Match abandoned question

[cashin81]

If you bet, for example, arsenal to win. They go up 1-0 and you cash out all money, then the game goes on to be abd at some stage after.

Does the book take the profit back?

sorry if in wrong section, thx!

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If you bet, for example, arsenal to win. They go up 1-0 and you cash out all money, then the game goes on to be abd at some stage after.

Does the book take the profit back?

sorry if in wrong section, thx!

Bet365 cancels and take the money back for sure.

[lonnie55]

I think it's industry standard that bets which haven't been decided yet will be voided, no matter if cashed out before or not.

It would be interesting to see what happens to an over bet that was cashed out when the match gets abandoned.

For instance: You bet on over 2.5, there are two quick goals and you cash out. An hour later the match gets abandoned at a score 3-0. If you didn't cash out the bet must stand, no matter if abandoned or not. Consequently the cashed out bet would have to stand, too. Yet I'm not sure how bookies would act in a case like that.

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I think it's industry standard that bets which haven't been decided yet will be voided, no matter if cashed out before or not.

It would be interesting to see what happens to an over bet that was cashed out when the match gets abandoned.

For instance: You bet on over 2.5, there are two quick goals and you cash out. An hour later the match gets abandoned at a score 3-0. If you didn't cash out the bet must stand, no matter if abandoned or not. Consequently the cashed out bet would have to stand, too. Yet I'm not sure how bookies would act in a case like that.

Had a complaint with almost that exact situation recently. They voided it. It's why I said I was sure about what B365 would do.

[moojoo]

Cashout should stand. Thats why its called cashout. For me if they void it,they can void 3:0 cashout if 3:3 is FT and you bet home team. Very stupid rule if they void cashout,and very smart question.

[cashin81]

]I think it's industry standard that bets which haven't been decided yet will be voided[/B], no matter if cashed out before or not.

It would be interesting to see what happens to an over bet that was cashed out when the match gets abandoned.

For instance: You bet on over 2.5, there are two quick goals and you cash out. An hour later the match gets abandoned at a score 3-0. If you didn't cash out the bet must stand, no matter if abandoned or not. Consequently the cashed out bet would have to stand, too. Yet I'm not sure how bookies would act in a case like that.

If you cash out at 1-0, nothing has been "decided" regardless if the game is abd or not after. Thats the poit of cashout, nothing has been decided but you can take this offer to finish the transaction.

[cashin81]

Cashout should stand. Thats why its called cashout. For me if they void it,they can void 3:0 cashout if 3:3 is FT and you bet home team. Very stupid rule if they void cashout,and very smart question.

Thats what i thought as well. If someone had arsenal to win pre match, and it was abd... then the bet would be pending then void.

But if someone cashed out, the bet has been settled, then voided, which is harder to understand/take.

[semibluff]

Many years ago the betting rule used to be a game was considered final if it reached 85 minutes but was still ended early. That is no longer the case. I'll copy/paste the Willian Hill rules from in the UK, (purely as a guideline):

Q) I placed a bet the 90 minutes market for the home side to win the match. The game was abandoned in the 75th minute with the score 1-0, what happens to my bet?
A) This bet, along with those on the 'draw' and the 'away' selections will be void.

Q) I placed a bet on Rooney to score the first goal which he did, but the match was abandoned minutes later. What happens to my bet?
A) This bet will be settled as a winner, with bets on other players in the first goal scorer market being losing selections.

Q) If a game is abandoned in the 88th minute with the home side leading 2-0 what happens to my bet placed on the correct score 2-0?
A) As the game had not completed all bets on correct score market, along with other markets in which a winning selection has not been determined, will be void.

Other books may have different rules.

[lonnie55]

If you cash out at 1-0, nothing has been "decided" regardless if the game is abd or not after. Thats the poit of cashout, nothing has been decided but you can take this offer to finish the transaction.

If you bet on Total Goals Over 0.5 (Under 0.5) or Home Team to Score (to Not Score), the bet has won (lost), ergo it's decided, regardless if the game is abandoned or not. All other bets are not yet decided.

Cashout should stand. Thats why its called cashout. For me if they void it,they can void 3:0 cashout if 3:3 is FT and you bet home team. Very stupid rule if they void cashout,and very smart question.

I don't agree. A bet is a contract with TWO PARTIES INVOLVED. One central part of this contract is that both parties assume that the match would be finished regularly. The cash out amount is based and calculated on this condition. So if the match will not be finished regularly the "contractual symmetry" (I don't know the correct legal term in English) is not given anymore.

Of course the condition can be changed but that would result in a lower cash out amount.

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Cashout should stand. Thats why its called cashout. For me if they void it,they can void 3:0 cashout if 3:3 is FT and you bet home team. Very stupid rule if they void cashout,and very smart question.

Thats what i thought as well. If someone had arsenal to win pre match, and it was abd... then the bet would be pending then void.

But if someone cashed out, the bet has been settled, then voided, which is harder to understand/take.

You'd have to read the book rules to know either way. Or tell us the book and link the rules for people here to opine about.

[cashin81]

If you bet on Total Goals Over 0.5 (Under 0.5) or Home Team to Score (to Not Score), the bet has won (lost), ergo it's decided, regardless if the game is abandoned or not. All other bets are not yet decided.




I don't agree. A bet is a contract with TWO PARTIES INVOLVED. One central part of this contract is that both parties assume that the match would be finished regularly. The cash out amount is based and calculated on this condition. So if the match will not be finished regularly the "contractual symmetry" (I don't know the correct legal term in English) is not given anymore.

Of course the condition can be changed but that would result in a lower cash out amount.

i totally understand the decided rule. 7-0 abd, over 6.5 pay, -1.5 no pay.

my point is when you specifically cash out a bet, at that point you are no longer backing arsenal to win or lose. The bet has been decided before abd......but the guy who has not cashed out arsenal to win, he cant win because arsenal didnt win the match.

its a big company but small sportsbook, i dont wanna name them really
skybet says standard rules apply and if b365 cancels, i have my answer. thx

[lonnie55]

my point is when you specifically cash out a bet, at that point you are no longer backing arsenal to win or lose. The bet has been decided before abd......but the guy who has not cashed out arsenal to win, he cant win because arsenal didnt win the match.

And my point is that the cash out amount offered to you by the book is calculated upon the premise that the match will be finished regularly.

Maybe there are books that say 'Bets that have been cashed out stand regardless if the match is regularly finished or not' or something like that but that would result in lower cash out amounts because the risk of the game being abandoned must be priced in.