I dont know about you boys but my summer has been filled with slow-pays, and just got cut-off another book for winning, I am withdrawing all my funds and not betting on-line anymore. This was the last straw. When I lose thousands in their bullshit rigged casino its ok, when I bet heavy fav's in baseball, any sport, halftimes, etc its ok, when I send in deposit after deposit its ok, but when I win 250 bets on props, slightly off lines, or get legitimately hot, none can stomach it. Then they charge insane fees to get money out if I want a bigger, faster payout. Or switch to a "solid" book with 15 and 20-cent lines. F'em all, I strongly think in less than 1 year they will all go to shit anyways, now I have to spend summer/fall withdrawing 40k I have in 4 books. I sincerely wish rest of people here the best of luck, not in sports but in dealings with books. (Not that mine are over with either)
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and on top of all this they threaten me that they will tell other books "what I'm doing" Told them dont bother I am withdrawing all balances everywhere.Comment -
chill out menComment -
I dont know why you play online casinos, as you know they are rigged. So that was your bad.
If you play bad lines, that is your bad also.Comment -
someone sounds a little angreyComment -
get out of the States and play with the real guysComment -
acarmelo= I am chilled out "Men", have nothing against people playing at any book they chose, I am simply telling it as I see it.
Didn't want pity for playing online casinos, just stating that I was spreading 50 to 100 3 hands of blackjack (took them for 6k by the way) but same books endorsed here cant take more than 25 to 50 bucks in prop bets or team totals. Instead of letting me bet my 250 here and there, and take my rigged casino action, they limit me, so I lock-up casino and will cash out until they are dry.
And-did I say I play bad lines? Simply said thats the option for "solid books" thats why they are solid, cause they rip your ass off.
Your screwed either way; good line books will get gobbled up by sharps and scalps, bad-lines will carve you out, its just a no-win for me anymore. When I win bets instead of felling that rush and excitement, I feel, "Will I get paid?"
Sidetrack=hardly "angrey", dumbfounded yes, but I can always bet if I want thats not a big deal, and I could easily live without $10/day prop scalping (I can make more passing gas per day)
Hareeba=wish that was an option
relaxxx=I have been beating books the past 2 years...not coincidentally after I started following and participating in think thanks with fine online forums such as this one. I lost the previous 11 but no one shut my accounts then of course. And I have no problem giving up betting, I am more concerned with not playing at any book, leaving my balances out for months and trying to withdraw huge amounts without any going under.Comment -
good luck to you. it certainly has been difficult to cash out at many places. i have also been limited at a book that i was wagering probably 180 grand a year in, and none of it was scalping. i think that there are just not enouph squares to keep all of the books profitable so they are taking this route of cutting guys that have a clue. wish you well in your new pursuits.Comment -
good post, and thanksComment -
This is going to be the issue of anyone who wins consistently. I know you're frustrated, but that is the price you pay for winning. No book can stay in business if all the players win & every book is in business to make money.
It sucks, and it can piss you off, but you just gotta deal with it. Remember that you're winning, so that is the shit you have to deal with.
You want to be a stone sucker and blow you're brains to a casino in Vegas, or at Heritage? Then you will get comped and treated like royalty. If you win, you will be forever shit on. Personally I would rather go with the winning.Comment -
This is part of the game unfortunately GGZOLA. And you really have to look at it as a game because it would get too frustrating otherwise. I once acted batshit crazy on the phone with a rep pretending I was getting my plays from a long dead aunt through my tarot cards so they wouldn't cut my prop limits. It bought me another month so I could scalp most of the money out of the site but they eventually realized what was up and I was toast. Took months to get the rest of my balance of that shithole.Comment -
Whenever I read that someone has $40K in offshore books, or wagers over $180K a year, or constantly wins so much they are severely limited, I have to question it. It sounds like wild embellishment to me.
I'm sure there's people who do that much business with the books, but the majority of gamblers don't have access to that kind of cash. Nor would they be able to hide the tens of thousands of dollars from their wife/roommate/landlord to deposit offshore.
Most gamblers are small time losers. It's a fact.
And those who do win at a ridiculously successful clip, would they share it here? I doubt it.
It's kind of like the reviews for golf equipment I read online. EVERYONE can drive the ball 300+ yards, has a single digit handicap, and only plays on the weekends. Bull****. Pure and simple. We all know the majority of golfers are hacks.
I believe there are a handful of sophisticated bettors here. And I also believe they keep it pretty much to themselves. Those who complain of being limited (because they are so successful) so they cannot wager thousands of dollars at a time are mostly posers.Comment -
I'm of the belief one of the worse things you can do is bet a WRONG line at a book which shades their lines to begin with. All you're doing is setting off all the bells and whistles. So what you win that one crooked bet and then they restrict your account and that's the end of the fun. There are plenty of places to find wagers to place on just about everything so do your homework and never leave more $ online than you're comfortable with. Of course, you should spread the wealth around. No such thing as a safe book to house your money. I know many think some of these books are bulletproof to going under but I don't trust anyone of them to that extent.Comment -
Some of what you say is true dmtrader but on the issue of being limited you are some way off the mark.
