BetHorizon is closer to an A+ book then a B....

michael777 · 04-30-10, 03:55 PM

but do they ever respond to emails? i have emailed them twice and got no response

RichardGeorge · 04-30-10, 03:56 PM

I don't know... I really don't use emails much..... Carla from Accounting emails me sometimes about payouts, but thats it... why don't you just call them and get a direct response? I hate emailing books personally.

katstale · 04-30-10, 03:56 PM

There is really alot abt this post that I like--and it has nothing to do with BetHorizon. Just wanted to get in before the sharks!! lolol

michael777 · 04-30-10, 03:58 PM

Originally posted by RichardGeorge

I don't know... I really don't use emails much..... Carla from Accounting emails me sometimes about payouts, but thats it... why don't you just call them and get a direct response? I hate emailing books personally.

any book that does not respond to simple questions by email are books that have piss poor customer service

RichardGeorge · 04-30-10, 04:05 PM

Originally posted by katstale

There is really alot abt this post that I like--and it has nothing to do with BetHorizon. Just wanted to get in before the sharks!! lolol

seriously?

I supposed its because your gonna say ima shill, but w/e..... If you seriously think BetOnline is a better book then BetHorizon, you need to take a solid look at whats really important in the industry....

Gotta love waiting 8-10 business days for a check at betonline... and them refusing to give you a tracking # until the 11th business day when it still hasn't arrived....

Peeig · 04-30-10, 04:35 PM

BetHorizon is lol slow at responding to emailage..........I've sent them 10 emails over the last week, and they finally responded today........its dreadfully slow.

8550937 · 04-30-10, 04:40 PM

i think bethorizon is a good book but maybe A

Chopsticks · 04-30-10, 05:13 PM

I agree that they are a very solid bookie. Limits are great and they don't tell you to fck off if you win. I have to agree that in general they are slow to answer e-mails. If you want top service within normal buiness hours you should e-mail Carl (cferrat@bethorizon.com) directly. His service is usually way better than what you can get with most bookies, and definitely better than the e-mail CS in general from the horizon people. I am sure that if you call them up though that they can help you fast. I had several e-mails go unanswered when I first joined them, but when Carl came along I usually got a response within minutes when he was in the office.

However, it isn't all a bed of roses. Currently they are suffering a shortage of funds in their ewallets (moneybookers and neteller), and as a result unfortunately some players have been waiting longer than they should to get their money. But while they are waiting for fresh funds to get their accounts, they did send out whatever they had in partial payments to owed players. Obviously this can also be as a result of the shift in betting market, with many people asking for withdrawals and baseball bettors are slow to get in the action.

If you look in the april payouts thread though you can see that they paid out someone next day 2x using ** very recently, so it is not like they are really slowpaying,

RichardGeorge · 04-30-10, 05:27 PM

Chopsticks, I've gotten paid next day everytime with moneygram. Haven't had an issue at all at anytime.

xyz · 04-30-10, 05:49 PM

How much did you pay in fees for your payouts, RichardGeorge?

Dark Horse · 05-01-10, 02:46 AM

From SBR info:

... bethorizon, which has a pedigree dating all the way back to the Pinnacle Sports and Heritage Sports early days ...

That's very specific terminology. What exactly is this pedigree?

Thremp · 05-01-10, 03:07 AM

The stuff about limits is an outright fabrication.

dark star · 05-01-10, 07:18 AM

BetHorizon is a place that I will try out for football-provided that Carl is still around.

Mudcat · 05-01-10, 07:28 AM

Horizon is okay. Just got a payout by wire. It was not amazingly fast. The first part came 6 days after the request, the rest came 20 days after. Not great but not horrible.

As for their pedigree, that traces directly through the Bet Atlas days which is nothing to be proud of. They screwed people around for well over a year not long ago. Carl is a nice guy but his pedigree goes through the BetJoint days. They folded. Then he was involved in drama at Bet911.

Again, nice guy - but he's a sales rep. Of course he's going to slap you on the back and tell you you look like you've been working out.

They have some decent lines on baseball and a lot of vanilla lines on other sports.

Particularly given that many of the Atlas people are still there, they should be thrilled out of their heads for a B- rating.

katstale · 05-01-10, 08:36 AM

Originally posted by Thremp

The stuff about limits is an outright fabrication.

