Pinnacle and their "Live Deleted Wagers"

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  • moonbeam
    SBR MVP
    • 03-02-07
    • 1496

    #1
    Pinnacle and their "Live Deleted Wagers"
    Pinnacle reserves the right to void any bet in their "live betting" the way they want.

    And they do void some bets for NO reasons.

    What happened if they void a 4000 Euro stake at a +1100 line after the event has finished?

    Is SBR able to handle this?
  • gambleballs
    SBR Sharp
    • 10-15-07
    • 466

    #2
    I bet pinnacle live lines the entire MLB season and the only ones they ever deleted deserved to be. They let plenty of errors that weren't so obvious stand throughout the season. They are A+ for a reason, I doubt they would take a shot at you unless the error was obvious.
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    • LLXC
      SBR Hall of Famer
      • 12-10-06
      • 8972

      #3
      Originally posted by moonbeam
      What happened if they void a 4000 Euro stake at a +1100 line after the event has finished?
      Wait, the event already finished and you made a bet? Of course they're going to void it.
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      • moonbeam
        SBR MVP
        • 03-02-07
        • 1496

        #4
        Originally posted by gambleballs
        I bet pinnacle live lines the entire MLB season and the only ones they ever deleted deserved to be. They let plenty of errors that weren't so obvious stand throughout the season. They are A+ for a reason, I doubt they would take a shot at you unless the error was obvious.
        Thanks for the reply gamble.

        They void a 3000 Euro losing bet for no reason, I´m happy with this and thats good for me at this moment, but I can´t understand the reason to void this bet.

        Today I bet 6500 Euro at +1100 at Hull and I don´t want to think about it what happens if this bets wins and they void it for no reason
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        • moonbeam
          SBR MVP
          • 03-02-07
          • 1496

          #5
          Originally posted by LLXC
          Wait, the event already finished and you made a bet? Of course they're going to void it.
          please excuse me llxc, its only my bad english
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          • chance
            SBR Wise Guy
            • 06-16-08
            • 682

            #6
            Sounds to me like if Hull had of won you would have lost 65,000 euros betting at other sites
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            • moonbeam
              SBR MVP
              • 03-02-07
              • 1496

              #7
              Originally posted by chance
              Sounds to me like if Hull had of won you would have lost 65,000 euros betting at other sites
              Hull lost but your tought is not so bad chance!!

              Pinnacle do void bets for no reasons.

              My question is what happend if pinnacle void several 65,000 winning bets for no reasons?
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              • Santo
                SBR MVP
                • 09-08-05
                • 2957

                #8
                If you want any chance of help, I would recommend screenshoting the bets, as I think once pinnacle delete them you have no record of them in their system.

                What was the bet that was cancelled, and how did it compare to the BF line?
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                • gambleballs
                  SBR Sharp
                  • 10-15-07
                  • 466

                  #9
                  When pinnacle deletes a bet it shows in your history under "Deleted wagers"
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                  • JohnAnthony
                    SBR Hall of Famer
                    • 04-30-09
                    • 5110

                    #10
                    Take screenshots..
                    "I have never seen a wild thing feel sorry for itself. A little bird will fall dead, frozen from a bough, without ever having felt sorry for itself."

                    - D.H. Lawrence
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                    • moonbeam
                      SBR MVP
                      • 03-02-07
                      • 1496

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Santo
                      If you want any chance of help, I would recommend screenshoting the bets, as I think once pinnacle delete them you have no record of them in their system.

                      What was the bet that was cancelled, and how did it compare to the BF line?
                      Santo:

                      It was this one 7:11am 12-Dec-097:12am 12-Dec-09Soccer
                      Money LineBolton Wanderers vs Manchester City for Game 1.9713,000.002,912.62
                      7:11am 12-Dec-097:12am 12-Dec-09Soccer
                      Money LineBolton Wanderers vs Manchester City for Game 1.9713,000.002,912.62Bolton Wanderers vs Manchester City for Game 1.9713,000.002,912.62England Premier LIVE
                      Bolton Wanderers vs Manchester City for Game 1.9713,000.002,912.62Bolton Wanderers vs Manchester City for Game 1.9713,000.002,912.62

                      I cant copy and paste this sorry No way to copy and paste this
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                      • Dunder
                        Restricted User
                        • 10-26-09
                        • 3345

                        #12
                        In-play arbs is a very risky strategy, you know that well.
                        The problem with getting help on what is and what isn´t a bad line is that it is very subjective.

