Betphoenix or 5dimes?

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  • SSLP
    SBR Hall of Famer
    • 02-29-08
    • 5232

    #36
    what % of players get cut at 5dimes to virtually $100 per wager after going on a winning streak ...90% ..5D is great until you beat them and when you call and get " Tony " telling how much of a bastard you are and making you feel like he just did u a favor by paying u .

    BP is my call
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    • katstale
      SBR MVP
      • 02-07-07
      • 3924

      #37
      STP could not have said it better. He is on the ground down there guys. Insider. He knows. If u have extended play at 5dimes u r a losing long term player or you play for less than 50 a game. It is just that simple. i am out of this goofy thread now. i promise myself.
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      • pimike
        BARRELED IN @ SBR!
        • 03-23-08
        • 37139

        #38
        Originally posted by lawsofpower48
        bp called you to deposit more money? lol. i hate it when books call my house like i owe them some damn money! that makes me not want to play with them.
        That is funny you say this. My wife asked me yesterday how much money do I owe these people and why haven't I paid them yet.


        So true how they make it sound like you owe them money.
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        • thespeculator
          SBR MVP
          • 09-09-08
          • 2999

          #39
          Originally posted by SSLP
          what % of players get cut at 5dimes to virtually $100 per wager after going on a winning streak ...90% ..5D is great until you beat them and when you call and get " Tony " telling how much of a bastard you are and making you feel like he just did u a favor by paying u .

          BP is my call
          if 90% get limited what a bout the other 10 per cent, if people play teasers or parlays and hit a few big plays will they cut teaser limits also or is it just straight players they cut
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          • noyb
            SBR Wise Guy
            • 09-13-05
            • 971

            #40
            Originally posted by thespeculator
            if 90% get limited what a bout the other 10 per cent, if people play teasers or parlays and hit a few big plays will they cut teaser limits also or is it just straight players they cut
            any retard working for a book can easily make out the bettor who knows what he's doing compared to the bettor who has no clue, even if the smart bettor happens to be having a losing streak or the clueless bettor happens to be having a winning streak. it's the lines that matter, you only need a few bets and it's really very very simple. teasers/parlays or straight makes no difference, if you're knowledgeable in either, you'll get cut at a place like 5dimes.
            lots of people in these kind of topics keep saying they never got cut themselves. this says more about the kind of player they are (and there's nothing wrong with that, they keep this industry alive), than about the book itself.
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            • purecarnagge
              SBR MVP
              • 10-05-07
              • 4843

              #41
              I told BP to delete my account due to there website issues and when there CS told me my account didn't exist and then my Account manager called me to offer me some bonus program (aka i need $$$ to get paid) I told him to delete my account.

              Its a new book and looks like things aren't going to well. Cold calling in this industry is never good.
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              • betphoenix
                SBR High Roller
                • 10-24-07
                • 244

                #42
                Purecarnage,

                Unfortunately you are incorrect. Things are just fine. Just to give you some idea of why this function is employed at many businesses, numbers have demonstrated that the sales function adds retention turns which industry average are about 3.5 per new member to about 6 retention turns per new member, and that affects the bottom line in a very big way. Following up on new registrations with calls raises closing ratios from about 30% average to about 55% average with effectivity being based on how soon you can establish communication. Call in rates are at about 80% closing as a standard to round out this info.

                I can see that you are not a fan of it which I understand, but bottom line numbers speak volumes. You can simply ask to not be called anymore and that will be honored by me directly.
                BetPhoenix - Join here
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                • poker_dummy101
                  Restricted User
                  • 11-03-08
                  • 6395

                  #43
                  Originally posted by betphoenix
                  Purecarnage,

                  Unfortunately you are incorrect. Things are just fine. Just to give you some idea of why this function is employed at many businesses, numbers have demonstrated that the sales function adds retention turns which industry average are about 3.5 per new member to about 6 retention turns per new member, and that affects the bottom line in a very big way. Following up on new registrations with calls raises closing ratios from about 30% average to about 55% average with effectivity being based on how soon you can establish communication. Call in rates are at about 80% closing as a standard to round out this info.

