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  • Ant23
    Restricted User
    • 02-14-19
    • 492

    #1
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    BOVADA has suspended all CS support via phone until further notice!!!

    Had an issue last night after winning a Texas Hold Em tournament and got ABSOLUTELY NO HELP via Live Chat or in their community from the moderators who evidently weren't available even though their profiles said they were so I decided to call CS #...............Surprised to get a recorded message that said NO CS agents were available as of March 25th, 2020 due to the #coronavirus

    My concern is if that's the case then why do they fly that blue banner on the Homepage that says "amidst COVID-19, our decades of experience has allowed us to maintain onsite operations, including fast wager and withdrawal procesing while ensuring our CUSTOMER SERVICE remains world-class"

    I dealt with an agent in Live Chat for nearly an hour trying to get my question/concerns answered only to be left scratching my head b/c he knew less than I did!!!

    Bovada and any other sportsbook that flies a banner that is 100% FALSE needs its grade dropped on SBR regardless of #coronavirus
  • Jared Brooks
    SBR High Roller
    • 02-10-17
    • 152

    #2
    That seems like a silly reason to drop a grade....I think factors like payout speed, limits, speed/convenience interface and minimizing KYC hoop-jumping should matter about 300x more.
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    • mtneer1212
      SBR MVP
      • 06-22-08
      • 4993

      #3
      All of these call centers are scrambling, both here and the US. I get your frustration, but once everyone adjusts to 'working remotely', things will settle down.

      Grade drop? Ummm, no.
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      • Ant23
        Restricted User
        • 02-14-19
        • 492

        #4
        Maybe not drop the grade........but usually when the "wheels" fall off they normally don't all fall at once. It will normally fall 1x1. I hope they prove me wrong but it seems the A+ books Bovada & BOL are going through the sickness of #coronavirus and I don't understand how w/all the $$$ they make in the Poker Room as well as the Live Dealer option

        I hope I'm wrong
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        • Jared Brooks
          SBR High Roller
          • 02-10-17
          • 152

          #5
          Originally posted by Ant23
          Maybe not drop the grade........but usually when the "wheels" fall off they normally don't all fall at once. It will normally fall 1x1. I hope they prove me wrong but it seems the A+ books Bovada & BOL are going through the sickness of #coronavirus and I don't understand how w/all the $$$ they make in the Poker Room as well as the Live Dealer option

          I hope I'm wrong
          Yeah this situation is showing that even the big boys weren't fully prepared for a major shock. Still, they have their reputation for a reason and I think they'll make it through fine even though it will inconvenience us. Big credit to the less established books that are paying out as normal.

          The good side of this situation is it will reveal to us which books are fiscally sound.
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          • PaperTrail07
            SBR Posting Legend
            • 08-29-08
            • 20423

            #6
            nobody in the world, beside a very select few-were prepared for this......everyone deserves a little bit of a break-books included IMO...
            Originally posted by Jared Brooks
            Yeah this situation is showing that even the big boys weren't fully prepared for a major shock. Still, they have their reputation for a reason and I think they'll make it through fine even though it will inconvenience us. Big credit to the less established books that are paying out as normal.

            The good side of this situation is it will reveal to us which books are fiscally sound.
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            • Jared Brooks
              SBR High Roller
              • 02-10-17
              • 152

              #7
              Originally posted by PaperTrail07
              nobody in the world, beside a very select few-were prepared for this......everyone deserves a little bit of a break-books included IMO...
              Frankly they should have been ready and I think many books will improve from this. Also, giving the books a break means not giving the players a break.
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              • littlekona
                SBR Hall of Famer
                • 11-19-15
                • 5242

                #8
                many books and agents dont even offer phone CS anymore. I know even for me @ heritage when i tried to call once to cancel a bet they told me chat only on the recorded line no live help for me via phone. Most all BTC books are like this too
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                • Ant23
                  Restricted User
                  • 02-14-19
                  • 492

                  #9
                  I don't have a problem with no CS calls but at the very least TRAIN UP your Live Chat agents so they aren't stumbling over what should be very easy questions if you're employed @ any book!!! Wasted almost 1 hour last night in Live Chat b/c the agent didn't understand/know what it took another agent 1 minute to fix!!!