I was really counting on you and some others to notice a bit more--shall we say, hyperbole!! lolol

RichardGeorge · 05-01-10, 09:38 AM

Originally posted by Thremp

The stuff about limits is an outright fabrication.

well whatever... i guess they just don't think I'm that sharp then.

I'm up about 80k in a month and they haven't limited me at all.... I'll definitely take that, compared to the BetManias in the world who will limit you when u show any sense of competence.

I paid 58 dollars on a 850 dollar ** withdrawal... right around the industry standard, if not a little better.

I paid 85 dollars on a 3000 bank wire.

Thremp · 05-01-10, 12:33 PM

Dude... seriously. They're a good book, but this type of shilltastic hyperbole is ****ing ridiculous.

Cferrat · 05-01-10, 02:09 PM

Originally posted by michael777

but do they ever respond to emails? i have emailed them twice and got no response

If you send your email to cferrat@bethorizon.com I will be sure to answer you right away and if need be will follow up on your concerns for you, so let me know if you need me!

Cferrat · 05-01-10, 02:11 PM

Originally posted by dark star

BetHorizon is a place that I will try out for football-provided that Carl is still around.

I will bve here if the powers that be allow me to continue here!

Cferrat · 05-01-10, 02:13 PM

Originally posted by Chopsticks

I agree that they are a very solid bookie. Limits are great and they don't tell you to fck off if you win. I have to agree that in general they are slow to answer e-mails. If you want top service within normal buiness hours you should e-mail Carl (cferrat@bethorizon.com) directly. His service is usually way better than what you can get with most bookies, and definitely better than the e-mail CS in general from the horizon people. I am sure that if you call them up though that they can help you fast. I had several e-mails go unanswered when I first joined them, but when Carl came along I usually got a response within minutes when he was in the office.

However, it isn't all a bed of roses. Currently they are suffering a shortage of funds in their ewallets (moneybookers and neteller), and as a result unfortunately some players have been waiting longer than they should to get their money. But while they are waiting for fresh funds to get their accounts, they did send out whatever they had in partial payments to owed players. Obviously this can also be as a result of the shift in betting market, with many people asking for withdrawals and baseball bettors are slow to get in the action.

If you look in the april payouts thread though you can see that they paid out someone next day 2x using ** very recently, so it is not like they are really slowpaying,

I want to thank you for the compliment and assure you that we are a top sportsbook and deal with our players as paying customers and always will!

jackkkk2009 · 05-02-10, 04:41 AM

sounds like that book is good for Winning players. thinking about signing up at the site.

RichardGeorge · 05-02-10, 08:50 AM

Originally posted by Thremp

Dude... seriously. They're a good book, but this type of shilltastic hyperbole is ****ing ridiculous.

Think what you want.... Im just a player thats happy with the book, and really feel that they don't get enough props around here. They've done alot for me in the last month so I figured I'd pay them back with a thread praising them.... They definitely didn't ask me to do this, and I definitely don't feel obligated or anything.... But I just feel like when I get a good experience (which is very rare outside of the A books), then I should post about it.... If thats what you call a shill then sure, but I've gotten treated with nothing but respect by these guys even though I have gone on the run of my life and up 80k now... So whateaver... think what you want.

Igetp2s · 05-02-10, 10:16 PM

I don;t know if anything has changed in the past year and a half, but they were extremely slow with payouts. It took dozens of phone calls to Carla to get anything accomplished.

This thread is the biggest joke I have seen at SBR in a long time. Their payout speed makes WSEX look like Pinnacle.

Their rating should be C- at best. A rating of B is a clear indication of why SBR ratings should not be trusted. The rating wasn't updated for years despite tons of new information.

Peep · 05-03-10, 12:03 AM

I'm with Thremp here.

Sounds like a ridiculous shill job for a slow paying book.

I do not believe anybody would leave 70K in this book. OP claims he does. Enough said.

Thremp · 05-03-10, 04:02 AM

I've always found them rather forthright about the withdrawal process if not as fast as possible.

Dark Horse · 05-03-10, 05:26 AM

The guy turned 200 bucks into 70K in about five weeks. lol
For comparison, he adds, he also turned 75 bucks into 7K at another book in two weeks. lol

You don't make those type of tiny deposits and build them into that type of bankroll.
The guy is not a shill. He full of sh*t. This thread is a joke.

