on link vip reduction level 5+ see that ? + would indicate higher level the + right?....I just glad live second half was available today whewwwww!!! saved my ass as early games killed me........2nd half over Dallas and that last min filed goal by SF whewwwww!!!!!! Love BTC!!!!
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This is getting absurd, kona please stop.Comment -
How can an illegal book (accepting US players)
confiscate anyone's deposits,period?Last edited by PAULYPOKER; 09-09-19, 03:57 AM.Comment -
If it were me...........
There would be some people I just happen to
know on the next flight to Costa Rica .....Comment -
This is the founder of Fairlay
He is a media darling in the crypto tech space.
Have you reached out to him to ask what he thinks of the company CEO's actions here Degen1?
I'd doubt a public figure like that could be happy about what his company is doing right now..Comment -
This. Kona is a shill -- a very good one, at that.
Kona, post a screenshot of https://fairlay.com/account/ with your ID blacked out.Comment -
Question for Optional:
If Fairlay had decided to go in with a referral program with SBR, would your comments about them be any different?Comment -
They could not be a sponsor here if they don't treat their customers fairly, and don't BS to SBR.
So almost for certain if they were a sponsor this thread would be about a dozen pages shorter and there would be no need to try to presure them to act properly in a public way like this.
Question for you:
It appears that you could not imagine yourself having the ability to be fair and reasonable with all parties if you were in my position.
Is that why you can't help making cynical jabs?.Comment -
He sold Fairlay two years ago. Moreover it seems like he doesn't want to be linked to it as he doesn't mention it anywhere in his vita.This is the founder of Fairlay
He is a media darling in the crypto tech space.
Have you reached out to him to ask what he thinks of the company CEO's actions here Degen1?
I'd doubt a public figure like that could be happy about what his company is doing right now.
The current CEO according to the site is Gabriel Oliveira: https://mobile.twitter.com/gabriel_oComment -
Yes, thanks lonnie. I agree Mr Koppelmann wants to distance himself from it too.
Mr Oliveira has been dealing with the matter with SBR..Comment -
I don't actually know anyone posting on this forum, hence don't really have enough information to make an informed judgment. However, I don't believe littlekona is a shill for anyone. He strikes me as a guy just defending his favorite book.
I have had interaction with him about Fairlay. I think they are simply incompetent. They have the crappiest interface I've ever dealt with . Littlekona disagrees and believes it's manageable. Maybe. But I don't have time to waste on them. Their lines aren't that great. Occasionally I'll find one that is a few cents better than the other books I deal with. Certainly not worth the time and effort required to find them.
Fairlay, fix your interface. I used Matchbook a few years back and they had a nice clean one. Good luck.Comment -
The link wouldn't open for me so sorry if this is mentioned. Koppelmann now spends his time on Gnosis. They raised $12.5m on the GNO ICO in 10 minutes.This is the founder of Fairlay
He is a media darling in the crypto tech space.
Have you reached out to him to ask what he thinks of the company CEO's actions here Degen1?
I'd doubt a public figure like that could be happy about what his company is doing right now.Comment -
Mr. degen1.......Time to go section 8!
You have no legal recourse......
So why do you have a lawyer on this?
The honest truth>
Any online gambling establishment that operates
offshore (out of reach of the"visible" US government) can at
anytime,confiscate(nah I said honest truth) steal
your money and there is not a Goddamned lawful thing
you can do about it......
It's null and void as far as the law is concerned........
Yes it's morally Godawful, but that's it..........
That's the chance you take going in....
From the moment you "give" them your money,
you're trying to win it back "from them" in their eyes.......
Books do not expect you to win it back because 95+%
does not and I'm being generous........
If you're in that generous 5%,you're a problem as far
as maximum profit is conconcerned (no, I didn't stutter)......
They're so use to auto raking the dough in (one to one) that when it's
time to pay out consistently, they naturally auto throw the red flag
because paying out more than not is few and far between...
And the investigation is on, especially if you hit something they thought
to be impossible because of the ridiculous odds (excluding contests).........
It's the Wild Wild West...
Without recourse your choices are slim....
From best choice to least....
A. SBR.........^ Optional is a very knowledgeable good guy who
just happens to be super respectful as well.....
B. Get your story out on a LARGE public platform dragging their name through the mud......
Or
C. #496
Opty, feel free to correct me if you think I'm wrong on this........Comment -
Oh, something erratically irritating, I forgot to mention.........
This has been rubbing my fukkin rhubarb with a
million shards of glass to no end........
