Fairlay currently stealing my btc, 6 figures

[raiders72001]

I’m down to provide more details now that I’ve gotten most back and bc they are clearly just being assholes now (they meaning Fairlay). Basically they haven’t given me all of my deposit back, they held onto stuff for two months, within the time frame btc lost 20-30% of value. Every time they stated something or promised something it’s been factually proven incorrect or they failed to fulfill their promise. I dont know what it takes to clear my virtual name or at what point someone is simply willing to admit their mistake. The CEO called me a gambling addict and they threatened me if I didn’t edit my posts to say what they wanted to say. I kept the former under wraps and obligated the second out of good faith. They on the other hand have been vindictive. They have been passive aggressive and accusatory in so many fashions and every time they’re wrong they refuse to apologize.

They sent to an exchange and wrote the exchange all these accusations expecting there was no way I’d get that money back but then it was given to me, and all they did was inconvenience me and leave an awkward mess for me. So really, I can and will later write a much more in depth post about all that they’ve done. The reality is now they won’t even respond to me and want me to communicate w a lawyer by penetrating post. I sent a letter and got no response and don’t even know if the address is real.

Somehow they have the audacity to still claim that they can’t give me the rest etc. it’s absurd. Really, someone justify their case now, Kona? Cause I’d love to hash this out.


As for SBRs involvement, the dispute agent has information to what Fairlay was originally claiming. He was reserved to not tell me in case it was as they claimed. However it’s clearly the opposite and they won’t tell me the accusation themselves bc of embarrassment and liability (they know I’m seeking damages). So I’m not sure now where he is or why he isn’t just telling me. They’ve even admitted they didn’t have to do anything if they were contacted by an enforcement agency. It’s fine if he doesn’t want to still, I’d just like a response at least and ideally why he wouldn’t want to still. If I’m told to penetrate off that’s okay too, but really it makes me feel more questionable that even after all this when I’m finally feeling vindicated, all the accusations fly out the window but no explanations replace them...

I'm glad that you received your money since I've been on your side the whole time. I dislike what you've posted about Optional. Although I don't know what happens behind the scenes, on board he's been behind you. You received 6 figures that you wouldn't have received without the help of SBR.

[Optional]

I am glad to hear Degen got most of his money too.

But both he and Fairlay have been overly interested in involving SBR in the areas of this dispute we have no interest in. And unfortunately the case degenerated into two heavily conflicting stories with both sides criticizing SBR and me in particular, so we stepped away and have left them both to it.

The book insisted I was told no more about the matter, so I can't give the forum any better explanation of Fairlay's side of this story than I already have. But they have been invited to supply a statement to be posted here if they wish.


But the bottom line is that a player had a deposit confiscated without a good explanation. We helped him get that explanation and most of his deposit returned. That specific issue is the scope of SBR's interest in the matter. Other legal battles are not our business.

[degen1]

I am glad to hear Degen got most of his money too.

But both he and Fairlay have been overly interested in involving SBR in the areas of this dispute we have no interest in. And unfortunately the case degenerated into two heavily conflicting stories with both sides criticizing SBR and me in particular, so we stepped away and have left them both to it.

The book insisted I was told no more about the matter, so I can't give the forum any better explanation of Fairlay's side of this story than I already have. But they have been invited to supply a statement to be posted here if they wish.


But the bottom line is that a player had a deposit confiscated without a good explanation. We helped him get that explanation and most of his deposit returned. That specific issue is the scope of SBR's interest in the matter. Other legal battles are not our business.

This is fine, I don’t feel like I got a real explanation from them.

How have I criticized SBR or you at all? Worst case I expressed frustration I haven’t heard back from my dispute agent but that’s not really criticism nor is that about you

We’ve had conflicting stories obviously bc they’re accusing me of shit I don’t understand. The difference is that everything I’ve said thus far has been true and not been proven otherwise. On the other hand, it’s the opposite for them. If you don’t believe that then email me and ask me whatever parts you guys doubt. I just don’t get this abrupt ending bc the last email I got from my agent was an encouraging email, and then nothing - but I didn’t say anything bad in the meanwhile. If you don’t care that’s also fine, but don’t throw ME under the bus now by saying I’ve been critical or obsessed with identities when I haven’t been either. If I have then just point it out and I’ll be even more apologetic. I’ve been contrite in my posts and very thankful, and I remain that way.

[degen1]

You are right that though guys have done plenty, I think there’s more you could help me with which is a plea and not a demand. You’re saying you won’t and that’s fine. It’s confusing to me, given that they’re the only ones who criticized you, and they’ve been wrong the whole time. But the bottom line is as you say and I am thankful for that. I will simply use the forum to further discuss ongoings and what happened and my agent will not have to be involved anymore.

