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    lonnie55
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    Name your broker for Asian books

    I think we all know the established brokers

    AsianConnect
    Sportmarket
    BetFootball
    Bet-IBC
    BetInAsia

    Do you know others? How are your experiences with them? Can you mention pros and cons? Which one would you recommend?

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    Lonnie, I added https://www.odsy88.com/ to my mix when AC88 had the orbitx issues and have found them to be excellent so far...BTC payouts are 10 mins and very good CS...Small sample of only few months but so far so good

    Winfair/Moutbet exchange is what i have been using
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    Been using Premiumtradings for many years without any issue at all.
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    I was using AC for a very long time, then I tried Sportmarket and now I primarily use VIP-IBC because of their better limits. Not saying they are more reliable than others, it's rather the opposite. Their fee policy is frankly speaking ridiculous and the better limits obviously come from position taking which is rather a warning signal. However, I don't want to miss the maximum possible limits at Pinnacle and take the risk of an exit scam.


    @Alfa Did you notice the 1bet 18bet Babibet thing? Same company like PT. I considered to give them a try a while ago but now I am a bit worried
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    I would really like to understand better the relationships between Agent and books/exchanges they offer...I like many here have had investigations for nonsense with little explanation why...Do the white label exchanges just not communicate with agents well? Seems to me the two should always have good open line of communication but they dont..

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    Quote Originally Posted by lonnie55 View Post
    I was using AC for a very long time, then I tried Sportmarket and now I primarily use VIP-IBC because of their better limits. Not saying they are more reliable than others, it's rather the opposite. Their fee policy is frankly speaking ridiculous and the better limits obviously come from position taking which is rather a warning signal. However, I don't want to miss the maximum possible limits at Pinnacle and take the risk of an exit scam.


    @Alfa Did you notice the 1bet 18bet Babibet thing? Same company like PT. I considered to give them a try a while ago but now I am a bit worried
    Yep followed it. I actually spoke to PT support about it and they say they have noted it, they are no longer the same company. Never had an issue with my 18bet (agent) account.
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    Quote Originally Posted by littlekona View Post
    I would really like to understand better the relationships between Agent and books/exchanges they offer...I like many here have had investigations for nonsense with little explanation why...Do the white label exchanges just not communicate with agents well? Seems to me the two should always have good open line of communication but they dont..
    They are only agents who take commission with 0 responsibility

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    Quote Originally Posted by littlekona View Post
    I would really like to understand better the relationships between Agent and books/exchanges they offer...I like many here have had investigations for nonsense with little explanation why...Do the white label exchanges just not communicate with agents well? Seems to me the two should always have good open line of communication but they dont..
    Agents are the white labels customers.

    Much like books are suspicious of players taking advantage of them, the white labels can be sus of the agents.

    It's not a simple relationship in some cases. How does a white label know if it is the agent or an anon customer when issues come up? If the book tells the agent exactly how they have been exploited, how can they be sure the agent wont use that info against them? So it can be tough getting real info third down the chain sometimes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Optional View Post
    Agents are the white labels customers.

    Much like books are suspicious of players taking advantage of them, the white labels can be sus of the agents.

    It's not a simple relationship in some cases. How does a white label know if it is the agent or an anon customer when issues come up? If the book tells the agent exactly how they have been exploited, how can they be sure the agent wont use that info against them? So it can be tough getting real info third down the chain sometimes.
    that seems logical the suspicions...thankfully you have a connections with AC88.. I have feeling betfair will play big role in USA very soon with sp many states approving

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    Quote Originally Posted by Optional View Post
    Agents are the white labels customers.
    Much like books are suspicious of players taking advantage of them, the white labels can be sus of the agents.
    .
    You not working for bookmakers so cant know what they really doing
    Last edited by piterp; 09-10-19 at 09:26 AM.

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    I live in Vietnam and it's crazy in this part of the world with the gambling!

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    Quote Originally Posted by lonnie55 View Post
    I think we all know the established brokers

    AsianConnect
    Sportmarket
    BetFootball
    Bet-IBC
    BetInAsia

    Do you know others? How are your experiences with them? Can you mention pros and cons? Which one would you recommend?
    VODDS. I can't say much about VODDS as I never used them. Only had trial account with them. But they seem to be reliable as they've been on the market for many years. They keep sending me emails though I don't use their platform and in one of the recent emails they said they had added a new book to their platform. Chinese book called ShiBo. It seems VODDS is the only agent who offers this book. By the way, has anyone ever heard anything about ShiBo?

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    Premiumtradings - only problem is their bitcoin deposits/payouts

    stay away from bet-ibc

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    Quote Originally Posted by lonnie55 View Post
    I think we all know the established brokers

    AsianConnect
    Sportmarket
    BetFootball
    Bet-IBC
    BetInAsia

    Do you know others? How are your experiences with them? Can you mention pros and cons? Which one would you recommend?
    I just found out that BetFootball offers M8bet book's accounts. It seems BetFootball is the only broker who offers this book. Any idea if this book is worth trying?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yulia74 View Post
    stay away from bet-ibc
    What is your experience with them?

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    i think bet-ibc has the highest fees

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    Does anyone know which broker has the highest Pinnacle limits?

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    I Use AC88 /Asianodds, the top asian bookies in one account, fees are low, payments really fast, not super happy with software, the app for mobile crashes allot, but overall love the product, I think they should add a few others bookies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lonnie55 View Post
    Does anyone know which broker has the highest Pinnacle limits?
    probably Mollybet

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruifgalmeida View Post
    probably Mollybet
    Mollybet is the developer of the multi-betting platform used by many brokers

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    Voods is good to have.