Peep · 05-03-10, 08:05 AM

So you think the guy is mostly just shilling for himself Dark Horse? Maybe a future as a tout looms on the horizon?

That makes as much sense. Guess I really shouldn't blame Bet Horizon if he shills for himself elsewheres as well.

big joe 1212 · 05-03-10, 08:10 AM

I had a bad experience with this book. They tried every excuse not to pay me when I finally won with them.

I'd recommend staying away!

Fishhead · 05-03-10, 08:32 AM

It took me 5 weeks to recieve 8,000 from this group years ago, never returned after that headache.

playz · 05-03-10, 08:33 AM

I had a not so great experience with them a while back and if you search for it you can find it on the forum. I got paid eventually. they had lack of withdrawal options and when they offered to pay me they offered two shady options which I would never do.

I did post up with them when I saw Carl with them. But for their not so high bonuses I dont find much value in them.

katstale · 05-03-10, 08:51 AM

Originally posted by Dark Horse

The guy turned 200 bucks into 70K in about five weeks. lol
For comparison, he adds, he also turned 75 bucks into 7K at another book in two weeks. lol

You don't make those type of tiny deposits and build them into that type of bankroll.
The guy is not a shill. He full of sh*t. This thread is a joke.

I kept waiting for someone to get the true meaning of the post!! lolol

Cferrat · 05-03-10, 02:03 PM

Well all I can say is that Richard George is telling the truth, he did get his $200 to $90K and change and he has been paid out "regularly", so there it is there...We do appreciate his posts here and he will continue to be paid in a regular fashion as all our players are. I hope that you don't think that I would say this if it were not true. Thank you Richard!

RichardGeorge · 05-03-10, 07:14 PM

Originally posted by Dark Horse

The guy turned 200 bucks into 70K in about five weeks. lol For comparison, he adds, he also turned 75 bucks into 7K at another book in two weeks. lol You don't make those type of tiny deposits and build them into that type of bankroll. The guy is not a shill. He full of sh*t. This thread is a joke.

Thanks asshole... all i got is the history for the last two weeks.. but i can copy and paste all the plays for the last two weeks if u wish..

not to mention, take a screenshot of my balance if you wish.

RichardGeorge · 05-03-10, 07:14 PM

Ticket #: 563810
Apr 19 08:05 AM

MLB
STRAIGHT BET
[910] RED SOX (BOSTON) ML-172
( J NIEMANN -R / J LACKEY -R )

5160 / 3000

-5160
LOSE
LOSE
04/19/2010 07:34 AM INTERNET / -1 Ticket #: 563985
Apr 19 08:05 AM

MLB
STRAIGHT BET
[910] RED SOX (BOSTON) -1½+120
( J NIEMANN -R / J LACKEY -R )

2000 / 2400

-2000
LOSE
LOSE
04/19/2010 08:03 AM INTERNET / -1 Ticket #: 564282
Apr 19 12:00 PM

SOC
STRAIGHT BET
[8053] WEST HAM +700

1000 / 7000

-1000
LOSE
LOSE
04/19/2010 09:45 AM INTERNET / -1 Ticket #: 564283
Apr 19 12:00 PM

SOC
STRAIGHT BET
[8055] LIVERPOOL DRAW +320

1000 / 3200

-1000
LOSE
LOSE
04/19/2010 09:45 AM INTERNET / -1 Ticket #: 564751
Apr 19 04:08 PM

MLB
STRAIGHT BET
[912] BLUE JAYS (TORONTO) -113
( ACTION )

3390 / 3000

3000
WIN
WIN
04/19/2010 12:47 PM INTERNET / -1 Ticket #: 567279
Apr 19 06:41 PM

MLB
STRAIGHT BET
[906] DIAMONDBACKS (ARIZONA) +124
( ACTION )

3000 / 3720

-3000
LOSE
LOSE
04/19/2010 06:03 PM INTERNET / -1 Ticket #: 567280
Apr 19 06:41 PM

MLB
STRAIGHT BET
[906] DIAMONDBACKS (ARIZONA) +1½-140
( B PENNY -R / R LOPEZ -R )

4200 / 3000

-4200
LOSE
LOSE
04/19/2010 06:03 PM INTERNET / -1 Ticket #: 569295
Apr 20 08:00 AM

