Fairlay currently stealing my btc, 6 figures

[degen1]

It's not a sudden change of heart. It's being worn down after many weeks of you constantly asking who I am. You were told more than once why it would not be discussed. Then the next week, you are back at the same thing again.

It is also re-confirmed by you posting that direct lie, that you did not ask once.

Once again, making me look bad, like I might be the friggin liar here!!!

You asked multiple people and did it at least half a dozen times.


Same as you did to SBR with Fairlay... authorize SBR to act for you, then once we do, you start on with the claims of it being illegal for them to give us info, and how you plan to take legal action over it.

You're last PM is still saying you need more info about what Fairlay told SBR so you can instruct a lawyer... even after you got paid. If you think I am going to give you ANYTHING more to use against ANYONE, you have lost your mind. I don't trust you.

Aight dude that’s fine, if you’re not going to let me cite the emails and messages you’re referring to then I don’t really care to keep going on this back and forth. You’re upset and feel used and I’m sorry that wasn’t my intention. I’ve already expressed gratitude and apologies. I don’t agree with the identity thing and I don’t understand how the other piece matters to you or affects you. I was trying to reconcile and clarify my intentions while respecting your feelings and reactions. It’s clear you wont change your mind though.

So I wont interact with you or ask you any more questions anymore. There’s more to the story that I’d like to share and I think other people would like to hear. I won’t any more post the emails or messages I sent to you to give the other users an opportunity to decide for themselves since you will censor them. But I think enough has already been shown that there’s more to it than just what you are saying. If you want to kick me off the platform that is fine too.

[Optional]

Aight dude that’s fine, if you’re not going to let me cite the emails and messages you’re referring to then I don’t really care to keep going on this back and forth. You’re upset and feel used and I’m sorry that wasn’t my intention. I’ve already expressed gratitude and apologies. I don’t agree with the identity thing and I don’t understand how the other piece matters to you or affects you. I was trying to reconcile and clarify my intentions while respecting your feelings and reactions. It’s clear you wont change your mind though.

So I wont interact with you or ask you any more questions anymore. There’s more to the story that I’d like to share and I think other people would like to hear. I won’t any more post the emails or messages I sent to you to give the other users an opportunity to decide for themselves since you will censor them. But I think enough has already been shown that there’s more to it than just what you are saying. If you want to kick me off the platform that is fine too.

Man you are such a game player.

Did you ask about my identity multiple times?

You posted that I lied about this.

You said you did not ask once.

You're a game player and a blatent liar.



How could ANY private message prove you did not ask btw? You're so full of crap you just deflect with anything. rather than be honest. You know I don't want my personal info out there, but you are now happy to post our private messages with your theories about who I am anyway? Why??? What will it prove?

I'd like you to clearly confirm that you are the liar here, and stop trying to suggest I am being untruthful or unfair.

Everything I have said is completely factual.

[degen1]

Man you are such a game player.

Did you ask about my identity multiple times?

You posted that I lied about this.

You said you did not ask once.

You're a game player and a blatent liar.



How could ANY private message prove you did not ask btw? You're so full of crap you just deflect with anything. rather than be honest. You know I don't want my personal info out there, but you are now happy to post our private messages with your theories about who I am anyway? Why??? What will it prove?

I'd like you to clearly confirm that you are the liar here, and stop trying to suggest I am being untruthful or unfair.

Everything I have said is completely factual.

I did not post private messages to show who you are but to show I simply did not ask who you are. Without letting everyone see the message you can’t claim what I was doing or not doing. Let’s evidence base this argument if you want

[Optional]

I did not post private messages to show who you are but to show I simply did not ask who you are. Without letting everyone see the message you can’t claim what I was doing or not doing. Let’s evidence base this argument if you want

WOW.

So you are sticking to your story that you never asked once? And I am lying?

Then what happened. I just lost my mind and decided to make it up and turn on you for no reason?


It is not possible to prove a negative. There is nothing in any private message between us that could possibly prove you did not do something.

What you want to do is justify why you kept asking over and again. You won't be discussing your theory here in public. You were told in private it was not your business, you did not need to know, and should not be asking about it as nothing would be confirmed either way.