I have had my stakes reduced at books despite having been a loser at them. And at many of the others I've certainly not won 'at a ridiculous clip' before being limited.
And I have never had any need to hide my betting from my wife, family or friends.Comment -
Online casinos??? Are you nuts???sbrComment -
On-line gaming is going to get more and more limited for winners and losers, Another 12 months and it we are all cut off and will have to go back to old style bookies good luck to everyone while it lasts.Comment -
fyi 2 everyone, I dont make it a habit 2 play casinos online, just happen to start with blackjack and got on a roll, starting around 25 bucks then upped it; it lasted 3 days until I locked the casino account. Just see it as funny when I risk several thousand doing that and they can't take 250 bets. Anyways...I certainly am not a "poser," whatever that means. I never had more than 20k combined but this year tripled it and took down about 20. When I look for value, I have to keep at least 5k in all books I play in, never know which book will have a better line.
Dmtrader, not that I had to prove anything, but everything I said is a fact, and, frankly there is no reason to lie. What benefit would I have to lie that I got limited? With all due respect, get a clue.Comment -
I got some questions:
1) Why are on-line casinos shutting down in 12 months?
2) What books are we talking about, here?
Personally, I'd like to know because I'm having trouble with a book, myself.Comment -
Thanks for your reply.
If you had read my post, you would see that I do believe there are some people on here who have the continued success you claim to have. So I'm not saying specifically that you are lying. And you're right, you don't have to prove anything to me or anyone else.
However, you have to admit that most bettors would not have anywhere near the amount of success you claim. And if you are having that kind of success, why would you need to tell anyone about it? Seems to me, the best gamblers wouldn't tell a soul how well they are doing.Comment -
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well considering I have lost 20x this money in my lifetime, I wouldnt say this is a long-term success, just had a good year; its not hard to win 20-30k when your minimum wager is usually 1000/game. Points well taken though, good luck to you and all left. I am just concentrating on getting my monies out, probably take me until super bowl the way payouts are right now. I went something like 64-40 in my run, so it adds up with big bets. Plus some scalping was icing on cake. But your right if I could make a living gambling last thing I would do is brag or share the info anywhere let alone with freinds or family.Comment -
The bookie is your friend...
and other grimm's fairy tales. Online books still don't get what customer service is all about. They could learn a lot from vegas and even locals.
WINNERS ARE YOUR BEST ADVERSTISING!
I use three locals for sports and ponies, and go online for that and poker. The online stuff is all really small because I'm still learning the trix of the online game. The trick i'm learning is to not give them any possible reason to deny a PO. Whew! I'm glad I started small.
The best book I've got is a local with a PPH site. I get all the convenience of online without all the bs in depositing and WD's.
Anyway.....let me tell you guys the difference on how I was treated by this guy and one OL book which will remain nameless.
Had a great year in MLB and was rolling also in college football up until the bowl games. I fukked the dog in my bowl games and had my worst ncaab season in 5 years.
With the online book I was up a little so they limited me to a very small amount on my bets, using a very sketchy unverifiable explanation that caught a lot of people offguard on this very form.
My local does exactly the opposite. Before bball starts, He's giving me points, letting me up my limits, emailing me promos and working me like a crackhead trying to go strait.
Guess who made more money off me?Comment -
This was exactly my problem.
I always get a runaround trying to cash out at just about every book, so my new rule for a long time now has been -- THE GREEK.COM ONLY.
I am so tired of all these jack shit books sending me advertisements claiming " Immediate Payouts" or "Fastest payouts in the industry", then when you try to cash out they act like you are a JACKASS if you want to get it in less than 2 weeks.
I took a fking 15% bonus with a 4 time rollover,then probably gave them 25 time rollover and they still tried to tell me not enough action to withdraw. But of course they dont tell me that when I request the withdraw, they just said OK check back tommorow. Then they said check back on Monday, then Tuesday, then on Wednesday they told me not enough action yet. Bullshit. They claimed most of my bets didnt count.
It doesnt matter which book it is, I always get the fking runaround when I withdraw.
This shit reminds me of years ago when Dalton Wagners books ( MVPSportsbook/BHb/VWager, BetOnSports ) advertised heavily on all the forums, so of course they were an A + Book everywhere, but EVERY time I tried to make a withdrawal it was some new Bullshit excuse. Luckily I saw the writing on the wall, and stopped playing there before they went under and stole everyones money. ( They became betonsports then stole everyones funds )Comment -
greek is solid...Comment -
Solid as they come but horrific lines, especially in soccer. Game totals over 2.5 -190 under +105, etc...WTF is that bro?Comment -
Bottom line, you must hang with the good books, and there are only a few I believe. For US players,5 dimes, Bookmaker, BJ, Greek and maybe one or two others. I thought BetPhoenix and sisters was a good book. This week I find out they are not.Comment -
great post good things to think aboutComment -
It is all going to be over in 12 months the US Government will make law banning on-line wagering in a bigger way come next summer Good Luck everyone.Comment