SOC
STRAIGHT BET
[7010] NYIREGYHAZA SPARTACUS FC +460

150 / 690

-150
LOSE
LOSE
04/20/2010 07:38 AM INTERNET / -1 Ticket #: 569511
Apr 20 11:45 AM

SOC
STRAIGHT BET
[8902] INTER MILAN +185

1000 / 1850

1850
WIN
WIN
04/20/2010 08:48 AM INTERNET / -1 Ticket #: 569512
Apr 20 11:45 AM

SOC
STRAIGHT BET
[8902] INTER MILAN PK+115

500 / 575

575
WIN
WIN
04/20/2010 08:48 AM INTERNET / -1 Ticket #: 571462
Apr 20 04:05 PM

MLB
STRAIGHT BET
[968] BLUE JAYS (TORONTO) -142
( ACTION )

4260 / 3000

3000
WIN
WIN
04/20/2010 02:56 PM INTERNET / -1 Ticket #: 570172
Apr 20 05:05 PM

NBA
STRAIGHT BET
[724] CELTICS (BOSTON) -1-110

3300 / 3000

3000
WIN
WIN
04/20/2010 12:09 PM INTERNET / -1 Ticket #: 570173
Apr 20 05:05 PM

NBA
STRAIGHT BET
[724] CELTICS (BOSTON) -117

2340 / 2000

2000
WIN
WIN
04/20/2010 12:09 PM INTERNET / -1 Ticket #: 574899
Apr 20 07:05 PM

NBA
STRAIGHT BET
[725] TOTAL o203½-110
(TRAIL BLAZERS (PORTLAND) vrs SUNS (PHOENIX))

1650 / 1500

1500
WIN
WIN
04/20/2010 06:56 PM INTERNET / -1 Ticket #: 576719
Apr 21 09:40 AM

MLB
STRAIGHT BET
[918] BLUE JAYS (TORONTO) -114
( ACTION )

1710 / 1500

-1710
LOSE
LOSE
04/21/2010 08:28 AM INTERNET / -1 Ticket #: 576692
Apr 21 11:45 AM

SOC
STRAIGHT BET
[8906] BAYERN MUNICH -165

1650 / 1000

1000
WIN
WIN
04/21/2010 08:24 AM INTERNET / -1 Ticket #: 579580
Apr 21 03:53 PM

MLB
STRAIGHT BET
[901] GIANTS (SAN FRANCISCO) +118
( ACTION )

2000 / 2360

-2000
LOSE
LOSE
04/21/2010 03:32 PM INTERNET / -1 Ticket #: 579702
Apr 21 04:05 PM

NHL
STRAIGHT BET
[52] BRUINS (BOSTON) -125

3750 / 3000

3000
WIN
WIN
04/21/2010 03:39 PM INTERNET / -1 Ticket #: 579327
Apr 21 04:11 PM

MLB
STRAIGHT BET
[910] BRAVES (ATLANTA) +135
( R HALLADAY -R / T HUDSON -R )

3000 / 4050

-3000
LOSE
LOSE
04/21/2010 03:19 PM INTERNET / -1 Ticket #: 579640
Apr 21 04:11 PM

MLB
STRAIGHT BET
[907] TOTAL o8½-120 (DODGERS (LOS ANGELES) vrs REDS (CINCINNATI))
( H KURODA -R / A HARANG -R )

1200 / 1000

1000
WIN
WIN
04/21/2010 03:34 PM INTERNET / -1 Ticket #: 581270
Apr 21 06:42 PM

MLB
STRAIGHT BET
[916] DIAMONDBACKS (ARIZONA) +128
( ACTION )

3000 / 3840

-3000
LOSE
LOSE
04/21/2010 05:48 PM INTERNET / -1 Ticket #: 581275
Apr 21 06:42 PM

MLB
STRAIGHT BET
[916] DIAMONDBACKS (ARIZONA) +1½-135
( CARPENTER -R / E JACKSON -R )

4050 / 3000

-4050
LOSE
LOSE
04/21/2010 05:50 PM INTERNET / -1 Ticket #: 581271
Apr 21 07:05 PM

MLB
STRAIGHT BET
[927] TIGERS (DETROIT) +164
( ACTION )

3000 / 4920

4920
WIN
WIN
04/21/2010 05:48 PM INTERNET / -1 Ticket #: 581276
Apr 21 07:05 PM

MLB
STRAIGHT BET
[927] TIGERS (DETROIT) +1½-135
( BONDERMAN -R / JER WEAVER -R )