This interaction should help everyone understand what went on with Degen playing his games to create friction between Fairlay and SBR with his repeated threats against them for speaking with us.

Smart guy I guess. Got his way.

But obviously cannot lie straight in bed and does not know when to stop.

[degen1]

WOW.

So you are sticking to your story that you never asked once? And I am lying?

Then what happened. I just lost my mind and decided to make it up and turn on you for no reason?


It is not possible to prove a negative. There is nothing in any private message between us that could possibly prove you did not do something.

What you want to do is justify why you kept asking over and again. You won't be discussing your theory here in public. You were told in private it was not your business, you did not need to know, and should not be asking about it as nothing would be confirmed either way.


This interaction should help everyone understand what went on with Degen playing his games to create friction between Fairlay and SBR with his repeated threats against them for speaking with us.

Smart guy I guess. Got his way.

But obviously cannot lie straight in bed and does not know when to stop.

Nah not saying you’re lying. Just saying you’re misunderstanding or choosing to be confrontational. Maybe Fairlay spooked you or you got paid off. I have no idea. I don’t really get what you’re making a big deal out of. A lot of what you’re bringing up has been the case for months. Clearly I’ve apologized and respected you, but I’m not gonna just eat the shit you are throwing at me. Having said that I’ve stated I’m here to tell my story and also get my money back. If you’re upset with me I said I’m sorry, whatever you want me to be I’ll be. But if you discredit me and what I’m saying you’re wasting the work we did past couple months, and I’m gonna confront you on that. If you’re so confident in the facts, then let me post what I want. Most likely no one gives a shit, but those that do don’t have to speculate and can decide for themselves. You’re speaking on your domain, if you choose to discredit me you can, but you’ve already done a bad job man. You’ve censored me and not really given a coherent and logical argument. brads been dope with me, I’d rather talk to him than you.

[Ant23]

Who wants to lay some $$$ on who is the "grown up" & let this $hit go?

ODDS are as follows:
degen1...+250
Optional...-300

Who wanna bet

[DontTailMe]

WOW.

So you are sticking to your story that you never asked once? And I am lying?

Then what happened. I just lost my mind and decided to make it up and turn on you for no reason?


It is not possible to prove a negative. There is nothing in any private message between us that could possibly prove you did not do something.

What you want to do is justify why you kept asking over and again. You won't be discussing your theory here in public. You were told in private it was not your business, you did not need to know, and should not be asking about it as nothing would be confirmed either way.


This interaction should help everyone understand what went on with Degen playing his games to create friction between Fairlay and SBR with his repeated threats against them for speaking with us.

Smart guy I guess. Got his way.

But obviously cannot lie straight in bed and does not know when to stop.

It sounds like you guys are talking past each other. There's a nuance that is being ignored here. Degen is saying he didn't ask for your identity because he doesn't care who you are, generally. If you're Bob Shnob, he doesn't need to know that. He wanted to know, specifically, if you were the same guy who was working his case. It would kind of make sense for him to want to know that, since he's obviously had conversation with you on the topic. It's fine that you don't care to share that information, but it make sense for him to ask.

But I can only go by what he says here because we obviously can't see the message(s).

[TwitchySeal]

Man you are such a game player.

I'd like you to clearly confirm that you are the liar here, and stop trying to suggest I am being untruthful or unfair.

Imagine how pissed you would be if someone with an established reputation/ forum mod posted a bunch of lies about you. (Which is exactly what you did to me).

Seriously. Imagine what it would feel like.

[Bsims]

Most likely no one gives a shit,

Amen, let it go.

[degen1]

It sounds like you guys are talking past each other. There's a nuance that is being ignored here. Degen is saying he didn't ask for your identity because he doesn't care who you are, generally. If you're Bob Shnob, he doesn't need to know that. He wanted to know, specifically, if you were the same guy who was working his case. It would kind of make sense for him to want to know that, since he's obviously had conversation with you on the topic. It's fine that you don't care to share that information, but it make sense for him to ask.

But I can only go by what he says here because we obviously can't see the message(s).

