Lines2bet GM slams BetFirstClass

[Son of Sam]

Previously, Ignoranti (Lex/Ryan) posted that "BetFirstClass has new management after its acquisition of Lines2Bet so that's a plus! They retained its GM Lex." in the following thread lay 104.

Now (Lex/Ryan) is quoted as saying,......"We can not speak for sister books BetFirstClass nor Lay104 which are owned and operated separately from us." And he continues with "It may be a good time to steer clear of BetFirstClass or Lay104 until this matter is resolved. They are managed separately." http://sportsbookreview.wordpress.com/

Wow, when the GM of BFC throws BFC under the bus and now claims to be a completely separate entity from BFC, it may be time to steer clear of all companies under the BFC umbrella!!!

It should be noted that the blog is in no way affiliated with SBR. It is a site started up by Docta Ignoranti/Lex/Ryan (GM of Lines2bet) to pump up his book, his form of viral marketing.

[Chopsticks]

The "It may be a good time to steer clear of BetFirstClass or Lay104 until this matter is resolved. They are managed separately." part is not out of Lines2bet GM's mouth, it is out of the mouth of the author of the blog. Judge pointed this out on another forum so don't know why you would post it here.

If you read it again I am sure you will see it too. Read the rest of the paragraph, both the sentence before and after the "stay clear" warning makes it clear that it is the view of SBRB and not coming out of anyone related to l2b. Read the bold parts.

Currently SBRB has no outstanding complaints for Lines2Bet. It may be a good time to steer clear of BetFirstClass or Lay104 until this matter is resolved. They are managed separately. Any player that is having issues getting paid or has any other complaint are strongly encouraged to contact us here so we can mediate on your behalf.

I am not sure if the "new management" part of the story qualifies as a slamming. But clearly the "steer clear" warning is from SBRB and not anyone else.

[Son of Sam]

But clearly the "steer clear" warning is from SBRB and not anyone else.

That is the part that is tricky. I look at it as coming from one person because the blog belongs to Lexington Mason/Docta Ignoranti (GM of Lines2bet). If you notice since the blog started over the summer the one book that is pumped as the next great thing is Lines2bet. He is trying to lead people to believe that this is some SBR like blog doing an interview with him when in reality it is himself. It conjures up images of him standing in front of a mirror with a robe saying ¨It puts the lotion in the basket¨.

I guess the alarming thing for me is that when things were going good he talked about BFC acquiring Lines2bet and retaining Lex as its GM. One bad incident though and he is running for cover and trying to distance himself from the parent company. Lex is acting like a rat deserting a sinking ship before it has taken on any serious water. I can only imagine how happy BFC is right now knowing they have Lex as a GM.

[michael777]

bottom line is betfirstclass and lines2bet should be avoided at all cost ,thejudge stiffed me out of $3,000 last year and i hope that scumbag mike gets an 11 incher up his ass and rots in prison

[Chopsticks]

That is the part that is tricky. I look at it as coming from one person because the blog belongs to Lexington Mason/Docta Ignoranti (GM of Lines2bet). If you notice since the blog started over the summer the one book that is pumped as the next great thing is Lines2bet.

That is very interesting if you look at it from that point of view.. I actually came across the blog a while ago actually when I was looking up info on lines2bet.

The blog is certainly not run by SBR people. They are too direct for that, for instance calling Betsportsweb a scam, and some ongoing coverage about how Bet911 is going under and that they are slowpaying. SBR do report things about BSW every now and then, but I don't think they have said they were a scam. Also it wouldn't make sense at all for SBR to upgrade Bet911 to C grade while at the same time bashing them in their blog.

Hopefully someone in the know can let us know who runs the blog. The blog does use the SBR logo, but refer to themselves as SBRB.

[Chopsticks]

That is the part that is tricky. I look at it as coming from one person because the blog belongs to Lexington Mason/Docta Ignoranti (GM of Lines2bet). If you notice since the blog started over the summer the one book that is pumped as the next great thing is Lines2bet.

