Fairlay currently stealing my btc, 6 figures

**Optional** · 09-07-19, 03:34 AM

And please feel free to quote me in their Troll Box back at them.

As that seems to be their choice of professional communication now! lol

If you agree, maybe suggest that they should just send the guys money back where it came from right now too.

And not spend 2 weeks trying to make sure their customer is damaged even further.

**lonnie55** · 09-07-19, 06:52 AM

Did Fairlay ever provide proof to SBR for being part of the Pinnacle group?

**littlekona** · 09-07-19, 06:56 AM

They did the right thing by sending the deposit back as Degen requested to any of his sent address...They should of done sooner though...
We see many cases of "investigaion" on here and seeing how Fairlay handled and all the issues I actually now kind of understand why most books dont say anything publicly as it gets way to messy...
This was handled bad but the right result occured here...hopefully we get more info in days to come...

**raiders72001** · 09-07-19, 08:43 AM

Nice work by SBR. Let's hope that the exchange is willing to work with degen.

**moojoo** · 09-07-19, 12:30 PM

Lets be honest,if there was no SBR and our community,Degen would never get his money.

**degen1** · 09-07-19, 12:41 PM

It should be clear that they are not actually trying to return my funds bc a.) they’re not returning everything to me and b.) they are returning to an exchange address that I don’t have custody of when they could have returned to a different address that I deposited from and c.) the only reason they appear to be doing that is not to give me my funds back but to further screw me over

**raiders72001** · 09-07-19, 01:58 PM

Originally posted by littlekona

This was handled bad but the right result occured here...hopefully we get more info in days to come...

the right result is to send the money to degen, not the exchange.

**raiders72001** · 09-07-19, 02:06 PM

latest from the troll box.

Anonymous480:You guys are full of shit

Anonymous561: Either you are liars and there was no law enforcement agency or you guys are very stupid and interferes with one by telling an SBR agent whom you have no affiliations with all of the details of the investigation, who was investigating and for what. Either way it’s clear that you have no respect for the privacy or data of your users. On top of that you didn’t give any information to a user you probably profited a lot of money off of

Anonymous561: You should be investigated yourselves

● Danshan11: Thanks Linan

Anonymous124: These guys should be out of business

● Anonymous801:https://fairlay.com/archive/clutch-g...3-be91f6a4b783 grade please

● Anonymous801: its been like 20 hours

Ognjen-Support: It's settled now.

● Jonhein80: Live college football here would be nice

● Thegreenmeans: 2nd half or live NCAAF yes would be great

● Avantu:https://fairlay.com/market/nrg-vs-as...0-d8b0ca23b035

● Avantu: grade pls

● Jonhein80: Will there be any live NCAA football this season Fairlay?

● Jonhein80: Is this normal to have no live college football

● Jonhein80: Live women’s ITF all day, football nah

●Linan2332: god damm Astralis back to their god form

**TwitchySeal** · 09-07-19, 04:19 PM

Originally posted by degen1

It should be clear that they are not actually trying to return my funds bc a.) they’re not returning everything to me and b.) they are returning to an exchange address that I don’t have custody of when they could have returned to a different address that I deposited from and c.) the only reason they appear to be doing that is not to give me my funds back but to further screw me over

How much are they holding back? Did they tell you why they decided to hold that much back? What exchange are you using? Maybe you could find someone with advice on how to deal with them.

To be fair, you did ask them to return to any address that was used to deposit, which would include the exchange.

Originally posted by degen1

#1) I asked them to return my funds to any address that it had been deposited from, I asked that and it had been suggested by everyone here and SBR for the last 6 weeks, to do this now while pretending they did nothing wrong is absurd

**Craig22** · 09-07-19, 10:08 PM

None of this makes any sense.

1. Why are they waiting until September 20th to return funds?
2. Degen mentions they are not reinbursing him for the full amount? How much then?
3. Who do they claim to be sending the funds to if it is not one of his addresses?