F***ing thank you, man. Nail on the head. I tried to give you points but it won’t let me

[Optional]

It sounds like you guys are talking past each other. There's a nuance that is being ignored here. Degen is saying he didn't ask for your identity because he doesn't care who you are, generally. If you're Bob Shnob, he doesn't need to know that. He wanted to know, specifically, if you were the same guy who was working his case. It would kind of make sense for him to want to know that, since he's obviously had conversation with you on the topic. It's fine that you don't care to share that information, but it make sense for him to ask.

But I can only go by what he says here because we obviously can't see the message(s).

When he asked if I was also his agent he was told we don't discuss staff identities. If I confirm who I am not for people, that may confirm who someone else is. After that he went to two other staff asking the same thing, and came back asking me again after that. Now weeks later he sends me yet another message saying I don't care but tell me if this is you.

Excuse me for getting suspicious about his intent after all that. Especially when he is also talking about suing people for sharing his info and is in the middle of a serious legal matter as well. I don't think he would hesitate for a moment to drag me into his legal battle if it suits his purposes.


Anyway I see he is now trying to smear me with suggestions Fairlay paid me off to be annoyed at him!

Almost as classy as this line, "I don’t think I’ve asked for your name once" - Degen1

[degen1]

When he asked if I was also his agent he was told we don't discuss staff identities. If I confirm who I am not for people, that may confirm who someone else is. After that he went to two other staff asking the same thing, and came back asking me again after that. Now weeks later he sends me yet another message saying I don't care but tell me if this is you.

Excuse me for getting suspicious about his intent after all that. Especially when he is also talking about suing people for sharing his info and is in the middle of a serious legal matter as well. I don't think he would hesitate for a moment to drag me into his legal battle if it suits his purposes.


Anyway I see he is now trying to smear me with suggestions Fairlay paid me off to be annoyed at him!

Almost as classy as this line, "I don’t think I’ve asked for your name once" - Degen1

I’m not in a legal matter yet but if they don’t provide me w explanation or rest of my funds/settle then yeah I could go that route. I’ve asked them to engage in arbitration. I didn’t go around bugging people about your identity. I apologized to Matt, and I haven’t brought it up besides saying what’s your deal/why hasn’t my agent responded. I already know who you are man, it doesn’t matter to me. Just wanted information. You’re freaking out for god knows why.

[degen1]

Amen, let it go.

Best quote me fully friend, don’t need to be here

[ShanghaiBeijing1]

Maybe Fairlay spooked you or you got paid off. I have no idea.

Wow....So no good deed goes unpunished I guess?

[Optional]

Geez... you send another PM carrying on about who you think I am again now???

I don't give a stuff about why you think what you think. I don't want to discuss it with you.


Saying it nicely didn't work.

Explaining why didn't work.

Losing it and answering you in this thread why you weren't getting any more answers didn't work.

Saying it back and forth in a stupid argument for the last 2 pages hasn't worked.


Is there a secret to getting you to stop asking who I am that I've missed trying?

[degen1]

Geez... you send another PM carrying on about who you think I am again now???

I don't give a stuff about why you think what you think. I don't want to discuss it with you.


Saying it nicely didn't work.

Explaining why didn't work.

Losing it and answering you in this thread why you weren't getting any more answers didn't work.

Saying it back and forth in a stupid argument for the last 2 pages hasn't worked.


Is there a secret to getting you to stop asking who I am that I've missed trying?

Lol I just told you who I am, to show you I don’t give a shit. I didn’t ask you who you were. Stop saying I am trying to ask you who you are. I am literally universally saying I do not give a penetrate. And realistically if you ask me, I wouldn’t need to ask cause I already have a lot of confirmation of who you are

[Optional]

Lol I just told you who I am, to show you I don’t give a shit. I didn’t ask you who you were. Stop saying I am trying to ask you who you are. I am literally universally saying I do not give a penetrate. And realistically if you ask me, I wouldn’t need to ask cause I already have a lot of confirmation of who you are

No matter how many times or ways you try to get me to confirm or deny your theories, I won't be giving you any clues either way.