A special thanks to Matt by the way

Thank you to other supporters here as well, including you Raiders, though again really don’t know where this offense is drawing from

[TheMoneyShot]

degen1 - no offense... but if you're complaining about a BTC fluctuation (because of funds being held for months etc) that's pretty steep. At least you got most of the funds back. Consider this a win no matter what. All we know is that Fairlay made up excuses holding your funds. We don't know the entire story... nor do we really care. No book should hold onto anyone's funds... just like RAIDERS mentioned.

Wish you the best of luck... and hope you find a better BTC book.

[degen1]

degen1 - no offense... but if you're complaining about a BTC fluctuation (because of funds being held for months etc) that's pretty steep. At least you got most of the funds back. Consider this a win no matter what. All we know is that Fairlay made up excuses holding your funds. We don't know the entire story... nor do we really care. No book should hold onto anyone's funds... just like RAIDERS mentioned.

Wish you the best of luck... and hope you find a better BTC book.

Thanks bro, goes beyond fluctuation though.

[TennisAceE]

Glad you were able to recover some of your BTC

[TwitchySeal]

Degen1,

Seems I made several incorrect assumptions about you and the overall situation. Sorry about that. Hope you understand it wasn't personal and just based on my personal experience dealing with similar situations over the years. I thought it was possible but very unlikely that you were actually as innocent as you claimed and fairlay was was responsible for all the shadiness in the situation.

Looking forward to your more in depth post.

[Optional]

This is fine, I don’t feel like I got a real explanation from them.

How have I criticized SBR or you at all? Worst case I expressed frustration I haven’t heard back from my dispute agent but that’s not really criticism nor is that about you

We’ve had conflicting stories obviously bc they’re accusing me of shit I don’t understand. The difference is that everything I’ve said thus far has been true and not been proven otherwise. On the other hand, it’s the opposite for them. If you don’t believe that then email me and ask me whatever parts you guys doubt. I just don’t get this abrupt ending bc the last email I got from my agent was an encouraging email, and then nothing - but I didn’t say anything bad in the meanwhile. If you don’t care that’s also fine, but don’t throw ME under the bus now by saying I’ve been critical or obsessed with identities when I haven’t been either. If I have then just point it out and I’ll be even more apologetic. I’ve been contrite in my posts and very thankful, and I remain that way.

Were you told that SBR had given you all the information we could pass on? Maybe even a few times?

How many emails have you sent since then saying stuff like it was illegal for SBR to get this info and we must give you more information to support you in other legal matters? Do you really need to be told we have given you all the info we can another dozen times? You show no respect and no appreciation at all for what was done for you by staff here.


You came here and asked SBR to approach them on your behalf, then you threatened them for acting illegally by talking to SBR for you and giving us any information. You made SBR look ridiculous to the book for your own purposes.

Why do you want to know my name? You've asked about my identity how many times now? Well the last time was the straw that broke the camels back. You're creeping me out dude!!

As I said I am glad you got your deposit back. But man, go away now please. I want nothing more to do with you or your problem. It's not worth the risk with the games you play.

[Craig22]

I'm glad that you received your money since I've been on your side the whole time. I dislike what you've posted about Optional. Although I don't know what happens behind the scenes, on board he's been behind you. You received 6 figures that you wouldn't have received without the help of SBR.

He did not receive the full amount since bitcoin dropped 20% in value while they were holding his money for 2 months. In essence, they owe him another 20,000.

[Ant23]

At this point who really gives a flying phuck?
Be gone degen1.......your presence is no longer needed here.

[raiders72001]

He did not receive the full amount since bitcoin dropped 20% in value while they were holding his money for 2 months. In essence, they owe him another 20,000.

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Fairlay does look bad even though some was paid back.

[Alfie White]

"You came here and asked SBR to approach them on your behalf, then you threatened them for acting illegally by talking to SBR for you and giving us any information. You made SBR look ridiculous to the book for your own purposes."

What a massive D move.
Pathetic.

[TheMoneyShot]

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Fairlay does look bad even though some was paid back.

100% Agreed. They look like a joke. Anyone who takes a good look at this thread should steer clear of Fairlay.

Owner(s) should be pounding their head against the wall for all the miscues. Fukking thieves.

[degen1]

Were you told that SBR had given you all the information we could pass on? Maybe even a few times?

How many emails have you sent since then saying stuff like it was illegal for SBR to get this info and we must give you more information to support you in other legal matters? Do you really need to be told we have given you all the info we can another dozen times? You show no respect and no appreciation at all for what was done for you by staff here.


