Nice Work SBR...Sportsbook.com Dropped by EOG

[Bluehorseshoe]

Just got back from reading some posts at RX and was shocked to see your lone support for Rick. He allows a SB.com banner to fly there attracting thousands of dollars for a book you admit is crap. And you rip the Shrink, who pulls down the SB banner, over a lousy $400. Rick, while probably not Jewish, is the money grubber. He has a duty to his forum and the many readers to guard against obvious fraud.

Please. The only reason the Shrink is pulling them down is to make the RX look bad. It's worth it to him to lose advertising money from SB to try and get people to leave the RX and go to his site. Why do you think he came in here to tell people the news of what he's doing??

And does he still takes money from a couple of questionable books? If he does, then you can't make him a saint.

[HedgeHog]

Blue:

I know Shrink is not a Saint (very few ****** Saints). My point is that Rick deserves the flak he gets for the SB fiasco. Shrink, whatever his intentions, actually did the right thing. And if he benefits from this with more posters, so be it. Rick is causing the Exodus from his own forum.

Hedge, I know it was a joke but lets please avoid those kind of jokes.... btw, good post.

[Bluehorseshoe]

Blue:

I know Shrink is not a Saint (very few ****** Saints). My point is that Rick deserves the flak he gets for the SB fiasco. Shrink, whatever his intentions, actually did the right thing. And if he benefits from this with more posters, so be it. Rick is causing the Exodus from his own forum.

Hedge, I know it was a joke but lets please avoid those kind of jokes.... btw, good post.

I just read this over there by Wilheim....

The Rx is trying to rectify the situation by mediation and civil discussion with the powers that be at Sportsbook.com that made the decision to confiscate funds from however many of these 31 players that had accounts with them. I still am not sure of that number. I do know of one for certain. The others remain a mystery to me at this point.

What else are they suppose to do?

[HedgeHog]

SBR John: Saw the edit on my post and all I meant is that the Catholics nominate the Saints not the Jewish religion (no slam on Jewish people). Did you read JJ's posts by the way--and they are okay with you (no edits)?

PS Ignore this, let's stay on topic.

[HedgeHog]

Blue:

I feel RX should take down SB's banner until this matter is resolved.

[jjgold]

For the record..SBR John did tell me one more slur like that and I am done

Guys they guy stiffed me and some of you know how that feels so I get fired up to know end.

[Patrick McIrish]

In situations like this where players money is stolen, there's no need to bring personalities into it. This is too important for that. The Shrink and I are far from friends, we've been in nasty battles many many times and I would be the first to speak up here if I thought he was wrong. However to criticize the guy for doing the right thing here is beyond absurd. Things done in the past are just that, in the past, seek reparations for that elsewhere, but taking down the site who ripped off a bunch of fellow players was the right thing to do in this instance. Who knows, after doing this maybe his policy will be to get tougher with all his advertisers, either way though he and his site should be given props for doing the right thing, not called out and questioned because some may feel there was an agenda behind it. He did the right thing in this stuation, nice to see another forum besides SBR actually taking a stand these days on behalf of the players, maybe we can start a trend. If you can't see that in this situation than I would suggest you're the one with the agenda, not Shrink. Let's put our own personal feelings aside and look at the big picture, seeing one of these watchdog forums actually making a stand for what is right rather than what is more profitable, is great news for all of us. If you're angry he banned you or whatever than get even with him on another topic, this is an important issue and it was a huge sense of relief to see EOG take clear and decisive action for a change. Only thing that would make this better is if other sites would do the same thing. 'Nuff said.

[Patrick McIrish]

Blue:

I feel RX should take down SB's banner until this matter is resolved.