**TwitchySeal** · 09-08-19, 12:44 AM

Originally posted by Craig22

3. Who do they claim to be sending the funds to if it is not one of his addresses?

If you have Bitcoin on any site that requires you to log in through a browser, you are trusting a third party to control the private keys that secure your money for you. No reason to do this.

Degen1 had his Bitcoin on an exchange. When he deposited ~$100k worth of BTC to Fairlay, from the exchange, he didn't actually have control of the bitcoin that was sent since he didn't have the private keys required to sign a transaction.

Exchanges should be used for _exchanging_ , not as a bank. Most legit exchanges are required to follow a bunch of federal AML laws and are strictly forbidden from doing business with something as awful as gambling. Most offshore books are a haven for laundering money. So, after you get your money from the exchange you need to put it in your pocket first and maybe walk around the block or something, not hold it up in the air and run directly to the book that the exchange is supposed to be making sure nobody uses with their crypto.

Degen1 didn't even bother touching the $100k. He just asked the exchange to give it directly to Fairlay - and if the feds are actually watching him, he made their job laughably easy. And now Fairlay is saying "ok...we'll give it back to the people who gave it to us".

**Barrakuda** · 09-08-19, 02:56 AM

Originally posted by TwitchySeal

It's just a block explorer that also groups together addresses that have been signed in single transactions. I don't think it even generates revenue.
Lets say I have 3 addresses (A, B and C) in my wallet with 1 BTC in each and I want to send 2.5 BTC to Address D.
My wallet software will create a single transaction with 3 outputs (A, B, C) and 2 inputs. 2.5 BTC will go to D and then the .5 BTC change will be sent to another address in my wallet.
There is now proof that A, B and C are all part of the same wallet. If I ever reuse those addresses with any other addresses, those will also be added to known addresses of my wallet.

This is all assuming I'm the one controlling my bitcoin with something like Electrum or Bitcoincore, not using an exchange.

So if you never send from multiple addresses in one tx and never re-use an address, addresses cannot be linked, correct?

**Barrakuda** · 09-08-19, 03:02 AM

Originally posted by raiders72001

Degen doesn't have to prove his innocence. Fairlay has to prove his guilt. Unless Fairaly produces a court order, they should be black listed.

I don't think that authorities were ever involved. Fairlay tried to grab $100k but there was a lot of forum pressure. Now Fairlay is trying to save face by returning the money to the depositing address.

If authorities were involved, the authorities would have been questioning degen, not Fairlay questioning degen. The authorities would have grabbed the money going to the exchange, not at Fairlay.

Not necessarily. People under investigation are usually the last to know.

**raiders72001** · 09-08-19, 03:25 AM

Originally posted by Barrakuda

Not necessarily. People under investigation are usually the last to know.

That's true. I'm more or less guessing based upon the information posted by Fairlay and SBR. I don't think that Farilay would have been talking with anyone if there truly was some type of legal investigation. Authorities would have put some type of gag order on Fairlay, whether it was formal or informal.

It really doesn't make sense that authorities would jump in when the money went to Fairlay. They would have stepped in when the money went to the exchange. Authorities don't care about gamblers, they care about those who book.

At the time of Fairlay rejecting the withdrawal request, authorities had degen's personal information, not Fairlay. The bitcoin going into the exchange and out of the exchange to degen was different.

**raiders72001** · 09-08-19, 03:39 AM

degen- this was previously asked above, but what were you talking about when you stated that Fairlay wasn't returning all of your money? Are there winnings that weren't included?

**TheMoneyShot** · 09-08-19, 10:57 AM

Originally posted by raiders72001

That's true. I'm more or less guessing based upon the information posted by Fairlay and SBR. I don't think that Farilay would have been talking with anyone if there truly was some type of legal investigation. Authorities would have put some type of gag order on Fairlay, whether it was formal or informal.

It really doesn't make sense that authorities would jump in when the money went to Fairlay. They would have stepped in when the money went to the exchange. Authorities don't care about gamblers, they care about those who book.