You came here and asked SBR to approach them on your behalf, then you threatened them for acting illegally by talking to SBR for you and giving us any information. You made SBR look ridiculous to the book for your own purposes.

Why do you want to know my name? You've asked about my identity how many times now? Well the last time was the straw that broke the camels back. You're creeping me out dude!!

As I said I am glad you got your deposit back. But man, go away now please. I want nothing more to do with you or your problem. It's not worth the risk with the games you play.

I don’t think I’ve asked for your name once [snip remaining BS]

[degen1]

[snipped more BS and now posting private messages as well]

[degen1]

"You came here and asked SBR to approach them on your behalf, then you threatened them for acting illegally by talking to SBR for you and giving us any information. You made SBR look ridiculous to the book for your own purposes."

What a massive D move.
Pathetic.

Not the case





Edit to correct more lying: You complained about this to me by PM. You abused Fairlay for sharing info with SBR over and over and over again. You complained to the dispute agent that it is was illegal maybe half a dozen times.

Can you even lie straight in bed?

[cx89]

**TLDR - Poster got 70% of his monetary value back. Fairlay is incompetent and has/will steal money. This forum has fair lay shills posting @ SBR quite regularly.**

[degen1]

Dude are you forreal censoring me now? You just threw out all my posts. I am posting stuff that I’m allowed to and refute what you’re saying. I don’t know why you’re throwing me under the bus now, but I get to voice my side of my narrative if you are. Censoring what I have to say is even worse and unfair. I simply posted the message I sent to you that you’re referring to, and for you to hide it, makes me feel like you know that I didn’t ask for your identity. Which begs the question of why you have a sudden change of heart.

I should be able to post the facts and my opinion and people can make their own decisions. If you want to entirely control the narrative then I hope people will see that’s discrediting yourself.

[Bsims]

Give this a rest guys. It's over and done with.

[ehp6737]

Dude, just move on. Youve now burned all bridges. Your posts serve no more purpose here

[Optional]

Go away.

You were told it was policy to not discuss staff identities. In response you complained that Matt had already told you so I must be XYZ. You were told he was wrong to even discuss it with you and I would not be confirming anything for you. So you went to Brad and asked him. You were told again to mind your own damn business.

Does your last PM to me just the other day once again start our with a line about "You must be XYZ as Matt said that"???


So yes, I deleted the rest of your post about how you have not asked once!!!

And you do not get to discuss this further here, to defend yourself or not.



I put my neck on the chopping block to help you (but will never do that again after this experience). YOU protested that the info I posted to help you was illegally passed on by Fairlay.. is that 100% correct or not??


So yes, I deleted your re-post of private messages, and the lies saying that is not true.



Both you and Fairlay seem to want punish me for my part in this. I don't want you to know who I am. Why is it so weird to you that my identity is none of your fuggin business pal??



GO AWAY.

SBR has done all we can or will for you.

[degen1]

Go away.

You were told it was policy to not discuss staff identities. In response you complained that Matt had already told you so I must be XYZ. You were told he was wrong to even discuss it with you and I would not be confirming anything for you. So you went to Brad and asked him. You were told again to mind your own damn business.

Does your last PM to me just the other day once again start our with a line about "You must be XYZ as Matt said that"???


So yes, I deleted the rest of your post about how you have not asked once!!!

And you do not get to discuss this further here, to defend yourself or not.



I put my neck on the chopping block to help you (but will never do that again after this experience). YOU protested that the info I posted to help you was illegally passed on by Fairlay.. is that 100% correct or not??


So yes, I deleted your re-post of private messages, and the lies saying that is not true.



Both you and Fairlay seem to want punish me for my part in this. I don't want you to know who I am. Why is it so weird to you that my identity is none of your fuggin business pal??



GO AWAY.

SBR has done all we can or will for you.

I don’t understand what you’re actually upset about here. I’d like to seek to understand and then I’ll be on my way. I acknowledge what you’re saying about identities but me claiming that I was told you were XYZ, does not equal are you XYZ. The message illustrates that and so if you believe that still by reading that message I disagree and I think it’s important others see if you’re going to accuse me.

In terms of the Fairlay stuff I’m not sure what you’re saying. I’m most certainly not trying to punish you and I’m still on your side. I don’t know what illegally passed on means. My claim was that if there really was an investigation that they shouldn’t be throwing information out and therefore there was likely no investigation. I posted that on this forum ages ago, and I think you hinted that yourself previously (but not sure). So I don’t get what the issue there is, that’s A poor reflection on Fairlay, not you. So just clarify for me how I’m punishing you

[Pinocchio]

Okay, degen1, do the right thing now and send Optional 0.1 BTC for all the help getting you 'your' money back.

