game being taken down according to online odds archives. About 8 books offered the game, with dropping odds on Braun to about 4 - 4.5 before they in the end all took the game off the board completely. Sounds like a dodgy match, but I can't see how this could be a reason for a book not to pay the bet.

tomcowley · 11-24-10, 01:59 PM

Originally posted by Justin7

Was something odd happening with the match? The book and player don't agree on the odds right before it started. The book states that no odds were offered by anyone for the last half hour or so.

When the book's only defense is that through their own incompetence, somebody was able to bet a stale number......

Justin7 · 11-24-10, 02:00 PM

Originally posted by tomcowley

When the book's only defense is that through their own incompetence, somebody was able to bet a stale number......

This one isn't that simple...

Justin7 · 11-24-10, 02:01 PM

Originally posted by noyb

the book seems to be right about the game being taken down according to online odds archives. About 8 books offered the game, with dropping odds on Braun to about 4 - 4.5 before they in the end all took the game off the board completely. Sounds like a dodgy match, but I can't see how this could be a reason for a book not to pay the bet.

Do you have a link showing it being taken off the board? I'll make it worth your time

tomcowley · 11-24-10, 02:09 PM

Originally posted by Justin7

This one isn't that simple...

Odds were correct at some point they were posted. How is it relevant if the odds moved, the game OTB'd elsewhere, etc? If the odds weren't a bad line at some point they were up, and the bet isn't past-posted (or subject to some random tennis rule, which I doubt here), the book can pretty much suck it.

Justin7 · 11-24-10, 02:56 PM

Originally posted by tomcowley

Odds were correct at some point they were posted. How is it relevant if the odds moved, the game OTB'd elsewhere, etc? If the odds weren't a bad line at some point they were up, and the bet isn't past-posted (or subject to some random tennis rule, which I doubt here), the book can pretty much suck it.

Odds were taken down because the match was fixed. They were accidentally up after being down for hours, then taken down again almost immediately. Accidentally putting a line up when you intend to keep it down due to fixing... That is an obvious line error.

tomcowley · 11-24-10, 02:58 PM

Ok, then they weren't a good line at any point they were (back) up.

RogueScholar · 11-24-10, 04:41 PM

Justin, this shows the final odds offered at books before they pulled the match off the board:

http://www.oddsportal.com/tennis/kazakhstan/asta-2010/olaso-de-la-rica-guillermo-braun-danjil-434635/

It was certainly an upset, a player ranked near 250 getting beat handily by a player ranked outside the Top 500. That happens all the time in Challenger tournaments though, and books offering lines on such matches should keep their limits low enough to tolerate certain suspicious results as these. If they booked the bet, they should honor it, simple as that. If Will Hill was still offering 5.0 when they took it OTB, I don't see how they can cry foul, even if it was booked for whatever limit they were offering.

Justin7 · 11-25-10, 12:08 AM

Thanks Rogue. I tried to point you, but apparently your account won't let me send them.

The book had odds of about 5.0, took it down for awhile (an hour?) then accidentally put it up for 2 minutes at the old "good" odds. If it were a simple stale line that they didn't move, I'd agree they owe it.

skrtelfan · 11-25-10, 12:20 AM

Claiming that as a legitimate "bad line" is way too far down the slippery slope IMO. Tomorrow's New England line is -3.5 and Brady is questionable. If Brady is announced out at 8am tomorrow and I bet Detroit +3.5 at 9am, should the book have the right to cancel that Detroit bet as a "bad line?" I think that's pretty ridiculous, and injury news is much more black and white than whether or not some minor tennis match is fixed. Conversely, if the line moves to pk because Brady is announced out, and I bet the -3.5 not knowing Brady's out, will the book allow me to cancel my bet? I don't know any book that would.