seeking advice - re. a sb that double-paid me

trumpdown · 03-18-10, 11:16 AM

You answered your own question about appreciating and respecting the book, so up to you. They will probably give you a bonus for pointing it out. GL

michael777 · 03-18-10, 11:44 AM

happened to me,i got 2 fedex checks instead of 1,i told them about it right away,got nothing for it but it was still the right thing to do

BigDaddy · 03-18-10, 11:57 AM

tell them.

ncat12 · 03-18-10, 12:05 PM

yeah u know what to do besides a lot of these books are probally inter-twine...dont live up to ur name

Dirty Bay Player · 03-18-10, 12:15 PM

Yep. Agreed that it's the right thing to do. I guess the only voice in my head saying otherwise is all the monkey business b.s. that I've gotten from books historically paying out. But the fact is that these guys have always been honest. And if you expect your book to be square with you, you can't play by different rules.

Dirty Bay Player · 03-18-10, 12:37 PM

It was Bookmaker, by the way, and it was $6,500. Working out the arrangements with how to return to them. Damn it hurts to give that money back. Right thing to do notwithstanding - that's a lot of coin, and it's just torture to see it sitting in your bank acct one minute and then (about to be) gone the next.

Toit · 03-18-10, 01:28 PM

Good man!
Hope they give you a nice juicy bonus to reward your honesty.

RickySteve · 03-18-10, 02:01 PM

I love Bookmaker and it hurts me on my insides that you gave them that money back.

bachngocduong · 03-18-10, 02:02 PM

lol nice free money keep it or return it up to you

Hareeba! · 03-18-10, 02:23 PM

It is inconceivable that they wouldn't have discovered the error themselves when doing their accounting reconciliations.

If you had that much remaining in your account they would simply have debited it back. If you didn't they would have come after you.

This is a different situation to an error in settling a bet which they may never have discovered.

RickySteve · 03-18-10, 02:44 PM

"...come after you."

How would they do that exactly, mate?

Doug · 03-18-10, 02:52 PM

With Bookmaker, I would have kept it for sure, and never gone back. I hate that book

Hareeba! · 03-18-10, 03:10 PM

Originally posted by RickySteve

"...come after you."

How would they do that exactly, mate?

Request you to pay it back, then if necessary follow up with debt recovery action

BigDaddy · 03-18-10, 03:20 PM

i wouldn't be surprised if they charged you $200 to transfer it back to them

if you would have told me bookmaker from the start i would have told you to keep the money.

they rob you and chance they get.

karma would have been a bitch.

RickySteve · 03-18-10, 04:38 PM

Originally posted by Hareeba!

Request you to pay it back, then if necessary follow up with debt recovery action

Good one, mate. Assuming he's from the US, it's not only uncollectible, it's illegal to attempt to collect it.

relaaxx · 03-18-10, 04:48 PM

wow - wonder what i would do - because it is bookmaker it's a tough choice - 1 of the places that i may keep the money. hope i get the chance to decide. hats off to you - on your decision - an honest man is hard to find.

Hareeba! · 03-18-10, 04:48 PM

Originally posted by RickySteve

Good one, mate. Assuming he's from the US, it's not only uncollectible, it's illegal to attempt to collect it.

I don't know if he's from the US but jurisdictional issues aside that would be what I'd expect them to do.

Now you are saying that its uncollectable, even illegal to attempt collection, presumably on the grounds that it is an unenforceable gambling debt?

I'd argue that point. A mistaken overpayment of an account balance is not a "gambling debt" in my language.

big joe 1212 · 03-18-10, 05:03 PM

The auditors will eventually catch it! They will negate your account eventually.

Thremp · 03-18-10, 05:56 PM

Originally posted by Hareeba!

I don't know if he's from the US but jurisdictional issues aside that would be what I'd expect them to do. Now you are saying that its uncollectable, even illegal to attempt collection, presumably on the grounds that it is an unenforceable gambling debt? I'd argue that point. A mistaken overpayment of an account balance is not a "gambling debt" in my language.

You'd lose whatever licensing and become a criminal if you tried. GLHF!

robmpink · 03-18-10, 06:26 PM

Did they give u a freeplay or anything?