                  I can see that you are not a fan of it which I understand, but bottom line numbers speak volumes. You can simply ask to not be called anymore and that will be honored by me directly.
                  Yea and if I call millions of people to sell girl scout cookies Ill get a larger return. That doesnt make it right.
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                  • betphoenix
                    SBR High Roller
                    • 10-24-07
                    • 244

                    #44
                    I don't think there is really a right or wrong here. As I said before, I will also remove anyone from the call list who does not want the calls. That is not a problem at all.
                    BetPhoenix - Join here
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                    • pimike
                      BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                      • 03-23-08
                      • 37139

                      #45
                      Thanks NP for your input in the thread.
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                      • burnedhands
                        SBR Rookie
                        • 10-13-09
                        • 37

                        #46
                        Originally posted by pimike
                        That is funny you say this. My wife asked me yesterday how much money do I owe these people and why haven't I paid them yet.


                        So true how they make it sound like you owe them money.
                        lol it only happened to me once, i still hated it
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                        • lawsofpower48
                          SBR High Roller
                          • 09-06-08
                          • 229

                          #47
                          Originally posted by pimike
                          That is funny you say this. My wife asked me yesterday how much money do I owe these people and why haven't I paid them yet.


                          So true how they make it sound like you owe them money.
                          yea, i guess iam not the only one with that issue. damn BetPhoenix. 5dime for the winner! unless you want your wives to thnk you owed the betphoenix money...lmao. i hate spam callers.
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                          • pimike
                            BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                            • 03-23-08
                            • 37139

                            #48
                            Lawsofpower was the most persuading person in this thread. All input was appreciated and thought over. Since i am not looking to make my main plays on either I believe 5dimes will fit my needs. It also appears that you can bet up to 5 g's online. So that will work as well.

                            I will be sending money to 5dimes tomorrow. Limits get cut before Thanksgiving then I will pullout.


                            I really like all the ingame betting they offer. It appears no other offers as much.


                            If somebody hasn't chimed in and needs to let me know something please do so.

                            I read something about Tony taking credit???? Does anybody know what that is all about?
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                            • pimike
                              BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                              • 03-23-08
                              • 37139

                              #49
                              Well money funded today for 5dimes. Customer service was good.

                              Funding method easy. The only down fall I see right away is the time frame they take to fund your account once monies are deposited and control number provided.

                              Any book I have ever used which is most of them I had money in my account within minutes not hours.


                              I hope all else will be good.
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                              • pimike
                                BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                • 03-23-08
                                • 37139

                                #50
                                Funded Bet Phoenix so I shall see which is better if thats possible.

                                Not liking what I hear about both books here on the forum.
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                                • teaserpleaser
                                  BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                  • 08-14-08
                                  • 26015

                                  #51
                                  tough call
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                                  • pimike
                                    BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                    • 03-23-08
                                    • 37139

                                    #52
                                    Originally posted by teaserpleaser
                                    tough call
                                    So far betphoenix has great CS on the phone and on the live chat.
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                                    • cap10
                                      SBR Sharp
                                      • 09-15-07
                                      • 494

                                      #53
                                      this is tiresome;; give me bjam
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                                      • pimike
                                        BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                        • 03-23-08
                                        • 37139

                                        #54
                                        Originally posted by cap10
                                        this is tiresome;; give me bjam
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                                        • blackbox
                                          SBR MVP
                                          • 02-28-08
                                          • 1415

                                          #55
                                          Gotta go with 5 Dimes if I had to. Staying at Bet-Jam for way too many reasons.
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                                          • tltaylor89
                                            SBR Posting Legend
                                            • 06-19-09
                                            • 19610

                                            #56
                                            5dimes by a fuking mile just requested a payout should be here Tuesday Ralph Lauren here I come
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                                            • tltaylor89
                                              SBR Posting Legend
                                              • 06-19-09
                                              • 19610

                                              #57
                                              Originally posted by pimike

                                              So far betphoenix has great CS on the phone and on the live chat.
                                              5dimes has great livechat phones are lacking but you get youre action down.Payouts are fast at 5dimes 2 days tops a money order is at my door.
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                                              • Mr Windy City
                                                Restricted User
                                                • 12-27-09
                                                • 5018

                                                #58
                                                5dimes is way better than bp. Plus 5 dimes has a lot of pay per head customers. Reduced juice section rocks!
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                                                • Rollins08
                                                  SBR MVP
                                                  • 04-20-07
                                                  • 1337

                                                  #59
                                                  No contest at all. 5dimes hands down.
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                                                  • wallyjones2009
                                                    Restricted User
                                                    • 03-03-09
                                                    • 280

                                                    #60
                                                    5dimes
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                                                    • robertg
                                                      SBR Wise Guy
                                                      • 02-02-09
                                                      • 643

                                                      #61
                                                      Originally posted by pimike
                                                      So far betphoenix has great CS on the phone and on the live chat.