That is very interesting if you look at it from that point of view.. I actually came across the blog a while ago actually when I was looking up info on lines2bet.

The blog is certainly not run by SBR people. They are too direct for that, for instance calling Betsportsweb a scam, and some ongoing coverage about how Bet911 is going under and that they are slowpaying. SBR do report things about BSW every now and then, but I don't think they have said they were a scam. Also it wouldn't make sense at all for SBR to upgrade Bet911 to C grade while at the same time bashing them in their blog. Bet911 have had their share of bonus complaints, but not a slowpay report for since spring 2009 maybe.

Hopefully someone in the know can let us know who runs the blog. The blog does use the SBR logo, but refer to themselves as SBRB.

[Son of Sam]

He figures by going to wordpress and making a blog and attaching the Sportsbookreview name to it will give him some sort of legitimacy. The only problem with it is like you said he is almost to direct with it. If all you do is pump up your book and bash the same other ones that you have an obvious agenda against then people will see right through it. (Lex/Ryan/DoctaIgnoranti) was fired from Betsportsweb over the summer and from there he started Lines2bet that was later absorbed by BFC. This blog of his is a cheesy form of viral marketing that he is now using to throw his current host under the bus with.

[Ravy Pacer]

bottom line is betfirstclass and lines2bet should be avoided at all cost ,thejudge stiffed me out of $3,000 last year and i hope that scumbag mike gets an 11 incher up his ass and rots in prison

Mike would you please pm me at EOG and explain the above to me. dustdevil is name there.

[The Judge]

bottom line is betfirstclass and lines2bet should be avoided at all cost ,thejudge stiffed me out of $3,000 last year.

This is a blatant lie and I have no idea who the hell you are.

[katstale]

Glad to see you in here defending yourself. Any updates that are concrete relating to BFC?

[SBR Lou]

That is very interesting if you look at it from that point of view.. I actually came across the blog a while ago actually when I was looking up info on lines2bet. The blog is certainly not run by SBR people. They are too direct for that, for instance calling Betsportsweb a scam, and some ongoing coverage about how Bet911 is going under and that they are slowpaying. SBR do report things about BSW every now and then, but I don't think they have said they were a scam. Also it wouldn't make sense at all for SBR to upgrade Bet911 to C grade while at the same time bashing them in their blog. Hopefully someone in the know can let us know who runs the blog. The blog does use the SBR logo, but refer to themselves as SBRB.

SportsBookReview.com has absolutely no affiliation to or working relationship with "SBRB Blog".

[frankthetank]

LOL

bottom line is betfirstclass and lines2bet should be avoided at all cost ,thejudge stiffed me out of $3,000 last year and i hope that scumbag mike gets an 11 incher up his ass and rots in prison

totally hilarious. the guy BFC Mike is a ****ing joke

[Son of Sam]

How interesting that lines2bet GM Lex (Ryan/Ignoranti) has not chimed in on this thread, even though it deals directly with how he threw BFC under the bus by : a) distancing himself from BFC and claiming lines2bet and BFC are separately owned and operated when he previously trumpeted that BFC had bought lines2bet and retained him as management; b) by telling bettors to stay away from BFC now that they have no-pay and slow pay complaints.

The other interesting thing is that lines2bet GM Lex has not said anything about his controlling/operating the SBRB Blog. I mean this thread makes it pretty clear how Lex (Ryan/Ignorante) has mislead people into believing it was independent of lines2bet and somehow affiliated with SBR. Where is the denial?