I agree but that banner is not coming down. No way, no how. What you are seeing now is the part where they attempt to minimize the actions of their cash cow. Lot of talking but no real action to help the industry, only actions are the acting to keep those checks coming. Rick admitted it already, he's at the mercy of these books who will pay them, he couldn't take a stand for what's right if he wanted to. The advertisers are holding the gun these days, the RX (and others) are just slaves for these books. They have no persuasive powers, no input, no sense of right or wrong, no nothing. They are at the mercy of these places who will pay them. Books like BOS in recent history, even after their stiff jobs, recent and from the past, the General was out shilling for them on his forum, announcing about all the monthly specials he wanted his members to be aware of. In fact JC made an excllent point on the RX, this theft by Sportsbook is exactly what BOS pulled before they went under. The stiff jobs mounted up right before they hauled ass and left everyone holding the bag. Who knows if it might happen again, but it can't be a good thing when a book like this blatantly steals this amount of money and dares anyone to do anything about it. Props to any site who will stand up and speak out against this crap.

[HedgeHog]

Pat:

Agree mostly, and it's sad that things have deteriorated to this level. As SBR John says, it's a dark time for Sports Bettors (or something to that effect). BOS , as bad as they were, might still be around if not for the US arrests and pressure. That day in July '06 caused a horrible backlash that persists today.

[Mudcat]

FYI, the decision has been reversed. EOG is accepting Sportsbetting.com back into the advertising fold.

After a few weeks to do the proper research and let cooler heads prevail, EOG.com has reversed its decision previously and allowed the return of SPORTSBETTING.COM to our list of advertisers.

When the original stories came out about Sportsbook.com canceling previous winning wagers (but not the losing ones), we felt it was in our best interest to remove any advertising that was coming from anyone in the Jazette Enterprises umbrella. I will say now that I believe EOG moved far too quickly without doing its due diligence of talking to SPORTSBETTING.COM and finding out the facts on the situation.

After speaking with the higher-ups at SPORTSBETTING.COM, we were informed that each company makes their own decisions in regards to their operation, and that a decision by Sportsbook.com in no way reflects a decision that would be made by SPORTSBETTING.COM.

Removing them from the site would serve no real purpose -- it would be akin to throwing a brother in prison because of crimes the other brother committed. We apologize to SPORTSBETTING.COM for the defamation and damage to the company that we may have done.

We know that this likely will not be a popular decision to the forum crowd (but really, what is?), but we ask that you be fair in evaluating if it is really right to punish one book for the deeds of another.

Rest assured if any one of EOG's sponsors does something similar to what Sportsbook.com did, then we will move swiftly.

For now, we ask that you welcome SPORTSBETTING.COM with open arms and give them a fair chance at your business.

Thanks,

The Shrink

[louis]

Fine with sportsbetting.com, but shrink, why SBG Global???

Sportsbetting.com clearly stated they are not confiscating funds. They should be allowed to advertise again based on the eog business model, but they are not owed an apology, as they choose to keep company with a thief organization.

The issue with shrink is why he leaves up books like SBG Global? And what about oddsmaker? People run up balances, try to cash out, and they have to wait until their futures settle? What type of crap is this.

[HedgeHog]

Sportsbetting.com went against parent SB.com and paid out its customers for same-game parlays. As such, I don't have a problem with them getting more business.

[ShamsWoof10]

Didn't someone say a few months back that Sportsbook.com and USA Today had something going on with Covers..? If that is the case then I wonder if they even noticed EOG droppin' them or even give a sh*t!

I dropped a penny on the floor the other day..and didn't spend anytime looking for it....

[beetman]

I have no idea what the scrap is about and I don't care. How is something like this allowed to be posted here? How is someone who says this not banned?

I am highly offended and I have lost respect for sbrlines.

The post calling the Shrink "a Jew" was posted a whopping 5 hours before the above post. You expect the moderators to keep an eye on the posts here 24 hours a day???

That's actually a trick right out of the Shrink's play book. On other boards, I've seen this happen several times. Some troll posts an ethnic slur and a couple hours later the Shrink whines about how the other board is moderated poorly because the moderators didn't do anything about the slur. Nevermind that his whine is posted an hour or two after the slur is posted.