[Optional]

Okay, degen1, do the right thing now and send Optional 0.1 BTC for all the help getting you 'your' money back.

Not needed. It's a free service and tips are not accepted anyway.

[degen1]

Okay, degen1, do the right thing now and send Optional 0.1 BTC for all the help getting you 'your' money back.

I’d give him 1 btc happily

[TwitchySeal]

[snipped more BS and now posting private messages as well]

Censoring degen1s posts like this is a very bad look for SBR.

If there's a legitimate reason for censoring it, you should share that reason. Right now it looks like SBR is just being overly sensitive and power hungry.

Transparency.

[degen1]

It just doesn’t make sense to me why the sudden change of heart. Optional, you were hoping for this result and it reveals that you were right. Now for you to go and be upset I don’t understand. I am not concerned with your identity and I’ve said that consistently. The only utility it had was that if you and my agent were the same person it simplified and shaped communication.

In respect to Fairlay telling you information, I did say as a point against them that there’s no way there could be an investigation and they’d be so open about it to third parties. And if it were the case, then that’d be highly irresponsible of them.

That does not criticize you at all, nor should you be punished. I am not your enemy here. Please explain to me at least why the “illegally passing on” piece matters, and how that’s a bad thing for you? That’s their liability.

[Ant23]

I'm curious as to where LITTLE KONA went? For someone who was overly interested in this Fairlay drama he has been suspiciously quiet
Give it a rest guys.......this horse is beyond beaten!!!!

1. Guy says Fairlay shafted him
2. Same guy comes to SBR asking for help
3. SBR helps guy
4. Pizzing match ensues

[littlekona]

I'm curious as to where LITTLE KONA went? For someone who was overly interested in this Fairlay drama he has been suspiciously quiet
Give it a rest guys.......this horse is beyond beaten!!!!

1. Guy says Fairlay shafted him
2. Same guy comes to SBR asking for help
3. SBR helps guy
4. Pizzing match ensues

curious? just read the last post i made here pretty self explanatory...
SBR is a great service....think of them as a pro bono defense attorney while most players they help are great honest guys there are also some shady ass lying dirt bags too...

[Ant23]

Kona......so which category does degen1 fall? You were overly apologetic for Fairlay and then days.....weeks passed

[BigJay]

So bottom line is:

1. Fairlay wouldn’t send Degan his funds (large balance, about $100k)
2. Thanks in large part to Opti, Fairlay finally sent his money, which was about 80% of original balance because of BTC depreciation
3. SBR consensus is Fairlay sucks, can’t be trusted anymore and most of us will now avoid altogether because of how this was handled.

Did I miss anything?

Thread closed.

[Optional]

It just doesn’t make sense to me why the sudden change of heart. Optional, you were hoping for this result and it reveals that you were right. Now for you to go and be upset I don’t understand. I am not concerned with your identity and I’ve said that consistently. The only utility it had was that if you and my agent were the same person it simplified and shaped communication.

In respect to Fairlay telling you information, I did say as a point against them that there’s no way there could be an investigation and they’d be so open about it to third parties. And if it were the case, then that’d be highly irresponsible of them.

That does not criticize you at all, nor should you be punished. I am not your enemy here. Please explain to me at least why the “illegally passing on” piece matters, and how that’s a bad thing for you? That’s their liability.

It's not a sudden change of heart. It's being worn down after many weeks of you constantly asking who I am. You were told more than once why it would not be discussed. Then the next week, you are back at the same thing again.

It is also re-confirmed by you posting that direct lie, that you did not ask once.

Once again, making me look bad, like I might be the friggin liar here!!!

You asked multiple people and did it at least half a dozen times.


Same as you did to SBR with Fairlay... authorize SBR to act for you, then once we do, you start on with the claims of it being illegal for them to give us info, and how you plan to take legal action over it.

You're last PM is still saying you need more info about what Fairlay told SBR so you can instruct a lawyer... even after you got paid. If you think I am going to give you ANYTHING more to use against ANYONE, you have lost your mind. I don't trust you.

[degen1]

So bottom line is:

1. Fairlay wouldn’t send Degan his funds (large balance, about $100k)
2. Thanks in large part to Opti, Fairlay finally sent his money, which was about 80% of original balance because of BTC depreciation
3. SBR consensus is Fairlay sucks, can’t be trusted anymore and most of us will now avoid altogether because of how this was handled.

Did I miss anything?

Thread closed.

Re: #2 they did not send the entire amount in addition to the drop

[Optional]

Re: #2 they did not send the entire amount in addition to the drop

You won't even be open and honest about what they did pay you.

Or why they said they paid less than the full amount.


You just make vague suggestions to slur them without being honest about what has happened.