I guess it won't be coming since Crazy Lou posted in this thread that "SportsBookReview.com has absolutely no affiliation to or working relationship with "SBRB Blog"

And since Lex wrote one of the original articles on SBRB Blog in September 2009 which follows:

Sportsbooks like The Greek and 5Dimes have developed a deserved following over the years. They used keen technological insight and old- school bookmaking practices to offer players a safe and convenient betting platform.
They understood what players wanted, a variety of betting options and no hassle payouts. Other offshore sportsbook were successful as well in providing the same key elements without to many hiccups.
In todays offshore betting environment the cards are stacking up against the big operators. Things have changed, ask any operator in any region of the world and you will get the same answer.
“It’s not like the old days”.
Bookmakers are dealing with heavy handed governments, player fraud, rogue credit card companies, a shrinking “recreational” player pool and sophisticated technologies that have hinder operations.
Want to know why I don’t bet at the massive BoDog.com? http://www.citypaper.com/news/story.asp?id=18640
In the last two years BoDog has been entrenched in all sorts of drama. Credit card companies running away with its money, losing the actual franchise name, major banking seizures, and a high profile owner/ego maniac has made them a global target.
True they have survived more than the BOS debacle, but players have suffered through slow pays and the company moved away from Costa Rica last year. Is more to come after this latest seizure?
It’s a great question and really lies at the belly of this beast. Should I look for that “diamond in the rough” sportsbook or continue to hold my breath and see if I can get my money out after then next round of seizures or arrest?
Anyone want to forget BetOnSports be my guest. If your delusional about what really happened you better get your facts straight. Gary Kaplan did not steal money from player accounts. The US government took the money in your best interest while the British company who bought BOS ran away from its obligations to its players, its own CEO, and thousands of employees in Costa Rica scrambling to survive.
Enter the niche/sportsbook who normally operates under the radar. Most veteran sports bettors will tell you to stay clear from new books. Many times they are right, but on occasions you will find a special operator who deserves your business.
Oddly enough, many of the same people who tell you to run have accounts at the new shops. Obviously there is a reason for this.
Do you really think only dumb people play at Dimeline, Bet911, BetFirstClass, or Sportsbook? Of course not, many players jump at the chance to snag a 100% match deposit and take the ride. It’s true players search out value, but they also hedge there chances of not receiving their money as well.
Why do gamblers take the leap?
Most new books are out to prove they have what it takes and usually offer the things you want because they value your business more. Faster payouts, bigger bonuses, free payouts, better lines and great perks are at your finger tips if you have a little courage.
Before you jump in and send the mortgage payment you should be aware of what you’re getting into and what to look out for.
One
Never play at a sportsbook that copies content from other sites. Terms and conditions, privacy statements and other information are important because they govern your play. If someone copies these important regulations they most likely do not intend to commit to them either.
Two
Don’t play at a site that looks like a Fisher Price toy or 1990’s website. No web development means no money.
Three
If its to good to be true it is. Sure tons of decent sites offer 100% “free play” bonuses, but none to my knowledge offer a 100% “Cash” bonus let alone a tiny rollover. If someone offers a giant cash bonus run unless it has a 75 x rollover.
Four
Affiliation with well known scammers. Why put a sportsbook on a server block with scam books? Why would an operator pay price per head with a known scam PPH shop? Why would a solid outfit pay a scam sports software provider to service its lines and bets online? They wouldnt thats why.
Five
Its 2 in the afternoon and no one answers the phone… Live chat is never “live” and no one returns your emails. Stay clear.
Finally, its nice to be a name not just a number. You play with a mega book like Bookmaker or one of the massive Euro books like BWIN your exactly that, a number. Players are caught up in the “volume” washing machine without even knowing it and they suffer because of it. If your not betting 100k a day your not getting the service you deserve.
At least with a smaller sportsbook like Lines2bet you’re getting personalized customer service, better lines and great betting perks.
In the end its really about personal choices, gauging a company that might be a scam and getting what you really deserve out of an offshore operator.
These are just a few tips to help gauge when to jump in or when not to jump in. If you need a recommendation for a place to play I will be happy to assist you.
Lexington Mason
sportsbookreview.wordpress.com

[Chopsticks]

It could just very well be a coincidence, but l2b is listed at the top of SBRb's bonus page. Admittedly the author of the page notes that there are downsides to taking the bonus. After briefly looking over the terms I wouldn't say that the L2B bonus deserves to be on top of the page. Anyway, whoever runs the site should be ashamed of themselves for pretending to be the extended arm of SBR.

