How can SBOBET (and other big Asian books) possibly not be rated?

[blackf1re]

Just weird that SBR lists every bloody book from here to God knows where (90% of them I've never heard of) but some of biggest books are not rated.

I mean SBOBET is basically the #1 book for soccer and everyone and their dog copies their lines.

Same goes for 12bet and 188bet.

[moonbeam]

Americans are not intersted in Chinese books.

I also don´t like them

[LMAOFISH]

Why not? odds too good?

[Hareeba!]

Americans are not intersted in Chinese books.

I also don´t like them

which are the Chinese books?

sounds like pure ignorance to me

[flyingillini]

Sbobet is by far bigger than any book that caters to American players. Their site is top notch and very clean.

[moonbeam]

20 Euro max stake at mansion88 at the world cup final (maybe the biggest sports event in the world) says it all.

Maybe all those chinese books ok for the AH punters.

I tried to use them all over the last years, but for me they are a waste of time.

[durito]

What books aren't a waste of time for you moonbeam?

[moonbeam]

this is a very good and also a very diffiicult question durito.

I have some money in 40 books.

40% are a waste of time, 40% are ok sometimes, 20% are good.

[Hareeba!]

20 Euro max stake at mansion88 at the world cup final (maybe the biggest sports event in the world) says it all.

Maybe all those chinese books ok for the AH punters.

I tried to use them all over the last years, but for me they are a waste of time.

Mansion and 12Bet are crap but SBO and 188 are excellent and no soccer punter should be without them

NONE OF THEM ARE CHINESE!

[moonbeam]

SBO with it´s 90% payout is excellent?

[Hareeba!]

SBO with it´s 90% payout is excellent?

what are you on about now?
between SBO, 188, Piinnacle and Betfair you will always be able to get very close to 100% markets on major soccer and nowhere else has anywhere near as good AH odds

[Chopsticks]

what are you on about now?
between SBO, 188, Piinnacle and Betfair you will always be able to get very close to 100% markets on major soccer and nowhere else has anywhere near as good AH odds

+1

But to get the very best odds I would use other asians as well for AH and not stick religiously with those you mentioned. Maybe include Betdaq too for high-volume matches as the liquidity can be decent on AH.

[Hareeba!]

+1

But to get the very best odds I would use other asians as well for AH and not stick religiously with those you mentioned. Maybe include Betdaq too for high-volume matches as the liquidity can be decent on AH.

which other Asians?
I've sacked 12Bet and Mansion for limiting me to betting peanuts
I haven't been invited to join that other mob

[Chopsticks]

At the top of my head (some have very weird mirror url's.. just enter in to google/yahoo). The bolded are ones I know 100% sure are safe either through personal experience or because someone I know play there.

bodog88
Fun88
samvo
VcBasia
10bet (ish)
ibcbet (let me know if you know a way to get in here that does not include agents)
sportmarket
aowin889
8dice
888caifu
dafabet
yishengbo
swifind
988sssggg
cwei88
88sentosa
betlego
macau-slot

I know about a few others too but this will probably do for now. Some of these sites will probably not have your country on the list, but they will allow you to sign up using some other country. There are tons of yishengbo-type sites out there but I do not think I have included more than the main yishengbo one. Some may not have deposit methods other than china banking. All of these should have english language support/site available.

[Docta Ignoranti]

Actually I didn't believe you, but your right SBOBET is not rated. Very odd being it's an excellent book. Moon, how do you come up with 90% or you just pulling that out of your ass? Harebba, nice listing - SBO, 188, Piinnacle and Betfair are excellent options. Chop your a wild man!

[Hareeba!]

At the top of my head (some have very weird mirror url's.. just enter in to google/yahoo). The bolded are ones I know 100% sure are safe either through personal experience or because someone I know play there.

bodog88
Fun88
samvo
VcBasia
10bet (ish)
ibcbet (let me know if you know a way to get in here that does not include agents)
sportmarket
aowin889
8dice
888caifu
dafabet
yishengbo
swifind
988sssggg
cwei88
88sentosa
betlego
macau-slot

I know about a few others too but this will probably do for now. Some of these sites will probably not have your country on the list, but they will allow you to sign up using some other country. There are tons of yishengbo-type sites out there but I do not think I have included more than the main yishengbo one. Some may not have deposit methods other than china banking. All of these should have english language support/site available.

hmmm , thanks but for now I think I'm pretty well catered for by my four prime books - not really keen to risk it with books I've never heard of in dubious jurisdictions

[Chopsticks]

Fun88 and Sportmarket = Isle of Man
Samvo = Alderney
VCBasia = HQ in gibraltar but servers in Philippines. If you go to the main vcbet.com site and try to change to some asian language, it will take you to vcbasia.