                        For SBR (or anyone) to help make the case to Pinny it would have to be shown that the line was within the market bounds. But if you are able to make an arbitrage with that line.........................
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                        • moonbeam
                          SBR MVP
                          • 03-02-07
                          • 1496

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Dunder
                          In-play arbs is a very risky strategy, you know that well.
                          The problem with getting help on what is and what isn´t a bad line is that it is very subjective.

                          For SBR (or anyone) to help make the case to Pinny it would have to be shown that the line was within the market bounds. But if you are able to make an arbitrage with that line.........................
                          Thanks Dunder.

                          I don´t know this well, but this "we deserves the right to void any bet" from the pinnacle rules is a point which is really interesting and dangerous
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                          • Dunder
                            Restricted User
                            • 10-26-09
                            • 3345

                            #14
                            Originally posted by moonbeam
                            Thanks Dunder.

                            I don´t know this well, but this "we deserves the right to void any bet" from the pinnacle rules is a point which is really interesting and dangerous
                            Indeed but pretty much all sites say the same thing even if the wording is less straight-forward.
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                            • Stumpage
                              SBR MVP
                              • 09-21-05
                              • 2906

                              #15
                              Without exaggerating, I've placed thousands of bets at Pinnacle ever since they began offering live wagering.....

                              They've cancelled one.
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                              • moonbeam
                                SBR MVP
                                • 03-02-07
                                • 1496

                                #16
                                Originally posted by Stumpage
                                Without exaggerating, I've placed thousands of bets at Pinnacle ever since they began offering live wagering.....

                                They've cancelled one.
                                That´s good news stumpage!

                                But if they void you a 65.000 winning wager, are you that smart?
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                                • Stumpage
                                  SBR MVP
                                  • 09-21-05
                                  • 2906

                                  #17
                                  Moonbeam, I can only pray that some day I've been able to place 65K on a wager.....
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                                  • durito
                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                    • 07-03-06
                                    • 13173

                                    #18
                                    I'd be more worried that other book you are arbing with cancels than pinny
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                                    • tomcowley
                                      SBR MVP
                                      • 10-01-07
                                      • 1129

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by gambleballs
                                      I bet pinnacle live lines the entire MLB season and the only ones they ever deleted deserved to be. They let plenty of errors that weren't so obvious stand throughout the season. They are A+ for a reason, I doubt they would take a shot at you unless the error was obvious.
                                      This.
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                                      • Justin7
                                        SBR Hall of Famer
                                        • 07-31-06
                                        • 8577

                                        #20
                                        I have placed 100's of in-game bets. I have never had one deleted.

                                        If you won that wager and it was a fair line, they won't cancel it.

                                        If you bet Hull +1100 with 5 minutes left, Hull up 2-1 and up 11-10 men, the bet would be canceled... And no one would complain.
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                                        • Stacocakes
                                          SBR Hall of Famer
                                          • 04-10-08
                                          • 7126

                                          #21
                                          If you are worried about a bet that you have made Pinnacle usually posts a note on the live betting page that says which bets will be voided. The void message usually appears during the next commercial break at the bottom of the page.
                                          I have been with Pinnacle for many years and have made many live bets and I can't remember any bet ever being voided.The only time Pinnacle will do this is if the line was totally off and an obvious error
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                                          • moonbeam
                                            SBR MVP
                                            • 03-02-07
                                            • 1496

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by Justin7
                                            I have placed 100's of in-game bets. I have never had one deleted.

                                            If you won that wager and it was a fair line, they won't cancel it.

                                            If you bet Hull +1100 with 5 minutes left, Hull up 2-1 and up 11-10 men, the bet would be canceled... And no one would complain.
                                            Justin,

                                            Pinnacle covered soccer 3 way bets until 70 minutes. No second longer.

                                            I don´t lose something with their cancelled wager, but the real problem is, there was absoluly NO reason to void this bet. I really can´t understand the reason why they void it. It was NO bad line or something, so I´m really wondering why they void it.
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                                            • Hareeba!
                                              BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                              • 07-01-06
                                              • 37281

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by moonbeam
                                              I´m really wondering why they void it.
                                              so have you tried asking them?
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