    Double ISN limits as they have SBC which is ISN clone
    Crownbet instead of Singbet which means 0.01 better odds
    Shibo which is Dafabet clone with 0.01 lower odds. They do void like singbet.
    Double limits for Pinnacle

    The downside is platform is not ideal as it takes longer to load compared to SM, and if you follow bets odds most propably will gone till you stake via vodds. Mollybet much better platform but limits are bigger in vodds. Sbo limits also half on vodds as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Motorhead11 View Post
    Voods is good to have.

    Double ISN limits as they have SBC which is ISN clone
    Crownbet instead of Singbet which means 0.01 better odds
    Shibo which is Dafabet clone with 0.01 lower odds. They do void like singbet.
    Double limits for Pinnacle

    The downside is platform is not ideal as it takes longer to load compared to SM, and if you follow bets odds most propably will gone till you stake via vodds. Mollybet much better platform but limits are bigger in vodds. Sbo limits also half on vodds as well.

    https://imgur.com/a/fGJ025J
    https://imgur.com/a/fxE8PT7
    Dafabet is IBC clone. So basically Shibo is IBC clone with 0.01 lower odds, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by craftbrewer View Post
    Dafabet is IBC clone. So basically Shibo is IBC clone with 0.01 lower odds, right?
    Yes.

    What i noticed though is that sometimes you can't place bets on both books simultaneously as odds are moving from first hit on IBC. Even if you remove IBC and hit Shibo, odds are moving on both as well. On the other hand, noticed 2 minutes delay between crownbet and singbet.

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    Does anyone knows where I could get real Pinnacle account. Or PS3838 accounts with full limit ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Motorhead11 View Post
    Voods is good to have.

    Double ISN limits as they have SBC which is ISN clone
    Crownbet instead of Singbet which means 0.01 better odds
    Shibo which is Dafabet clone with 0.01 lower odds. They do void like singbet.
    Double limits for Pinnacle

    The downside is platform is not ideal as it takes longer to load compared to SM, and if you follow bets odds most propably will gone till you stake via vodds. Mollybet much better platform but limits are bigger in vodds. Sbo limits also half on vodds as well.

    https://imgur.com/a/fGJ025J
    https://imgur.com/a/fxE8PT7
    Being able to place a bet at SBC and ISN at the same odds is not possible 99% of the times I've tried so having both of them is effectively useless. Double limits for Pinnacle is not true once they identify you as sharp, happened as quickly as with any Mollybet agent for me so only usefull for a little while.
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    And just to confirm things haven't changed, of all mentioned in the entire thread, the only ones allowing anon/bit signup are the two 88's?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Motorhead11 View Post
    Voods is good to have.

    Double ISN limits as they have SBC which is ISN clone
    Crownbet instead of Singbet which means 0.01 better odds
    Shibo which is Dafabet clone with 0.01 lower odds. They do void like singbet.
    Double limits for Pinnacle

    The downside is platform is not ideal as it takes longer to load compared to SM, and if you follow bets odds most propably will gone till you stake via vodds. Mollybet much better platform but limits are bigger in vodds. Sbo limits also half on vodds as well.

    https://imgur.com/a/fGJ025J
    https://imgur.com/a/fxE8PT7
    What are the fees for VOdds?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alfa1234 View Post
    Being able to place a bet at SBC and ISN at the same odds is not possible 99% of the times I've tried so having both of them is effectively useless. Double limits for Pinnacle is not true once they identify you as sharp, happened as quickly as with any Mollybet agent for me so only usefull for a little while.
    I am having vodds last 2 months only and my sample is small so can't speak with certainty. Haven't noticed what you wrote though. Even yesterday's bet was placed fine on both SBC and ISN


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    How are your experiences with Skype betting at any broker who offers it? Is it worth it? How much worse are the odds compared to regular betting?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Motorhead11 View Post
    I am having vodds last 2 months only and my sample is small so can't speak with certainty. Haven't noticed what you wrote though. Even yesterday's bet was placed fine on both SBC and ISN


    https://imgur.com/a/DVbr2Ti
    Strange, I see you simply place it in 1 bet too. I was already wondering if it would be possible by disabling ISN and then placing the bet at SBC first, then enable ISN again, but never tried it...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alfa1234 View Post
    Strange, I see you simply place it in 1 bet too. I was already wondering if it would be possible by disabling ISN and then placing the bet at SBC first, then enable ISN again, but never tried it...
    Haven't tried it either as i haven't noticed same issue. Tried it with IBC/Shibo but it didn't worked

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    Is anyone familiar with pollytrading.com? They looks interesting with the cash-out option plus many unknown books as well.

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    Lone Rock Holdings N.V. - same main company as BetInAsia

    It seems all Mollybet agents have advised customers about SBO and IBC bs.
    Very bad, hope something is done to fix that.

    edit:
    "Pollytrading is built upon the Mollybet API, using the entire bets placing system of Mollybet platform."

    So 99% BIA software for trading. Odds must be slashed as, from what I know, Molly API is super expensive and can't imagine that BIA will take the hit on those fees.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alfie White View Post
    Lone Rock Holdings N.V. - same main company as BetInAsia

    It seems all Mollybet agents have advised customers about SBO and IBC bs.
    Very bad, hope something is done to fix that.

    edit:
    "Pollytrading is built upon the Mollybet API, using the entire bets placing system of Mollybet platform."

    So 99% BIA software for trading. Odds must be slashed as, from what I know, Molly API is super expensive and can't imagine that BIA will take the hit on those fees.
    Indeed, is same company as BIA. On a side note, you can have same odds in BIA if you register via arbusers

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    I've seen multiple reports that they tend to ignore emails for days until some ADMIN slaps them and tells them to "answer the email, please"; I find that appalling and unacceptable. Simply not my cup of tea.

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