Check out the First Cagayan site for info on books in the Philippines. 12bet and mansion88 are both licenced with them.

[Hareeba!]

Fun88 and Sportmarket = Isle of Man
Samvo = Alderney
VCBasia = HQ in gibraltar but servers in Philippines. If you go to the main vcbet.com site and try to change to some asian language, it will take you to vcbasia.

Check out the First Cagayan site for info on books in the Philippines. 12bet and mansion88 are both licenced with them.

ok, thanks for all the info C
are their prices competitive enough with the major 4 to warrant the effort?
what sort of limits and do they slash them like 12Bet and Mansion?

[Chopsticks]

Fun88, limits should be 2x£500 I believe.
Samvo, I don't remember limits there.
VC, £1500 on premiership, £750 or thereabouts on the other big leagues.

Fun88 has same odds as 12bet. They sponsor Burnley btw. They do limit you eventually though. Samvo's overround is surprisingly lower than most asians. VcBasia is kind of sbo-ish, but their site is awful in ff.
Sportmarket claim to take huge bets at what has to be the lowest available juice on gameday. Never used them though.

All in all though, no it is probably not worth the effort if you are not turning over a lot.

[shrek82]

Chopsticks,
Samvo have very good limits !


Sbobet is number 1

Sbobet is A+

[Goldman]

Because asian books don't care about SBR or other rating sites.

They know what they're doing, and they do the best.

[blackf1re]

SBO with it´s 90% payout is excellent?

More like 98.5%

They have the highest payouts and highest limits as far as I know. Plus every single game is available for in-play betting. Even 6th division football in England.

[Hareeba!]

More like 98.5%

They have the highest payouts and highest limits as far as I know. Plus every single game is available for in-play betting. Even 6th division football in England.

not quite every game
some of the lesser euro leagues for example are not listed whereas they are at 12Bet and Mansion

[blackf1re]

Okay, but most of them.

Was just looking at today's matches. And each of of the 54 will go in-play.

[lukahh]

thanks for the list.
i might give a try to one or two of those, but 10bet which you list i don't think is safe. a lot of complaints.

[Goldman]

At the top of my head (some have very weird mirror url's.. just enter in to google/yahoo). The bolded are ones I know 100% sure are safe either through personal experience or because someone I know play there.

bodog88
Fun88
samvo
VcBasia
10bet (ish)
ibcbet (let me know if you know a way to get in here that does not include agents)
sportmarket
aowin889
8dice
888caifu
dafabet
yishengbo
swifind
988sssggg
cwei88
88sentosa
betlego
macau-slot

I know about a few others too but this will probably do for now. Some of these sites will probably not have your country on the list, but they will allow you to sign up using some other country. There are tons of yishengbo-type sites out there but I do not think I have included more than the main yishengbo one. Some may not have deposit methods other than china banking. All of these should have english language support/site available.

ibcbet (let me know if you know a way to get in here that does not include agents)

Man tell me how much you bet on a game. I have some connections (not betting through agents) and I could bring you in.

[Krtica]

20 Euro max stake at mansion88 at the world cup final (maybe the biggest sports event in the world) says it all.

Maybe all those chinese books ok for the AH punters.

I tried to use them all over the last years, but for me they are a waste of time.

Realy ? You lack knowledge man...

[Krtica]

Americans are not intersted in Chinese books.

I also don´t like them

Those are not at all chinese books.
If you search a bit around you can easily noticed , that IBC , SBO are very rich companies.
Settled in Malaysia and Philipines.
Many copies of those 2 under same company , but for other users/smaller/bigger bettors

[Krtica]

thanks for the list.
i might give a try to one or two of those, but 10bet which you list i don't think is safe. a lot of complaints.

10bet has nothing with asian books. They are good to avoid long time ago.

[moonbeam]

Realy ? You lack knowledge man...

Maybe you are right. Maybe thats because of the priorities you have.

I tried to get out my 60 Euro in SBO because I have an 2000 Euro rollover for this stupid 60 Euro. It´s a waste of time for me, do you want this 60 Euro Krtica?

[yobinad]

i will try sbo.

[King_Suckerman]

SBO are a solid book. Thanks to chopsticks for the list.

[lukahh]

RE "chinese" bookies.
i think we can call them this, as lots of capital and management is by people of chinese descent.

[strixee]

Yeah, 188 and SBO are like Pinny except for slower payouts (takes hours and not 20 mins)

[Hareeba!]

Yeah, 188 and SBO are like Pinny except for slower payouts (takes hours and not 20 mins)

Are you really fussed by that

Actually, it depends on how much you withdraw from Pinnacle
If over $3k the wait can be several hours ... big deal!