Liquidity at MATCHBOOK....problem??? NO!!!

Fishhead · 10-22-10, 08:14 AM

Originally posted by coldhardfacts

Put in an offer at -109 on the Phillies twenty minute before first pitch and $99,999 ahead of me in the cue, and it matched.

All of you Matchbook haters should just STFU. You don't know a good thing when you see one.

THANK YOU!!

Did the same!

d2bets · 10-22-10, 08:54 AM

Originally posted by Fishhead

Huh???

ANY and EVERY punter from the U.S. that has any type of clue on this site has an account with Matchbook.

Matchbook has a huge customer base.

I would think so, though I think most unfortunately do not make offers. Can't see the liquidity without folks making significant offers. Markets are very hit and miss. Still eminently worth having as an out, but at times disappointing as well.

loyd · 10-22-10, 10:35 AM

Originally posted by Fishhead

It's funny listening to people complain at Matchy about liquidity...........SBR has no less than 2,433 posters that wager 2,000 or more per game.

imagine most of them betting on the same team at matchbook, it will eat most of the liquidity that matchbook put.

Max009 · 10-22-10, 03:10 PM

Originally posted by d2bets

I would think so, though I think most unfortunately do not make offers. Can't see the liquidity without folks making significant offers. Markets are very hit and miss. Still eminently worth having as an out, but at times disappointing as well.

I don't think Matchbook is sure what they want to be. They really are not interested in recreational players, they dont offer parlays, teasers, props and are good for only NFL, MLB, some NCAA, and only when betting close to game time. All other sports are basically non existent on Matchbook.

For serious handicappers lots of whom like to bet early, Matchbook is of no value since they have nothing early on any sport.

Matchbook has carved out its niche and doesn't seem keen on or is unable to grow beyond that.

We already guarantee to beat their best line so you can't even argue they have the best line anymore.

Sawyer · 10-22-10, 04:42 PM

Of course, liquidty will be good when you got only 1 baseball game on the board

Hockey liquidty is horrible. NCAAB and NBA Totals will be bad too.

But still, Matchbook is a must-have exchange. You can find many arbitrage (surebet) opportunities every week.

bubba · 10-22-10, 05:04 PM

Originally posted by Max009

I don't think Matchbook is sure what they want to be. They really are not interested in recreational players, they dont offer parlays, teasers, props and are good for only NFL, MLB, some NCAA, and only when betting close to game time. All other sports are basically non existent on Matchbook.

For serious handicappers lots of whom like to bet early, Matchbook is of no value since they have nothing early on any sport.

Matchbook has carved out its niche and doesn't seem keen on or is unable to grow beyond that.

We already guarantee to beat their best line so you can't even argue they have the best line anymore.

max- do you think anyone who doest have parlaymakers as an out is a fool? i just dont know enough about you guys (from 3rd party sources). like you make it sound great and all but i dont know anyone personally that has used you and gotten paid and have not read too many testimonials on forums or endorsements by sites like sbr. im intrigued yet skeptical at the same time.

JohnnyC · 10-22-10, 05:20 PM

Shilly shilly shily shill shills

Santo · 10-22-10, 05:42 PM

The best line guarantee is all well and good; but having to contact Live Chat every time you want to bet is not the same as being best line available for betting in <2 seconds.

Max009 · 10-22-10, 06:15 PM

Originally posted by bubba

max- do you think anyone who doest have parlaymakers as an out is a fool? i just dont know enough about you guys (from 3rd party sources). like you make it sound great and all but i dont know anyone personally that has used you and gotten paid and have not read too many testimonials on forums or endorsements by sites like sbr. im intrigued yet skeptical at the same time.

Thanks for the question.

Value wise, with the same lines and selection as Pinnacle, the reward program, the exchange offers and best line guarantee, I would say it is a must out.

The biggest concern for new users is reliability and getting paid. On that front, we pay instantly out back to your ewallet after every wager is graded. You don't have to request it, it happens automatically after every winning wager. So with complete control over your funds when wagering with Parlaymakers it takes a lot of the normal risk out compared to most online books, especially smaller ones like us.

Also, we are the only book that has an agreement with SBR for binding arbitration on any dispute up to $2500. We state that on the site and offer the SBR complaint form.

One thing we don't have, because we focus on value, is offering big promotional bonuses so a lot of the bonus hunters don't play with us and a lot of forum posters are primarily bonus hunters.

I would say we are the one must have out if you are looking for a low juice book.

Max009 · 10-22-10, 07:09 PM

Originally posted by Santo

The best line guarantee is all well and good; but having to contact Live Chat every time you want to bet is not the same as being best line available for betting in <2 seconds.

I hear what you are saying, but it would be impossible to monitor every line from every sportbook/exchange on every event all the time. We carry the same line as Pinnacle as our base line so that already gives you an idea where we are at compared to most places.

So that basically leaves a few other places at times and Matchbook and really only in time periods right before the game starts. The great thing about the guarantee is you don't have to have an account at Matchbook for fear of trying to get a better line because we guarantee to put up a better one.