4050 / 3000

3000
WIN
WIN
04/21/2010 05:50 PM INTERNET / -1 Ticket #: 583518
Apr 22 09:35 AM

MLB
STRAIGHT BET
[952] PIRATES (PITTSBURGH) +153
( ACTION )

3000 / 4590

-3000
LOSE
LOSE
04/22/2010 08:23 AM INTERNET / -1 Ticket #: 583774
Apr 22 09:35 AM

MLB
STRAIGHT BET
[952] PIRATES (PITTSBURGH) +1½-110
( R WOLF -L / D MCCUTCHE -R )

3300 / 3000

-3300
LOSE
LOSE
04/22/2010 09:08 AM INTERNET / -1 Ticket #: 584513
Apr 22 12:00 PM

MLB
STRAIGHT BET
[966] ATHLETICS (OAKLAND) +167
( ACTION )

3000 / 5010

5010
WIN
WIN
04/22/2010 11:05 AM INTERNET / -1 Ticket #: 584514
Apr 22 12:00 PM

MLB
STRAIGHT BET
[966] ATHLETICS (OAKLAND) +1½-105
( C SABATHIA -L / D BRADEN -L )

3150 / 3000

3000
WIN
WIN
04/22/2010 11:05 AM INTERNET / -1 Ticket #: 585913
Apr 22 04:10 PM

MLB
STRAIGHT BET
[960] BRAVES (ATLANTA) -142
( ACTION )

4260 / 3000

-4260
LOSE
LOSE
04/22/2010 02:52 PM INTERNET / -1 Ticket #: 587873
Apr 22 05:10 PM

MLB
STRAIGHT BET
[969] RAYS (TAMPA BAY) -109
( J SHIELDS -R / J PEAVY -R )

3270 / 3000

3000
WIN
WIN
04/22/2010 05:06 PM INTERNET / -1 Ticket #: 589015
Apr 22 07:15 PM

NBA
STRAIGHT BET
[737] SUNS (PHOENIX) +1-110

3300 / 3000

3000
WIN
WIN
04/22/2010 07:07 PM INTERNET / -1 Ticket #: 589016
Apr 22 07:15 PM

NBA
STRAIGHT BET
[737] SUNS (PHOENIX) EV

2000 / 2000

2000
WIN
WIN
04/22/2010 07:07 PM LUISULLOA / 0
DISBPAYOUT MB

-908

04/23/2010 10:33 AMLUISULLOA / 0
DISBPAYOUT MB

-908

04/23/2010 10:34 AMINTERNET / -1 Ticket #: 591646
Apr 23 04:15 AM

NBA
STRAIGHT BET
[501] CELTICS (BOSTON) +4-110

3300 / 3000

3000
WIN
WIN
04/23/2010 01:27 PM INTERNET / -1 Ticket #: 591647
Apr 23 04:15 AM

NBA
STRAIGHT BET
[501] CELTICS (BOSTON) +160

2000 / 3200

3200
WIN
WIN
04/23/2010 01:27 PM INTERNET / -1 Ticket #: 595432
Apr 23 07:20 AM

MLB
STRAIGHT BET
[916] GIANTS (SAN FRANCISCO) -152
( ACTION )

4560 / 3000

3000
WIN
WIN
04/23/2010 06:57 PM INTERNET / -1 Ticket #: 590070
Apr 23 07:30 AM

MU
STRAIGHT BET
[4123] E SCHWANK +475
(E SCHWANK vrs R SODERLING)

150 / 713

-150
LOSE
LOSE
04/23/2010 07:17 AM INTERNET / -1 Ticket #: 590207
Apr 23 08:15 AM

NBA
STRAIGHT BET
[13951] HEMOFARM +6½-125

188 / 150

150
WIN
WIN
04/23/2010 08:14 AM INTERNET / -1 Ticket #: 590240
Apr 23 09:00 AM

SOC
STRAIGHT BET
[7135] 1. FC KAISERSLAUTERN DRAW +265

150 / 398

-150
LOSE
LOSE
04/23/2010 08:20 AM INTERNET / -1 Ticket #: 590241
Apr 23 09:00 AM