[beetman]

And nevermind that the slur was posted at 4:16am PST and your whine about SBR not removing the slur was posted at 9:25am PST. You think the moderators might want to sleep every once in a while?

[Bill Dozer]

I agree but that banner is not coming down. No way, no how. What you are seeing now is the part where they attempt to minimize the actions of their cash cow. Lot of talking but no real action to help the industry, only actions are the acting to keep those checks coming. Rick admitted it already, he's at the mercy of these books who will pay them, he couldn't take a stand for what's right if he wanted to. The advertisers are holding the gun these days, the RX (and others) are just slaves for these books. They have no persuasive powers, no input, no sense of right or wrong, no nothing. They are at the mercy of these places who will pay them. Books like BOS in recent history, even after their stiff jobs, recent and from the past, the General was out shilling for them on his forum, announcing about all the monthly specials he wanted his members to be aware of. In fact JC made an excllent point on the RX, this theft by Sportsbook is exactly what BOS pulled before they went under. The stiff jobs mounted up right before they hauled ass and left everyone holding the bag. Who knows if it might happen again, but it can't be a good thing when a book like this blatantly steals this amount of money and dares anyone to do anything about it. Props to any site who will stand up and speak out against this crap.

These books are stealing from other account holders because the players are "sharp." Thay have stooped even lower than the parlay confiscations. The argument for an F rating has never been stronger.

[SBR_John]

These books are stealing from other account holders because the players are "sharp." Thay have stooped even lower than the parlay confiscations. The argument for an F rating has never been stronger.

A poster on EOG said it best, something to the effect that eog is useful because he just looks at what books advertise there and that is the list of books he will never join.

That is the arguement I have tried to make for years. Its not smart business to promote scambooks...period. The players are not simply brain dead.

[HedgeHog]

What is SBR's opinion on the partial "reversal" by EOG? Sportsbetting broke ranks with SB: should their banner fly despite the affiliation with SB?

[bigboydan]

A poster on EOG said it best, something to the effect that eog is useful because he just looks at what books advertise there and that is the list of books he will never join.

I must respectfully disagree with that posters sentiments on that one John.

If anyone was to use that method in order to choose their books, then they wouldn't play at Matchbook, WSEX, and Bookmaker just to name a few. If a poster is reading all these forums out their they would clearly that those books I mentioned above are top tier well respected books by players as well as site owners.

[SBR_John]

What is SBR's opinion on the partial "reversal" by EOG? Sportsbetting broke ranks with SB: should their banner fly despite the affiliation with SB?

Our opinion is what it has always been. These portals should think long term and act in way that is positive to the industry and not promote scambooks.

No book affiliated with sportsbook.com should be promoted by any site because they are a train wreck ready to happen, again.

Its bad business to promote scambooks. It shows the true colors of the operator when they will promote an SBG or Sportsbook.com after the many scams and 3 card montys they have pulled.

[HedgeHog]

Our opinion is what it has always been. These portals should think long term and act in way that is positive to the industry and not promote scambooks.

No book affiliated with sportsbook.com should be promoted by any site because they are a train wreck ready to happen, again.

Its bad business to promote scambooks. It shows the true colors of the operator when they will promote an SBG or Sportsbook.com after the many scams and 3 card montys they have pulled.

Fair enough. The problem I have is that when Sportsbetting ,BetUSA and Linesmaker do the right thing, they're separated from SB--getting their ratings raised while SB justly goes down. Here, however, they get grouped together again with SB.

[robmpink]

If you ask me, the EOG acted a bit too late. For example a site with less traffic, MadJacks, once the parlay crap came to light, after getting the facts, he pulled down the Sportsbook.com banner.That was about a month or so ago. It cut into his pocket, but it shows he is ethical. By just deciding to pull the banner shows that it is a desperation move. I agree with whoever said it. It is a PR move. If you ask me, none of the other sites, Madjacks, therx, etc, would come over here and post that they dropped a certain book from advertising.