And you've guaranteed yourself a hostile witness if authorities do contact me now btw. So you had better hope that doesn't happen smart guy.

[degen1]

No matter how many times or ways you try to get me to confirm or deny your theories, I won't be giving you any clues either way.

And you've guaranteed yourself a hostile witness if authorities do contact me now btw. So you had better hope that doesn't happen smart guy.

Whatever bro, there are no authorities, you just answered all my questions anyways. You still believe that bogus ass story

You don’t even understand what a hostile witness is.

[Ant23]

For Pete's sake give it a rest!!! For you to have enough funds to have six figures in an account you act like a moron. Why are you getting off on messing with Optional? You have posted more times on this b.s. than you did begging SBR for help with Fairlay. Take some of that $$$ SBR helped you recover and build a got damn bridge and GET OVER IT!!! This is a forum for SPORTSBOOK & INDUSTRY.......not a got damn soap opera mixed with a lil' Jerry Springer

[Ant23]

Optional.......just BAN his azz........end of story

[degen1]

Optional.......just BAN his azz........end of story

Do it, that’d be the nail on the coffin

[Optional]

Lol I just told you who I am, to show you I don’t give a shit. I didn’t ask you who you were. Stop saying I am trying to ask you who you are. I am literally universally saying I do not give a penetrate. And realistically if you ask me, I wouldn’t need to ask cause I already have a lot of confirmation of who you are

Notice the time on my post and the time on your PM with your name in it. I had not seen it. I was talking about your 2nd last PM.

Anyway, I definitely do not want more information about you.

I want you to respect my repeated requests for some privacy.

[degen1]

Notice the time on my post and the time on your PM with your name in it. I had not seen it. I was talking about your 2nd last PM.

Anyway, I definitely do not want more information about you.

I want you to respect my repeated requests for some privacy.

For sure man, I already said that’s fine, you just kept tossing accusations at me that didn’t make sense to me and felt unfair. It’s all around pretty confusing why you’re now treating me this way. Ok : re PMs

[Optional]

Whatever bro, there are no authorities, you just answered all my questions anyways. You still believe that bogus ass story

You don’t even understand what a hostile witness is.

If it isn't a witness the defendant harassed to the point they prefer to see you go down than get off, then I guess I may not.

And how would I know which story is bogus? From what I have been told both parties have not been open and honest from day one, and both stories conflict heavily. You suggesting I was lying by posting that you had not even asked about me once, does not make me lean your way in the believability battle though.


You "know who I am". "I've answered all your questions".

You're doing a nice job of creeping me out even more now too.


Why do you even have questions at all?

What did the guy who stuck his neck out to help you get paid do to deserve to be focus or your interest and questions over so many weeks now?

[Ant23]

Mancrush?
serial stalker

[degen1]

If it isn't a witness the defendant harassed to the point they prefer to see you go down than get off, then I guess I may not.

And how would I know which story is bogus? From what I have been told both parties have not been open and honest from day one, and both stories conflict heavily. You suggesting I was lying by posting that you had not even asked about me once, does not make me lean your way in the believability battle though.


You "know who I am". "I've answered all your questions".

You're doing a nice job of creeping me out even more now too.


Why do you even have questions at all?

What did the guy who stuck his neck out to help you get paid do to deserve to be focus or your interest and questions over so many weeks now?

Idk man, this bridge got burnt and it wasn’t my intention. You just kind of came at me and we’ve just gone from there. I don’t know at what point I’ve been dishonest, if you’ve got questions for me I’ll answer for you. The other stuff is whatever man, I’m not denying what you’re saying I’m just explaining myself and asking why it is so awful to have done what I did with the intentions I had. Unbiased parties should be pretty able to see that. If you actually care I’d say you should review everything w a colleague and get his/her opinion. I’m sorry you’re spooked, but legitimately I have no ill intentions towards you and you have nothing to worry about on my end. I can share w you plenty, or if you ask me something where you think I’ve been dishonest then I’ll give you straight up answer. Just pm me or email me or whatever you want. I feel like I’m staying patient and reasonable here

[ehp6737]

I'm still trying to reconcile how someone who has 100k to drop also has all the traits and posting pattern of a troll living in his mama's basement and air betting all day.