All you peeps who auto dismiss a man's claim just because his
thread OP he created happens to be his 1st post,are either
joking or as sharp as a fukkin super ball...............
If you are reading this post and don't understand it,BINGO...........
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Your posts are unreadable, can you format them like every other normal human being?Comment -
degen should first ask that the money not be sent to an exchange, but a personal wallet. Then he should post the total amount owed if he wants full forum support here and elsewhere.
I agree that Optional has been great with updates on this case and is a go to guy with everything bitcoin.Last edited by raiders72001; 09-09-19, 01:38 PM.Comment -
Kona is not right though because if you click on 5+ though the reduction stays stagnant at 25% because there’s nothing beyond VIP level 5. I’ve had confirmation from support previously that there isn’t anything above level 5 and if you create an account or have an account w Fairlay, this is also easily verified.Last edited by degen1; 09-09-19, 03:13 PM.Comment -
the plus is just make believe that you highlighted I guess...Maybe Donald Trump drew it on your screen shot... BTW I'm just a nobody that likes to gamble and am old enough to know few things and try to help few forum peeps when I can...I am sure more of this story will come out as the 20th approaches....old saying goes Degan's Side Fairlay side and the truth..With all the posts in the forum of many books some high rated too confiscating funds of late just be glad Fairlay appears to be sending to last address like you asked...Also hope we get an official statement from SBR complaint team manger who actually spoke with Fairlay & their CEO...Optional is great love him as much as Winx! but I thought he said other SBR team member's where in discussions with Fairlay.... Can u tell horses bout done with my ramblings
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Fairlay should be black listed for betg and degen.the plus is just make believe that you highlighted I guess...Maybe Donald Trump drew it on your screen shot... BTW I'm just a nobody that likes to gamble and am old enough to know few things and try to help few forum peeps when I can...I am sure more of this story will come out as the 20th approaches....old saying goes Degan's Side Fairlay side and the truth..With all the posts in the forum of many books some high rated too confiscating funds of late just be glad Fairlay appears to be sending to last address like you asked...Also hope we get an official statement from SBR complaint team manger who actually spoke with Fairlay & their CEO...Optional is great love him as much as Winx! but I thought he said other SBR team member's where in discussions with Fairlay.... Can u tell horses bout done with my ramblingsComment -
LOL....There would be no books left if they all paid out scammers...Look at the Nitrogen post and that case...A+++ to Nitro for confiscation of funds from scammer!!!! You agree right with Nitrogen confiscating funds ??? since it is NITROGEN and your #1 book you must be following...NO BTC for you LOL ....I love Nitro!!Last edited by littlekona; 09-09-19, 04:49 PM.Comment -
Trollbox●Danshan11: what does VIP level 10 do for you?
Admin2:@Danshan11 Each VIP level gives you 5% VIP fee reduction. We hand higher VIP levels like VIP 10 to our main market makers.Comment -
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The fact that a daily / frequent user just noticed and didn't even know what it meant or that there was a VIP level 10 / didnt know what it did, pretty much illustrates my original point that this is a new thing, and it just coincidentally is given to the two people defending Fairlay in a trollbox..
Were you posting this to illustrate my point for me?Comment -
I kind of feel like you just discredit yourself b/c I have no idea what you're saying most of the time, but anyways it wasn't my screenshot and you missed my point again. You also seem to miss most of the fallacies that exist on the information presented by Fairlay alone. I know it's getting pointless to even address you and get you to understand anything either b/c you're incapable or b/c you are a shill (or something just short of it). But I figured I'd do it since I haven't in awhile. I'm glad you can recognize you're a nobody, but I don't think you're helping anyone out.the plus is just make believe that you highlighted I guess...Maybe Donald Trump drew it on your screen shot... BTW I'm just a nobody that likes to gamble and am old enough to know few things and try to help few forum peeps when I can...I am sure more of this story will come out as the 20th approaches....old saying goes Degan's Side Fairlay side and the truth..With all the posts in the forum of many books some high rated too confiscating funds of late just be glad Fairlay appears to be sending to last address like you asked...Also hope we get an official statement from SBR complaint team manger who actually spoke with Fairlay & their CEO...Optional is great love him as much as Winx! but I thought he said other SBR team member's where in discussions with Fairlay.... Can u tell horses bout done with my ramblingsComment -
Well, first you said there was no such thing as a level above level 5.
Kona shared a link that showed there was indeed a level '5+'.
You said "doesn't say anything about VIP levels there, if you have an account any one can see only should have vip level 5"
Kona explained there really was a level 5+
You accused him of deflection, so I checked it out and saw Kona was right and you were wrong and posted a screen shot to prove it.