For our customers who have used it already, it has been very simple...hey live chat, matchbook has +105 on Dallas and I want to bet $350 ...hold please ...ok we put up a line for +106 for $350 ...ok thanks I got it.

We are the only people who guarantee the best line all the time...you can't really get better than that.

bubba · 10-22-10, 07:15 PM

Originally posted by max009

. On that front, we pay instantly out back to your ewallet after every wager is graded. You don't have to request it, it happens automatically after every winning wager. .

and how do i know to trust the ewallet? I got stuck with a decent balance in neteller for many months back in the day. And doesnt the funds back to the ewallet get charged a commison? So on every single winner, there is an extra commision? I forgot about that. For every 100 i win, how much am i charged at your exchange/sportsbook?

durito · 10-22-10, 08:05 PM

Originally posted by Max009

I hear what you are saying, but it would be impossible to monitor every line from every sportbook/exchange on every event all the time. We carry the same line as Pinnacle as our base line so that already gives you an idea where we are at compared to most places.

So that basically leaves a few other places at times and Matchbook and really only in time periods right before the game starts. The great thing about the guarantee is you don't have to have an account at Matchbook for fear of trying to get a better line because we guarantee to put up a better one.

For our customers who have used it already, it has been very simple...hey live chat, matchbook has +105 on Dallas and I want to bet $350 ...hold please ...ok we put up a line for +106 for $350 ...ok thanks I got it.

We are the only people who guarantee the best line all the time...you can't really get better than that.

You will beat any line from any sportsbook?

Max009 · 10-22-10, 08:09 PM

Originally posted by bubba

and how do i know to trust the ewallet? I got stuck with a decent balance in neteller for many months back in the day. And doesnt the funds back to the ewallet get charged a commison? So on every single winner, there is an extra commision? I forgot about that. For every 100 i win, how much am i charged at your exchange/sportsbook?

Lets compare Matchbook and Parlaymakers.

Player A (MB)
Player B (PM)

A 1 wager for 100 to win 100 wins = paid 100 - 1 commission for 99 net
1 wager for 100 to win 100 loses = - 100 -1 commission for -101 net
overall net -$2

B 1 wager for 100 to win 101 (the guaranteed better price) wins= 101 - 2 for being paid back to ewallet for net of 99
1 wager for 100 to win 101 loses = -100 no commission for net -100
overall net -$1

Player A has limited sporting event options mainly NFL and MLB, at times very low limits for wagering, no early lines, no parlays, no teasers, no contests, and no props

Player B has huge selection of events from NFL to third tier soccer leagues, good limits at all times, early lines, parlays, teasers, contests and props.

Max009 · 10-22-10, 08:14 PM

Originally posted by durito

You will beat any line from any sportsbook?

Provided they take US customers and have publicly available lines. Did you have someone in mind?

Chopsticks · 10-22-10, 08:23 PM

Not happy that Moneybookers users can't get in on the rewards programme. But I will be happy once we get the exchange feature added!

benjy · 10-22-10, 08:23 PM

Originally posted by Max009

Provided they take US customers and have publicly available lines. Did you have someone in mind?

Say the squarer books, for example SIA. Or Bodog's square lines. Would you match them?

durito · 10-22-10, 08:26 PM

Originally posted by Max009

Provided they take US customers and have publicly available lines. Did you have someone in mind?

Why don't you just send me all your money.

jogumon · 10-22-10, 08:34 PM

Originally posted by Chopsticks

Not happy that Moneybookers users can't get in on the rewards programme. But I will be happy once we get the exchange feature added!

Any idea when Moneybookers users would have access to the exchange? Would you start charging them a commission, like Matchbook does?

Chopsticks · 10-22-10, 08:41 PM

Originally posted by jogumon

Any idea when Moneybookers users would have access to the exchange? Would you start charging them a commission, like Matchbook does?

On the site they advertise that you can use the exchange feature commission free until end of 2010. This does of course not guarantee that mb users will get it though! I have been nagging on them on and off and have been told that they are working on it and that they will have an announcement by end of october.

It will be so good and I really do hope that they get it done. I do wonder if it will last though. Nowadays PM have instant payouts to moneybookers on request (I have tried this a few times!).... but I can imagine that if a few big hitters join them to use the exchange feature then that could easily put a strain on their moneybookers account.

scott235 · 10-22-10, 09:26 PM

exchanges are the wave of the future....I believe that online SB's will only exist for exotics, non-strait bets and for anyone who wants to lay down a serious amt of money on 1 or a few games and needs the liquidity

...it's just so obvious, a true exchange is never adversarial to the winning bettor

scott235 · 10-22-10, 09:38 PM

max009/pm

please give instructions for people who want to use and support your exchnge feature. yes, i'm an ignorant american ass who is not used to using exchanges but yet it took me about 10 minutes to figure out matchbook....

help your site and us to place offers if you are serious

IrishTim · 10-22-10, 11:25 PM

Totals are pathetic.