In over a decade of posting here it's the first time Ive seen these two worlds collide.

Congrats OP, you are truly an innovator

[Optional]

Ok. Let's drop it.

[hustledouble]

thread of the year!

[Barrakuda]

Lol I just told you who I am, to show you I don’t give a shit. I didn’t ask you who you were. Stop saying I am trying to ask you who you are. I am literally universally saying I do not give a penetrate. And realistically if you ask me, I wouldn’t need to ask cause I already have a lot of confirmation of who you are

I've read this thread top to bottom. I think Optional is 80% decent guy / 20% vengeful dick. I've seen both sides.

That said, degen: you need to make a decision. Either man up and treat this as a serious legal matter, or shut up. For some reason, you've decided to try for the middle ground and play like it's not a big deal to you, yet constantly harass SBR as if they are your paid representation.

[Barrakuda]

As for SBRs involvement, the dispute agent has information to what Fairlay was originally claiming. He was reserved to not tell me in case it was as they claimed. However it’s clearly the opposite and they won’t tell me the accusation themselves bc of embarrassment and liability (they know I’m seeking damages). So I’m not sure now where he is or why he isn’t just telling me. They’ve even admitted they didn’t have to do anything if they were contacted by an enforcement agency. It’s fine if he doesn’t want to still, I’d just like a response at least and ideally why he wouldn’t want to still. If I’m told to penetrate off that’s okay too, but really it makes me feel more questionable that even after all this when I’m finally feeling vindicated, all the accusations fly out the window but no explanations replace them...

You sound like a smart-ish guy... (110 <= IQ <= 120).

What, exactly, is the upside for SBR not telling you to penetrate off?

[mrpapageorgio]

So I wont interact with you or ask you any more questions anymore. There’s more to the story that I’d like to share and I think other people would like to hear. I won’t any more post the emails or messages I sent to you to give the other users an opportunity to decide for themselves since you will censor them. But I think enough has already been shown that there’s more to it than just what you are saying. If you want to kick me off the platform that is fine too.

Maybe you were innocent in your follow-ups regarding Optional, but he's made it clear he doesn't want his identity exposed and it's apparent he feels your actions/messages were putting his anonymity at risk and now no longer wants to be further involved in the matter.

Whether his concern is justified or not, you can't seem to just let it rest for whatever reason and want to keep poking the bear. Even if Optional is wrong and he is being paranoid, just be the bigger person and let it go.

That said, I doubt most people here (including myself) are interested in the pissing match between you and Optional. Personally, I'm more interested in you doing what you claimed you would do in Post #560 and tell us what Fairlay is accusing you of (to SBR and the exchange) and what they were claiming (including linking where they called you a gambling addict, etc) and telling us what the exchange responded with.


How about instead of continuing to burn the bridge, that is SBR that helped get you your Bitcoin back, by engaging with Optional, you put Fairlay on blast and spill what they did in detail instead of this vagueness that seems to be a theme with your posts regarding what Fairlay has done to you. I wish you would have the same spirit of transparency you had in this issue with Optional (by attempting to post the PMs between you and Optional) and apply it to the Fairlay matter by posting your conversations with Fairlay along with the other details that would give us more clarity on what was going on with them and you as a start. If Fairlay has a problem with it, I'm sure SBR would be more than happy to let them post a rebuttal.

That said, degen: you need to make a decision. Either man up and treat this as a serious legal matter, or shut up. For some reason, you've decided to try for the middle ground and play like it's not a big deal to you, yet constantly harass SBR as if they are your paid representation.

[BigJay]

This thread is exhausting.

It’s the antithesis of the epic JayVegas420 long thread.

[Barrakuda]

I'm still trying to reconcile how someone who has 100k to drop also has all the traits and posting pattern of a troll living in his mama's basement and air betting all day.

In over a decade of posting here it's the first time Ive seen these two worlds collide.

Congrats OP, you are truly an innovator

This. This is the question.

[fried cheese]

i hope degen1 goes to shari's wedding.