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  • Natty68
    SBR Wise Guy
    • 05-11-14
    • 550

    #1
    Massachusetts legalizes......Will Bookmaker pull out?
    Is this a case of 'be careful what wish for?'. God I hope not. Bookmaker so much better than DK in New Hampshire
  • Dr. Fager
    SBR High Roller
    • 05-12-11
    • 244

    #2
    Beacon Hill can't agree whether to include college sports in the bill. Meanwhile, you can go over the border to RI, NH or CT if necessary and bet the college menu. Either way, they'll phuk it up, whereas betting legally in Ma. won't be worth it.
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    • Microphone
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      • 01-08-08
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      #3
      Betting on college except Mass. teams is included in the bill.

      But you CAN bet on Mass. college teams if they get into a tourney, because, players only take bribes in the regular season

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      • Natty68
        SBR Wise Guy
        • 05-11-14
        • 550

        #4
        Originally posted by Dr. Fager
        Beacon Hill can't agree whether to include college sports in the bill. Meanwhile, you can go over the border to RI, NH or CT if necessary and bet the college menu. Either way, they'll phuk it up, whereas betting legally in Ma. won't be worth it.
        Agreed 100% on them mucking it up.....they muck up everything else. One need only compare the experience in a Mass casino opposed to a well run operation like Foxwoods or Mohegan. At least the sportsbetting tax isn't ridiculous like NY......they're talking somewhere around 20%.
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        • pologq
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          • 10-07-12
          • 19899

          #5
          Originally posted by Microphone
          Betting on college except Mass. teams is included in the bill.

          But you CAN bet on Mass. college teams if they get into a tourney, because, players only take bribes in the regular season

          https://www.masslive.com/politics/20...e-package.html
          that part about not being able to bet home college teams is laughable
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          • Natty68
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            • 05-11-14
            • 550

            #6
            Hard to believe but this WILL actually affect me a bit. The tongue-in-cheek joke around here is "right, everyone is lining up to bet BC or UMass." Well, I can attest that betting AGAINST UMass has been and will continue to be, tremendously profitable. Doesn't matter if the spread is 45 you can pretty much guarantee they won't cover. Guess I'll have to use my old New Hampshire account for that.
            Correct me if I'm wrong.... isn't that the way it is in Jersey? No bets on Rutgers? There are a chitload of colleges in Massachusetts, only a couple are FBS level. And if there were ever a case for a team to get relegated back to FCS, UMass is it.
            Last edited by Natty68; 08-02-22, 05:24 PM.
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            • roanildinho
              SBR MVP
              • 06-02-10
              • 1320

              #7
              stupid ass rules.
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              • Waterstpub87
                SBR MVP
                • 09-09-09
                • 4102

                #8
                Originally posted by Natty68
                Hard to believe but this WILL actually affect me a bit. The tongue-in-cheek joke around here is "right, everyone is lining up to bet BC or UMass." Well, I can attest that betting AGAINST UMass has been and will continue to be, tremendously profitable. Doesn't matter if the spread is 45 you can pretty much guarantee they won't cover. Guess I'll have to use my old New Hampshire account for that.
                Correct me if I'm wrong.... isn't that the way it is in Jersey? No bets on Rutgers? There are a chitload of colleges in Massachusetts, only a couple are FBS level. And if there were ever a case for a team to get relegated back to FCS, UMass is it.
                That is the way it works in New Jersey.

                No Rutgers for College Football
                No Princeton, Rutgers, NJIT for college basketball

                The NCAA football futures are priced without Rutgers, literally say NCAAF Championship Winner 2022-23 w/o NJ Colleges

                Rule change was on ballot last election, to allow it. It failed.
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                • Microphone
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                  • 01-08-08
                  • 2950

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Natty68
                  Hard to believe but this WILL actually affect me a bit. The tongue-in-cheek joke around here is "right, everyone is lining up to bet BC or UMass." Well, I can attest that betting AGAINST UMass has been and will continue to be, tremendously profitable. Doesn't matter if the spread is 45 you can pretty much guarantee they won't cover. Guess I'll have to use my old New Hampshire account for that.
                  Correct me if I'm wrong.... isn't that the way it is in Jersey? No bets on Rutgers? There are a chitload of colleges in Massachusetts, only a couple are FBS level. And if there were ever a case for a team to get relegated back to FCS, UMass is it.