MathewXB · 03-18-10, 07:05 PM

Ya I wanna know to did they give you anything for your trouble?

XB

nenad · 03-18-10, 08:27 PM

its not your fault keep the money

Dirty Bay Player · 03-18-10, 10:15 PM

Re. update on Bookmaker double paying $6500

Cool new twist on the story. I had deposited $500 yesterday with Bookmaker before I realized their $6500 error (i.e., that i had an extra $6500 in my account).

I hit a hot streak and turned that $500 into $4000. I asked them to apply that $4k to the $6500 that I owed them.

I now owe them the remaining $2500 and they are encouraging me to use Western Union to send it to them. I tried to make that happen over the phone today with a credit card but Western Union declined the transaction (for "business reasons" - wtf does that mean?). Western Union said I should go in in person to conduct the transaction, which means I have to go to my bank, withdraw cash, then go to Western Union and wire the money over. What a pain in the ass.

Anyway, the Bookmaker folks sounded very grateful about my confessing the error, and talked about how they were going to award all sorts of bonus points and whatnot. I'll fill you in after the dust settles on what their final "make good" is for my trouble.

I do think I'll sleep better. Tough to cough up that kind of coin, but I feel vindicated by that $3500 profit I made today. I haven't had a run like that in a while, so maybe somebody was patting me on the back. Then again, maybe I'll go 0 for my next 20 and wish I'd kept that $6500

Thanks for the advice

whatsgood5 · 03-18-10, 10:24 PM

Glad to here they're going to reward you, looks like you made the right decision

Johnpoints · 03-19-10, 12:20 AM

Whether or not you get a reward (I'm glad you're getting something), I'm glad to hear you returned the money. Comforting to know there are good people like you out there.

Glitch · 03-19-10, 03:14 AM

theyre probably gonna give you like 500 betpoints hahahaha noble. i believe in karma.

andywend · 03-19-10, 03:33 AM

Dirty Bay Player, here are the facts:
1. Bookmaker would have absolutely discovered the error when they did their week-end or month-end accounting.
2. Assuming you cashed both checks, there is nothing Bookmaker could do to recover the $6,500 you owe them.
3. If you refused to pay it back when they asked, they would take whatever funds that are in your account and would have closed it permanently.

If you enjoy playing at Bookmaker and believe in Karma, then you made the right decision.

For the record, the same thing has happened to me on 3 different occassions. All 3 times, I told them to debit my account the amount of the duplicate check sent (as opposed to sending the check back).

forsberg21 · 03-19-10, 06:38 AM

I'm curious as to what kind of compensation they'll give ya for this.

They definitely would have found out, so that $3500 that you ran up, most likely would have been taken anyways. Once Matchbook paid me out an extra $100 and they found out a week later (I didn't even notice) and took it outta my account. $6500 missing would have showed up right away.

Even if you wanted to keep that $6500, the $4000 you had in there ($500 deposit + $3500 winnings) would have been taken by them anyways. You did the right thing IMO.

Let us know what happens... they gotta get ya at least a dime in compensation for what you did... anything less, I'd make it an issue if I were you.

eavesdropper · 03-19-10, 10:20 AM

Originally posted by forsberg21

Let us know what happens... they gotta get ya at least a dime in compensation for what you did... anything less, I'd make it an issue if I were you.

They should only compensate for the trouble it caused him, but a dime?? It was their money.

Rollins08 · 03-19-10, 11:10 AM

Keep it, find another book.

Thremp · 03-19-10, 02:52 PM

Originally posted by eavesdropper

They should only compensate for the trouble it caused him, but a dime?? It was their money.

You can drop off $6500 to random people with almost no recourse and see how much you get back IMO.

Chopsticks · 03-19-10, 03:19 PM

Great to hear that you managed to go on a nice hot streak like that! It must have been all the karma.

I can imagine that an individual on the Bookmaker payroll is forever greatful to you for your honesty. A $6500 is not a lot at all for them, but I can imagine that the employee would have been held accountable in some way, and perhaps even lost his/her job over something like this.

Dirty Bay Player · 04-03-10, 05:58 PM

They ended up giving me $1,000 freeplay (after I paid back that money).

BET THE HOOK · 04-03-10, 06:18 PM

Any rollover on the freeplay?