http://sportsbookreview.wordpress.com/top-bonus-books/

Also the SBRB have their own grades. FWIW they have L2B as a C bookie - http://sportsbookreview.wordpress.com/grades/

Also on that page if you look at the text links under "Blogroll", two out of all three of those links seems to take you to l2b or a blog that promotes l2b lines (for the middle one you have to click the "Back to nflbet's blog" when the logon screen appears). I am not sure how those ads work (if they even are ads), and it may very well just show up as l2b pages for me because I have visited the l2b site and there is some sort of cookie/ad thingy going on.

I don't really know what to think re: the partnership vs non partnership and all some of the history and current drama with these people. I am still playing at BFC and I have been for a few months now. Obviously the slowpay report by another poster has made me a bit uneased about keeping a balance there. It is "only" around $1500 but it is still money. Say what you will about some of the excuses and alledged food poisoning (or whatever it was), but I really like The Judge and he was the reason I posted up with BetFirstClass in the first place. If he says that everything is ok then I want to believe him.

I am at $100 win limits and on a delay anyway so maybe it is time to call it quits. I have really liked some of their numbers for certain certain things the last few days though, but I guess it is pretty pointless if there is even a remote chance of not getting paid.

[Son of Sam]

Well, not surprsingly, Lex (Ryan/Ignorante) has not posted anything in this thread since I outed Lex as the person who controls that sham blog SBRB. However, he and the Judge have posted at peepsplace; and, The Judge also posted another comment on SBRB blog.

First, in his peepsplace post, Lex the lying loser (Ryan/Ignorante) called me a coward and then said. “Just so you know, Mike was aware of the blog and what I wrote and did not write in it. I stand behind my quote and you can continue to reach and say things to discredit me all you want. If you look hard enough you will find negative attributes on anyone. I think you should look in your mirror first, but try not to break it.”

Well, for the first time Lex FINALLY admits the obvious, that he is behind the Sham SBRB Blog and that he has some Negative Attibutes. Notice, however, how he continues to throw BFC under the bus (by standing by his quote) and now also throws Mike under the bus by claiming Mike was fully aware, and therefore, tacitly approved of Lex’s involvement in that sham blog! And, he does it when Mike is locked up and can’t refute it…..Tell me Lex, who’s the coward? You loser!

Second, poor The Judge (who apparently was also conned by Lex) wrote this on peepsplace after he read the article written by Lex in September 2009 in SBRB: “You've been waiting all day for this haven't you, Sammy boy. Interesting article, to say the least.” Again, a tacit recognition of the reality that Lex runs this SCAM blog and The Judge was conned by Lex’s deception.

Then, The Judge posted the following comment on SBRB Blog: “Apparently I had this blog confused with a more reputable source of information. My apologies are extended to that organization.” Again, a resignation to the truth that SBRB Blog is a SCAM blog operated by this loser Lex who shamelessly tried to capitalize off the good name and reputation of SBR. Also, a recognition by The Judge that he was conned by this creap Lex. But I have to give The Judge credit, he was enough of a stand up guy to extend his apologies to SBR. Props to you The Judge! And no hard feelings on my part.

Unlike The Judge, who is stand up enough to admit when he is wrong and extend an apology, Lex the lying loser does not apologize at all. I mean, where are Lex’s apologies? First to SBR for trying to associate that SHAM blog with SBR? Second, to the members of this forum for his continued lies and deceptions? Third, to the readers of his Sham blog who believed like The Judge and Chopstick that they were reading information from a reputable source? Fourth, to the sportsbooks that he shamelessly bashed in an effort to discredit them and promote his own self interests? And, finally, to the players at lines2bet who mistakenly believed that lines2bet had an “honest” “trustworthy” GM?

The silence from Lex the lying loser, piece of sh*t GM of lines2bet is deafening! My bet is he doesn’t have the balls to post any apology anywhere to anybody. Any takers?