                                                      Mike,
                                                      I prefer bp over 5dimes during football and bball, but if memory serves me correct, not so much for bases. Dime line only to -140 at phoenix.
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                                                      • ncat12
                                                        SBR MVP
                                                        • 11-24-09
                                                        • 1170

                                                        #62
                                                        Originally posted by pimike
                                                        Well money funded today for 5dimes. Customer service was good.

                                                        Funding method easy. The only down fall I see right away is the time frame they take to fund your account once monies are deposited and control number provided.

                                                        Any book I have ever used which is most of them I had money in my account within minutes not hours.


                                                        I hope all else will be good.
                                                        any time you 'fund' an account the customer service will be good ..c'mon you are giving them money..let me know when you try to w/draw and what apain in the arseit will be
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                                                        • mrbigballs
                                                          SBR Rookie
                                                          • 02-10-10
                                                          • 25

                                                          #63
                                                          SBR is a fricken JOKE !!!

                                                          Is there anyway that the people who come to this site can see how the Books are rated here? i mean come on lets see a report on how all the books are rated, some that are at a A+,A, B,B+ C, D and F please show all of us how you come up with the way you rate them. like BP,Bodog,DSI,5Dimes, im sure the people that are not on your payroll would like to see how you rate them, Show us the real way you rate them if you have the Balls.


                                                          This site SBR is a Fricken Joke, look at all the Books they get paid by. half of them are not an A+ or even a D. i guess if you pay them big money they will give you at least an A rating, what a joke, with so many books that have alot of problems they will not say anything bad about them ever and then they have there yes men post good things about the bad books and bad things if people say the truth about the crap books, oh yeah and the gay i mean guy bill doper bob dozer or whatever it calls himself slams you if you say anything bad about his books that pay him big money, i think i will get a few people together and get our own site that will give people a fair and honest choice of books to play at, Hey Bill Doper let the good times roll. I give you a F- live with it................
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                                                          • Glitch
                                                            SBR Posting Legend
                                                            • 07-08-09
                                                            • 11795

                                                            #64
                                                            way more options on 5dimes plus phoenix doesnt even offer moneylines on games with spreads of 10 or more. if you wanna get on a huge dog you cant
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                                                            • davidchong
                                                              SBR MVP
                                                              • 02-10-06
                                                              • 1806

                                                              #65
                                                              betphoenix by a neck
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                                                              • pimike
                                                                BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                                • 03-23-08
                                                                • 37139

                                                                #66
                                                                Originally posted by mrbigballs
                                                                Is there anyway that the people who come to this site can see how the Books are rated here? i mean come on lets see a report on how all the books are rated, some that are at a A+,A, B,B+ C, D and F please show all of us how you come up with the way you rate them. like BP,Bodog,DSI,5Dimes, im sure the people that are not on your payroll would like to see how you rate them, Show us the real way you rate them if you have the Balls.


                                                                This site SBR is a Fricken Joke, look at all the Books they get paid by. half of them are not an A+ or even a D. i guess if you pay them big money they will give you at least an A rating, what a joke, with so many books that have alot of problems they will not say anything bad about them ever and then they have there yes men post good things about the bad books and bad things if people say the truth about the crap books, oh yeah and the gay i mean guy bill doper bob dozer or whatever it calls himself slams you if you say anything bad about his books that pay him big money, i think i will get a few people together and get our own site that will give people a fair and honest choice of books to play at, Hey Bill Doper let the good times roll. I give you a F- live with it................
                                                                See ya! What a loser
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                                                                • pimike
                                                                  BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                                  • 03-23-08
                                                                  • 37139

                                                                  #67
                                                                  Originally posted by robertg
                                                                  Mike,
                                                                  I prefer bp over 5dimes during football and bball, but if memory serves me correct, not so much for bases. Dime line only to -140 at phoenix.
                                                                  Baseball 5dimes 10 cent lines to 190/BP only 140 or less.

                                                                  I will say I have enjoyed 5dimes MUCH more. FASTER posting of lines/MORE options.

                                                                  Limits are very low at BP
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                                                                  • trixtrix
                                                                    Restricted User
                                                                    • 04-13-06
                                                                    • 1897

                                                                    #68
                                                                    actually for the first 20k won, 5 dimes have a distinct adv: more props, more exotics, more reduced juice odds, better teaser odds, not to mention their derivatives have some significant weaknesses.

                                                                    the difference is that after winning the 20k, 5dimes will literally cut you down to pennies, whereas bet phoenix would just try and deter you via slight of hand methods, but will still allow you to get down a decent amount provided those restrictions are satisfied.
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