                  We are over 1100 dead in USA.......Keep an eye on your loved ones folks.....this S### ain't nothing to play around with
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                  • Jared Brooks
                    SBR High Roller
                    • 02-10-17
                    • 152

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Ant23
                    We are over 1100 dead in USA.......Keep an eye on your loved ones folks.....this S### ain't nothing to play around with
                    How many dead from ordinary flu over the same period? Lots of Washington lobbyists about to get extremely rich.

                    Originally posted by Ant23
                    I don't have a problem with no CS calls but at the very least TRAIN UP your Live Chat agents so they aren't stumbling over what should be very easy questions if you're employed @ any book!!! Wasted almost 1 hour last night in Live Chat b/c the agent didn't understand/know what it took another agent 1 minute to fix!!!
                    Definitely agree on that one!
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                    • Ant23
                      Restricted User
                      • 02-14-19
                      • 492

                      #11
                      Jared have you ever heard of the "GOLDEN RULE"?........no not the one your parents/grandparents/teachers taught you but the GOLDEN RULE for government? It goes something like this and it holds true in most scenarios/businesses/corporations/factories etc.......the golden rule is....

                      THOSE WITH THE GOLD.........MAKE THE RULES!!!!!!!

                      Name a senator or House member who ain't getting their hands greased from "BIG" BUSINESS!!!!
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                      • Jared Brooks
                        SBR High Roller
                        • 02-10-17
                        • 152

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Ant23
                        Jared have you ever heard of the "GOLDEN RULE"?........no not the one your parents/grandparents/teachers taught you but the GOLDEN RULE for government? It goes something like this and it holds true in most scenarios/businesses/corporations/factories etc.......the golden rule is....
                        THOSE WITH THE GOLD.........MAKE THE RULES!!!!!!!

                        Name a senator or House member who ain't getting their hands greased from "BIG" BUSINESS!!!!

                        You and I think alike, my friend
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                        • pimike
                          BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                          • 03-23-08
                          • 37139

                          #13
                          Originally posted by littlekona
                          many books and agents dont even offer phone CS anymore. I know even for me @ heritage when i tried to call once to cancel a bet they told me chat only on the recorded line no live help for me via phone. Most all BTC books are like this too
                          Yep I’m on the no phone list.

                          Lol

                          That being said they like to call me all the time...
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                          • Barrakuda
                            SBR Wise Guy
                            • 02-28-18
                            • 786

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Jared Brooks
                            How many dead from ordinary flu over the same period? Lots of Washington lobbyists about to get extremely rich.



                            Definitely agree on that one!
                            Look up exponential growth. Math is hard.
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                            • DontTailMe
                              SBR MVP
                              • 03-24-19
                              • 2897

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Barrakuda
                              Look up exponential growth. Math is hard.
                              Yeah, the US had 802 deaths in the first 2 months of this virus on our shores....and 494 deaths in the last 48 hours. Turns out epidemiologists actually know what they're talking about. Go figure.
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                              • jjgold
                                SBR Aristocracy
                                • 07-20-05
                                • 388179

                                #16
                                Originally posted by Jared Brooks
                                Yeah this situation is showing that even the big boys weren't fully prepared for a major shock. Still, they have their reputation for a reason and I think they'll make it through fine even though it will inconvenience us. Big credit to the less established books that are paying out as normal.