At the time of Fairlay rejecting the withdrawal request, authorities had degen's personal information, not Fairlay. The bitcoin going into the exchange and out of the exchange to degen was different.

I totally agree. Fairlay has been lying all along. They handled this thing like a 1st grader with their hand caught in the cookie jar. lol When SBR showed their BADGE.... Fairlay turtled.

I can't believe I thought highly of Fairlay in the past. What a fukking clown book.

All Fairlay had to do.... (Just like you said Raiders)... stop doing the police work. Just take the wagers.... and stop policing what comes in and goes out.

I can't stand owners who run corrupt businesses. I hope this thread lives forever... so others won't play there.

**littlekona** · 09-08-19, 11:26 AM

Originally posted by TheMoneyShot

Just take the wagers.... and stop policing what comes in and goes out.
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LOL....you guys are living in some bubble....Every book including all the ones you use have rules regarding deposits that are suspicious and every book would of done something similar as Fairlay. Some would of handled better and some worse but say money in money out is complete ridiculous statement...BTW go read the terms at USA exchanges like Gemini see how serious they are about suspicious activity and what they do then think again about "money in money out" BTW love ya MoneyShot

**raiders72001** · 09-08-19, 11:37 AM

Originally posted by littlekona

LOL....you guys are living in some bubble....Every book including all the ones you use have rules regarding deposits that are suspicious and every book would of done something similar as Fairlay. Some would of handled better and some worse but say money in money out is complete ridiculous statement...BTW go read the terms at USA exchanges like Gemini see how serious they are about suspicious activity and what they do then think again about "money in money out" BTW love ya MoneyShot

You're making up stuff here. Fairlay is the only book that has ever stolen someone's funds for money washing. Fairlay is at it again making up a story about US authorities. Just read what's posted by Optional.

**Alfie White** · 09-08-19, 11:46 AM

He has no time, he has to defend Fairlay.

FAIRLAY DID NOTHING WRONG, MAKE FAIRLAY GREAT AGAIN

**littlekona** · 09-08-19, 11:59 AM

Originally posted by raiders72001

You're making up stuff here. Fairlay is the only book that has ever stolen someone's funds for money washing. Fairlay is at it again making up a story about US authorities. Just read what's posted by Optional.

send suspicious funds to any book you choose and report back Raiders since I am making up....Any way Credit card that's not yours, Dark Web site transfer, Wire from bank of someone else, hack a USA btc exchange account and send...Try it report back then tell me if I am making stuff up when they freeze the funds....Yeah Fairlay could of handled better but some of guys just so focused on letting suspicious stuff get away.....BTW look at forum tons of cases where guys actually did get funds seized for all sorts of activity including passing funds....

Fairlay handled poorly but did the right thing sending the funds back as requested by DEGEN to his last sent address...

**raiders72001** · 09-08-19, 12:50 PM

Originally posted by littlekona

send suspicious funds to any book you choose and report back Raiders since I am making up....Any way Credit card that's not yours, Dark Web site transfer, Wire from bank of someone else, hack a USA btc exchange account and send...Try it report back then tell me if I am making stuff up when they freeze the funds....Yeah Fairlay could of handled better but some of guys just so focused on letting suspicious stuff get away.....BTW look at forum tons of cases where guys actually did get funds seized for all sorts of activity including passing funds....

Fairlay handled poorly but did the right thing sending the funds back as requested by DEGEN to his last sent address...

You don't know more than Optional and you are making up untrue scenarios.

**raiders72001** · 09-08-19, 12:58 PM

Optional

The story that Fairlay gave to SBR about Degen1's activities is almost certainly not true

This is why SBR was so concerned that Fairlay were acting unprofessionally, unfairly, unlawfully and without even taking the slightest precautions to make sure they protected their own client from what now appears to be false allegations against him.

And they need to send BetG's money back now too.

**Alfie White** · 09-08-19, 01:02 PM

Also Fairlay STILL didn't send the funds. They are PLANNING to do so and we can never know if those intentions are honest or not.