                  Ryan Bamford has decided the FBS specials like UMass at Michigan, Texas Tech and Georgia, for example, far outweigh them going back to play the Delaware's and New Hampshire's of the world. Those big pay days, no matter how brutal the score, balance a lot of athletic budgets, like at UMass, is his logic. To date he's made one good hire, Greg Carvel, who brought them an NCAA Hockey Championship in 2021. But Amherst and Massachusetts are destinations for hockey and that's unfortunately, for Bamford, not a major revenue sport.

                  No football or basketball player with ANY talent, especially football, will look at UMass, that has a stadium that can't compete with many Texas high school fields.

                  You'll have to stay offshore if you want to continue to squeeze the UMass cash cow Natty.
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                  • Natty68
                    SBR Wise Guy
                    • 05-11-14
                    • 550

                    #10
                    The ONE time they were respectable (the Marcus Camby/Calapari) basketball teams they had to vacate their tourney wins. I understand the cash grab angle for the college presidents but I believe they are putting those kids at serious bodily risk scheduling some of these power 5 schools. Of course the college pres doesn't care....he just cashes the checks.
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                    • Microphone
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                      • 01-08-08
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Natty68
                      The ONE time they were respectable (the Marcus Camby/Calapari) basketball teams they had to vacate their tourney wins. I understand the cash grab angle for the college presidents but I believe they are putting those kids at serious bodily risk scheduling some of these power 5 schools. Of course the college pres doesn't care....he just cashes the checks.
                      And the Cal/Camby thing will likely never happen again, at least like it did. That was pre internet/social media days and Cal somewhat flew under the radar in comparison to how it would go down in the 2010's or 2020's. With instant highlights (You Tube and Twitter and such) someone like Cal exits UMass far quicker than he did back in the 90's.
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                      • Roscoe_Word
                        SBR MVP
                        • 02-28-12
                        • 3999

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Waterstpub87
                        That is the way it works in New Jersey.

                        No Rutgers for College Football
                        No Princeton, Rutgers, NJIT for college basketball

                        The NCAA football futures are priced without Rutgers, literally say NCAAF Championship Winner 2022-23 w/o NJ Colleges

                        Rule change was on ballot last election, to allow it. It failed.
                        Didn't know that, WP.

                        Thought MA would be the only state to do something like that.

                        If memory serves, didn't NEV have that rule?

                        Don't know if they still do....................
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                        • Natty68
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                          • 05-11-14
                          • 550

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Microphone
                          Ryan Bamford has decided the FBS specials like UMass at Michigan, Texas Tech and Georgia, for example, far outweigh them going back to play the Delaware's and New Hampshire's of the world. Those big pay days, no matter how brutal the score, balance a lot of athletic budgets, like at UMass, is his logic. To date he's made one good hire, Greg Carvel, who brought them an NCAA Hockey Championship in 2021. But Amherst and Massachusetts are destinations for hockey and that's unfortunately, for Bamford, not a major revenue sport.

                          No football or basketball player with ANY talent, especially football, will look at UMass, that has a stadium that can't compete with many Texas high school fields.

                          You'll have to stay offshore if you want to continue to squeeze the UMass cash cow Natty.
                          I am genuinely curious..not trying to be antagonistic or anything..... How do you feel about Mark Whipple's time at UMass (obviously they didn't win much) and how he'll do at Nebraska? Seems like he didn't have much to work with at Amherst.
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                          • Microphone
                            SBR MVP
                            • 01-08-08
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                            #14
                            Not at all.......
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                            • Microphone
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                              • 01-08-08
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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Natty68
                              I am genuinely curious..not trying to be antagonistic or anything..... How do you feel about Mark Whipple's time at UMass (obviously they didn't win much) and how he'll do at Nebraska? Seems like he didn't have much to work with at Amherst.
                              Well he didn't have much in Amherst. Led the team to the National Championship as you are aware in 1998. Think he did well back in that era. Should make a good OC at Nebraska, I don't pretend to much about HC Frost but we'll see.
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                              • pologq
                                SBR Posting Legend
                                • 10-07-12
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                                #16
                                Originally posted by Natty68
                                Hard to believe but this WILL actually affect me a bit. The tongue-in-cheek joke around here is "right, everyone is lining up to bet BC or UMass." Well, I can attest that betting AGAINST UMass has been and will continue to be, tremendously profitable. Doesn't matter if the spread is 45 you can pretty much guarantee they won't cover. Guess I'll have to use my old New Hampshire account for that.
                                Correct me if I'm wrong.... isn't that the way it is in Jersey? No bets on Rutgers? There are a chitload of colleges in Massachusetts, only a couple are FBS level. And if there were ever a case for a team to get relegated back to FCS, UMass is it.
                                i get it. i like betting st. johns cause sometimes you will get them getting decent points where they usually cover and as long as i stay domestic i cannot.
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                                • stevenash
                                  Moderator
                                  • 01-17-11
                                  • 65170