Max009 · 10-22-10, 11:29 PM

Originally posted by benjy

Say the squarer books, for example SIA. Or Bodog's square lines. Would you match them?

No, we won't match it, we will beat it. Keep in mind square book then square limits. Angle shooting your way to your mcmansion with us is not going to work.

Max009 · 10-22-10, 11:33 PM

Originally posted by Chopsticks

On the site they advertise that you can use the exchange feature commission free until end of 2010. This does of course not guarantee that mb users will get it though! I have been nagging on them on and off and have been told that they are working on it and that they will have an announcement by end of october.

It will be so good and I really do hope that they get it done. I do wonder if it will last though. Nowadays PM have instant payouts to moneybookers on request (I have tried this a few times!).... but I can imagine that if a few big hitters join them to use the exchange feature then that could easily put a strain on their moneybookers account.

Moneybookers users can now use the exchange for both posting and accepting offers. That is new as of today so if you see any issues let me know. There is always something that can be improved. For posting offers you will have to contact us to be authorized on the exchange side.

Max009 · 10-22-10, 11:43 PM

Originally posted by scott235

please give instructions for people who want to use and support your exchnge feature. yes, i'm an ignorant american ass who is not used to using exchanges but yet it took me about 10 minutes to figure out matchbook....

help your site and us to place offers if you are serious

Point taken, we do need some better tutorials, more visual than what we currently have. To place offers you have to contact us to have your account activated. When that happens you will get an additional create offer button and the offer menu. Once your account is activated our live chat can answer any questions about the various options on the exchange side. Our exchange options are much more flexible than matchbook. Plus we always see our site as a work in progress and are always trying to add features.

To accept offers requires nothing, and the site looks just like a regular sportsbook. So the base Parlaymakers line is always shown and is always available. If you see the base line highlighted in gold then hover over the highlighted line and the additional exchange offers will be displayed. You always get the best offer available. Any amount of your wager over the offers displayed will be filled by the base Parlaymakers line so there is always liquidity.

FreeFall · 10-23-10, 12:36 AM

nice sample size of one. It's a good thing I only want to bet on one game a year. Don't even get me started with the uptime there either.

Salamander · 10-23-10, 02:52 AM

Originally posted by Fishhead

It's funny listening to people complain at Matchy about liquidity...........SBR has no less than 2,433 posters that wager 2,000 or more per game.

Come on bud, 2434 when you include me, uh-huh.

Celtics1905 · 10-23-10, 03:21 AM

not compared to betfair

bubba · 10-23-10, 09:06 AM

Originally posted by Max009

No, we won't match it, we will beat it. Keep in mind square book then square limits. Angle shooting your way to your mcmansion with us is not going to work.

im so confused. you will beat any offer but then limit customers who want to bet good bets? an exchange that limits customers? i know you need to stay in businesss but this seems like a very strange offer.

mrmarket · 10-23-10, 09:15 AM

This thread is ~~fan~~shilltastic

Max009 · 10-23-10, 10:11 AM

Originally posted by bubba

im so confused. you will beat any offer but then limit customers who want to bet good bets? an exchange that limits customers? i know you need to stay in businesss but this seems like a very strange offer.

You can offer whatever you want on the exchange. I am just pointing out the limitations in the guarantee that we offer. Because if you want us to beat someone elses lower offer but that place limits people to $25 after playing there then it is a little silly to expect that we would then offer unlimited amounts at that line because they are not offering unlimited amounts at that line. If you find a $1 offer at MB do you think that means we have to offer a billion dollars of liquidity at 1 cent better in order to have a guarantee?

Our site functions like a normal book except we have the ability to allow exchange offers on the back end. So no one is being limited by us with regards to exchange offers.

Arilou · 10-23-10, 11:25 AM

Max, what's to stop me from making the offer at Matchbook myself, especially on something where they are terribly illiquid, and then asking you to beat it?

bubba · 10-23-10, 11:37 AM

Originally posted by Arilou

Max, what's to stop me from making the offer at Matchbook myself, especially on something where they are terribly illiquid, and then asking you to beat it?

what if a book opened up and guaranteed to be parlaymakers lines. how would that work?

Scooter · 10-23-10, 11:52 AM

Originally posted by Fishhead

Check the PHILS/GIANTS and tell me such..............

How many points will it take to get you to whack yourself in the nuts with a croquet mallet?

23,543 posts, and 23,540 of them are all saying the same thing.
Three of them were telling people to stock up on frozen pizza because the price of wheat was predicted to go up.

Max009 · 10-23-10, 12:19 PM

Originally posted by Arilou

Max, what's to stop me from making the offer at Matchbook myself, especially on something where they are terribly illiquid, and then asking you to beat it?

I love hypothetical angle shooting questions from people who don't really plan on playing.

We do state on the guarantee that for exchange offers the offer must be in the normal range for the wager so don't expect to get +200 on a -200 wager with a million dollar limit because you put up one dollar on matchbook.

We are not going to let you abuse the guarantee, since that is what you are asking.