So Kona, please exclude yourself from the topic, you are golden-showering us all for no real reason.

**Alfie White** · 09-08-19, 01:02 PM

Originally posted by littlekona

Fairlay handled poorly but did the right thing sending the funds back as requested by DEGEN to his last sent address...

Forgot the quote.

**littlekona** · 09-08-19, 01:12 PM

your right on the 2oth they are sending back...Gives degan plenty of time to inform the exchange of the error so the funds get back into his account...Party time that day for sure!!!!

**lonnie55** · 09-08-19, 01:26 PM

SBR should implement trust ratings similar to the model that is used in the Bitcointalk forum so that new users can check the credibility of an established user.

For example, "kona possibly a Fairlay shill" or "jj a troll" etc.

It's hard to distinguish otherwise. For a long time I thought littlekona just wants to defend his favorite book and would lack empathy for other users' issues as Alfie said before. But now I'm not sure anymore and I rather think he could be a paid shill. From the start of the thread he tried to discredit the OP and didn't even consider he could be wrong with his theories. And after all we know, he is still siding with the book. That makes him look suspicious.

Sorry for OT

**littlekona** · 09-08-19, 01:41 PM

Lonnie, Not a shill....Look at my other posts...I do have favorable bias though I admot but I also feel I am fair and can comment since I have been heavy user for many years...I think because I argue back and forth w Raiders makes it look like that.. Plus im on here alot...I have no life

**Alfie White** · 09-08-19, 01:42 PM

back and forth with EVERYONE, not just Raiders

**lotuspod** · 09-08-19, 02:10 PM

This is one of the many reasons why we absolutely need non-custodial solutions, I hope it gets remembered when the time finally comes that legit options arrive.

**moojoo** · 09-08-19, 03:05 PM

Heavy user LOL? Maybe heavy drug user or some meds.
I remember before few years he was begging SBR to give this thieves rating every now and then.
Would be great if there is option i could block him,so im unable to read his shilT!

Oh dear God i found in settings option to ignore him,so all his replays are hidden.
imaginary round on me

**degen1** · 09-08-19, 06:48 PM

I did not really think Kona originally was a shill, but looking at that troll box, I will note that Kona and the one other person who is defending Fairlay are now VIP level 10 which did not exist before this whole incident or even a couple weeks ago (highest was vip level 5), and they were not that level previously either. So...it’s an interesting look on Fairlays part.

**littlekona** · 09-08-19, 07:15 PM

Originally posted by degen1

I did not really think Kona originally was a shill, but looking at that troll box, I will note that Kona and the one other person who is defending Fairlay are now VIP level 10 which did not exist before this whole incident or even a couple weeks ago (highest was vip level 5), and they were not that level previously either. So...it’s an interesting look on Fairlays part.

yea i saw that too...goes between 5 and 10 all the time....weird formula they use since I transfer in and out multiple times a day( way to many deposits though

) and log in and out ect UK soccer season and USA football started too so helped volume
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**degen1** · 09-08-19, 07:25 PM

Pretty big coincidence that that VIP level does not exist or at least did not exist, are you trying to say it's a glitch? Pretty coincidental glitch given its just for you and one other person - both who happpppen to be the ones promoting Fairlay and sucking s*** out of a straw. But, let the people decide for themselves.

**littlekona** · 09-08-19, 07:30 PM

Originally posted by degen1

Pretty big coincidence that that VIP level does not exist or at least did not exist, are you trying to say it's a glitch? Pretty coincidental glitch given its just for you and one other person - both who happpppen to be the ones promoting Fairlay and sucking s*** out of a straw. But, let the people decide for themselves.

its always existed 5+ but always either 1-5 or 10 from my experience ive never seen say a 8... https://fairlay.com/fees/

**degen1** · 09-08-19, 07:36 PM

Originally posted by littlekona

its always existed 5+ but always either 1-5 or 10 from my experience... https://fairlay.com/fees/

doesn't say anything about VIP levels there, if you have an account any one can see only should have vip level 5