SOC
STRAIGHT BET
[7139] FC ST PAULI DRAW +280

150 / 420

-150
LOSE
LOSE
04/23/2010 08:20 AM INTERNET / -1 Ticket #: 590242
Apr 23 09:00 AM

SOC
STRAIGHT BET
[7143] KARLSRUHER SC DRAW +280

150 / 420

-150
LOSE
LOSE
04/23/2010 08:20 AM INTERNET / -1 Ticket #: 590235
Apr 23 11:30 AM

SOC
STRAIGHT BET
[7123] KV KORTRIJK DRAW +205

150 / 308

-150
LOSE
LOSE
04/23/2010 08:20 AM INTERNET / -1 Ticket #: 596686
Apr 24 07:00 AM

SOC
STRAIGHT BET
[8023] WOLVERHAMPTON DRAW +205

1000 / 2050

2050
WIN
WIN
04/24/2010 04:56 AM INTERNET / -1 Ticket #: 597948
Apr 24 10:11 AM

MLB
STRAIGHT BET
[956] REDS (CINCINNATI) -113
( ACTION )

3390 / 3000

-3390
LOSE
LOSE
04/24/2010 09:16 AM INTERNET / -1 Ticket #: 597947
Apr 24 10:11 AM

MLB
STRAIGHT BET
[954] METS (NEW YORK) +119
( ACTION )

3000 / 3570

3570
WIN
WIN
04/24/2010 09:16 AM INTERNET / -1 Ticket #: 600994
Apr 24 01:49 PM

NBA
STRAIGHT BET
[509] SUNS (PHOENIX) -1½-110

3300 / 3000

-3300
LOSE
LOSE
04/24/2010 01:37 PM DJIMENEZ / 2802 Ticket #: 602863
Apr 24 06:05 PM

MLB
STRAIGHT BET
[966] GIANTS (SAN FRANCISCO) ML+144
( WAINWRIGHT -R / B ZITO -L )

3000 / 4320

4320
WIN
WIN
04/24/2010 04:42 PM INTERNET / -1 Ticket #: 605119
Apr 25 07:00 AM

SOC
STRAIGHT BET
[8035] BURNLEY FC DRAW +270

1000 / 2700

-1000
LOSE
LOSE
04/25/2010 06:45 AM INTERNET / -1 Ticket #: 605120
Apr 25 07:00 AM

SOC
STRAIGHT BET
[8039] EVERTON DRAW +290

1000 / 2900

-1000
LOSE
LOSE
04/25/2010 06:45 AM INTERNET / -1 Ticket #: 606259
Apr 25 10:11 AM

MLB
STRAIGHT BET
[902] REDS (CINCINNATI) EV
( ACTION )

3000 / 3000

3000
WIN
WIN
04/25/2010 09:00 AM INTERNET / -1 Ticket #: 606260
Apr 25 10:11 AM

MLB
STRAIGHT BET
[902] REDS (CINCINNATI) +1½-165
( C RICHARD -L / H BAILEY -R )

4950 / 3000

3000
WIN
WIN
04/25/2010 09:00 AM INTERNET / -1 Ticket #: 609358
Apr 25 12:42 PM

NBA
STRAIGHT BET
[518] BULLS (CHICAGO) +5½-110

3300 / 3000

-3300
LOSE
LOSE
04/25/2010 12:39 PM INTERNET / -1 Ticket #: 609909
Apr 25 02:08 PM

MLB
STRAIGHT BET
[910] ROCKIES (COLORADO) -160
( ACTION )

4800 / 3000

3000
WIN
WIN
04/25/2010 01:57 PM INTERNET / -1 Ticket #: 611294
Apr 25 05:09 PM

MLB
STRAIGHT BET
[916] METS (NEW YORK) +106
( ACTION )

3000 / 3180

3180
WIN
WIN
04/25/2010 04:24 PM TATIANA / 2304 Ticket #: 612342
Apr 25 06:48 PM

NBA
STRAIGHT BET
[521] NUGGETS (DENVER) +2½-110

825 / 750

-825
LOSE
LOSE
04/25/2010 06:44 PM TATIANA / 2304 Ticket #: 612343
Apr 25 06:48 PM

NBA
STRAIGHT BET
[521] NUGGETS (DENVER) ML+125

2000 / 2500

-2000
LOSE
LOSE
04/25/2010 06:44 PM