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by Waterstpub87
                                  That is the way it works in New Jersey.

                                  No Rutgers for College Football
                                  No Princeton, Rutgers, NJIT for college basketball

                                  The NCAA football futures are priced without Rutgers, literally say NCAAF Championship Winner 2022-23 w/o NJ Colleges

                                  Rule change was on ballot last election, to allow it. It failed.
                                  Yep.
                                  The rule applies to all states.

                                  I can't bet on Yale, or UConn, or Fairfield
                                  If you live in NY you can't bet on St. John's or Syracuse.
                                  If you live in NC, you can't bet on Duke, or Tar Heels...
                                  ... you get the point.

                                  This, being 2022 and all, it's time to eliminate all that.
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                                  • Waterstpub87
                                    SBR MVP
                                    • 09-09-09
                                    • 4102

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by stevenash
                                    Yep.
                                    The rule applies to all states.

                                    I can't bet on Yale, or UConn, or Fairfield
                                    If you live in NY you can't bet on St. John's or Syracuse.
                                    If you live in NC, you can't bet on Duke, or Tar Heels...
                                    ... you get the point.

                                    This, being 2022 and all, it's time to eliminate all that.

                                    This would suck for people in Texas during college football. Can't bet on half the games.
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                                    • Seattle Slew
                                      SBR Hall of Famer
                                      • 01-02-06
                                      • 7373

                                      #19
                                      Whipple is a good coach. He did a very good job at Pitt, but wanted out for some reason, so they made up a retirement story. Then, the next day he gets hired at Nebraska, lol.

                                      Whipple was QB coach for the Steelers under Cowher, but for some reason Tomlin didn't keep him on staff. He was apparently in line to be the new OC for Pitt if Cowher didn't retire, once Whisenhunt was going to get a head coaching job. He'd probably be a head coach in the NFL if Cowher didn't retire.

                                      Interesting how careers are impacted by decisions like that. I bet he hates Tomlin's guts.

                                      Originally posted by Microphone
                                      Well he didn't have much in Amherst. Led the team to the National Championship as you are aware in 1998. Think he did well back in that era. Should make a good OC at Nebraska, I don't pretend to much about HC Frost but we'll see.
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                                      • Natty68
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                                        • 05-11-14
                                        • 550

                                        #20
                                        TYPICAL MASSACHUSETTS USELESSNESS.........everyone ready to expedite so the peeps can start betting this Fall, even the the sportsbooks are already built in Boston and Springfield. I mean turn-key ready to go. AAAAAnd of course the two female legislators that were opposed to it are slow playing and jamming everything up. NOW they're saying no betting til 2023. They need to look at this and look at that and blah blah blah. Kinda like a stupid twitch visiting an island and pushing the world to the brink of war just so she could have her petulant childish, look-at-me moment. The world could burn and she COULDN'T CARE LESS. Even the bright pink suit she wore screams egomaniac. This is so focking typical of Mass. They like to make fun of how backward New Hampshire is but THEY had it up and running very quickly.
                                        Last edited by Natty68; 08-07-22, 06:22 AM.
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                                        • Natty68
                                          SBR Wise Guy
                                          • 05-11-14
                                          • 550

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by stevenash
                                          Yep.
                                          The rule applies to all states.
                                          I can't bet on Yale, or UConn, or Fairfield
                                          If you live in NY you can't bet on St. John's or Syracuse.
                                          If you live in NC, you can't bet on Duke, or Tar Heels...
                                          ... you get the point.

                                          This, being 2022 and all, it's time to eliminate all that.
                                          Someone made a comment I picked up on.....probably on Yoootooob. "It's as though the people that made the in-state restrictions have never heard of Cosh Epp and Benmo
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