Instead of simply admitting you were wrong, you doubled down and said "I’ve had confirmation from support previously that there isn’t anything above level 5 and if you create an account or have an account w Fairlay, this is also easily verified."
Sure enough, shortly after that support confirmed in the troll box that there actually is a level 10.
Now you're arguing that because someone didn't know about means you were right all along? Give me a break.
The daily/frequent user who just noticed and didn't even know what it meant is also level 10.
Despite how obvious it is that you're full of shit and probably did something super unethical to get hold of all that money, my opinion hasn't changed that Fairlay should absolutely pay you (should have been payed already, really) or provide a realllly good explanation as to why they didn't.Last edited by TwitchySeal; 09-09-19, 10:50 PM.Comment -
I’m happy to get into this with you to be honest if you’re going to be reasonable, but otherwise I’m sort of done getting into individual keyboard wars with the same two people
I was saying from the start that it seemed like a weird coincidence that they introduced the VIP level 10 (how could I have even brought it up without seeing it first so obviously my point was never that it doesn’t exist currently) since this event occurred and seemingly they have given it to the two people defending them
Then I said that if you click into the thing you underlined, the reduction stays stagnant at 25% which would suggest that above vip level 5 is practically meaningless (6 no different from 5 in reduction)
Lastly my last point was to further illustrate that it’s almost certainly a new addition if the dude who’s posting in chat is noticing it for the first time, and I also know for a fact weeks ago that their status was different. Probably can even find it in this forum thread
Do you have a Fairlay account? It feels weird that you’re making a lot of statements to someone who objectively has used the platform and was considered a good customer by the platform.
I honestly don’t know what your deal is, you seem weirdly invested in getting all my information, even after I and SBR have told you that the info you’re begging for is irrelevant (I.e tx I’d after it’s confirmed from exchange, bet slips when it has nothing to do w the bet slips, etc). You’re coming at me on both threads too, which feels like strangely committed - you even created this account for this thread. Also as a general statement, I think it’s fair to start your assumptions with the worst, but given that a lot of initial suspicions have been proven wrong by either Fairlay themselves, or SBR, I feel like I shouldn’t have to explain much more. If there were truly an investigation the last two months, I don’t think it’d be hard to prove or I think something would have happened to me. Either in real life or in this supposed investigation.Comment -
I think you're taking this way too literally. You really think VIP level 5 and 10 have the same commission? That is a strange reading of the situation It's a lot more likely that they're taking a shortcut and showing up to level 5 only because anything greater than 5 is rarely given out on an exception basis.
The fact that it says "5+" tells me that levels greater than 5 have existed before your case was raised. I highly doubt they dropped level 10 on these guys and said "Oh, we should go update that random page with a plus sign so nobody gets suspicious!"Comment -
The two main market makers, guys that helped with the UI bug and kona are level 10. Anyone else?Comment -
Without being too offensive, a lot of people are missing the points here. First of all this is tangential to anything to do w my case, I was simply pointing out an observation
Second of all, if you have not used Fairlay and/or have not gotten VIP level 5, then you have not experienced the fact that normally once you get to level 5, you cannot get a further level or reduction. Also in fact I would still put money that there is no level 6-9, at least as of this post.
Third of all my point is that this is a recent change at the very least for those two users, and that coincidence just seemed like funny timing. It’s not that important beyond that...Comment -
Ive been on for years and seriously the 10 status has been and it goes back from 5 to 10 at times since the new site went out of beta and I have no idea why nor do I care....Anyone who see's my various post knows I am on many books and spend ALOT of my day online and notice issues...Ive found bugs or issues on many sites and have reported to management and or post in forums...Most books appreciate that....This post has veered way off and I will admit I am partly to blame...I'm done...Hopefuly SBR/Fairlay will post a final statement once this fiasco is done and as the old radio guy Paul Harvey would say we find out the "rest of the story" good luck to all
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You do add a lot of good information to the bitcoin forum.Ive been on for years and seriously the 10 status has been and it goes back from 5 to 10 at times since the new site went out of beta and I have no idea why nor do I care....Anyone who see's my various post knows I am on many books and spend ALOT of my day online and notice issues...Ive found bugs or issues on many sites and have reported to management and or post in forums...Most books appreciate that....This post has veered way off and I will admit I am partly to blame...I'm done...Hopefuly SBR/Fairlay will post a final statement once this fiasco is done and as the old radio guy Paul Harvey would say we find out the "rest of the story" good luck to allComment