                                The good side of this situation is it will reveal to us which books are fiscally sound.
                                no one in world was prepared for this not even USA gov't
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                                • pimike
                                  BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                  • 03-23-08
                                  • 37139

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by jjgold
                                  no one in world was prepared for this not even USA gov't
                                  Exactly..
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                                  • pologq
                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                    • 10-07-12
                                    • 19899

                                    #18
                                    i do wish live chat was better trained at most books even before this

                                    too many know generic answers only
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                                    • Jared Brooks
                                      SBR High Roller
                                      • 02-10-17
                                      • 152

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by Barrakuda
                                      Look up exponential growth. Math is hard.
                                      Influenza spreads exponentially too. Total garden-variety flu deaths this season will exceed total COVID-19 deaths, take it to the bookie.
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                                      • DontTailMe
                                        SBR MVP
                                        • 03-24-19
                                        • 2897

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by Jared Brooks
                                        Influenza spreads exponentially too. Total garden-variety flu deaths this season will exceed total COVID-19 deaths, take it to the bookie.
                                        They aren't even close. Despite the fact that it mutates, we have some degree of herd immunity to the influenza due to (a) past infections, and (b) a vaccine.

                                        For coronavirus, we have neither (a) nor (b). Essentially, we are all sitting ducks, and this allows the disease to spread MUCH faster.

                                        R0 for the flu is about 1.0 to 1.1. That's not really exponential. R0 for this coronavirus is 2.5, which is how we get our number of cases doubling every few days.

                                        You really need to stop listening to anyone who tells you that COVID-19 is just a more severe flu season. They're either lying or ignorant. Maybe it will become more clear when you see the US running out of space in our morgues in April/June.
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                                        • Jared Brooks
                                          SBR High Roller
                                          • 02-10-17
                                          • 152

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by DontTailMe
                                          They aren't even close. Despite the fact that it mutates, we have some degree of herd immunity to the influenza due to (a) past infections, and (b) a vaccine.

                                          For coronavirus, we have neither (a) nor (b). Essentially, we are all sitting ducks, and this allows the disease to spread MUCH faster.

                                          R0 for the flu is about 1.0 to 1.1. That's not really exponential. R0 for this coronavirus is 2.5, which is how we get our number of cases doubling every few days.

                                          You really need to stop listening to anyone who tells you that COVID-19 is just a more severe flu season. They're either lying or ignorant. Maybe it will become more clear when you see the US running out of space in our morgues in April/June.
                                          Will COVID-19 kill more or less people in the US than the flu before Dec 31 2020? I'll take "less" at even odds. Official CDC data determine the bet outcome. In?
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                                          • DontTailMe
                                            SBR MVP
                                            • 03-24-19
                                            • 2897

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by Jared Brooks
                                            Will COVID-19 kill more or less people in the US than the flu before Dec 31 2020? I'll take "less" at even odds. Official CDC data determine the bet outcome. In?
                                            Sure. How much would you like to bet? I will 100% honor any bet.
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                                            • Optional
                                              Administrator
                                              • 06-10-10
                                              • 61508

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by Jared Brooks
                                              Influenza spreads exponentially too. Total garden-variety flu deaths this season will exceed total COVID-19 deaths, take it to the bookie.
                                              Flu takes about 100 per day in USA in an average year in recent times.

                                              Death toll is already more than double that per day, and growing fast. Not sure where this confidence comes from but if I was betting you I would want someone to hold the points. As you have close enough to zero chance of winning. And if you think this is no worse than the flu, your chances or getting infected are probably higher than average too.
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                                              • Ant23
                                                Restricted User
                                                • 02-14-19
                                                • 492

                                                #24
                                                So what happened to the guys post about Bookmaker.eu and the issue he was having with a $7k table tennis match? I saw it last night and today it's like a fart in a whirlpool.......it's gone!!
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                                                • Optional
                                                  Administrator
                                                  • 06-10-10
                                                  • 61508

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by Ant23
                                                  So what happened to the guys post about Bookmaker.eu and the issue he was having with a $7k table tennis match? I saw it last night and today it's like a fart in a whirlpool.......it's gone!!
                                                  His bet was voided as he wanted in end.

                                                  But he kept going on about the book being broke and stealing blah blah. So admin decided the thread was best gone as it was dumb, and pointless, once he was fixed up.
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