Lets talk Sportsbookreview influence on sportsbook ratings.

**shari91** · 05-01-19, 05:46 AM

Originally posted by tamara2602

After reading carefully for months, apealing and beeing scammed by a bookie I have several questions that came up to my mind about influence of sportsbookreview.com on bookies and betting market.
How is it possible that fraudulent web site moves up on a rating list after thousand of complaints? For example, 1 year ago 1xbet had F rating and now it has D rating! Can you please explain what is criteria for rating a bookie? How can I believe that this web site is here to help players solve their problems with bookies if these things happen? So I deposited 585.73 euros with them, I played fair and placed between 15 and 20 bets, I do not know exactly because they do not even allow me to see because my account is blocked before I send some docs to Ukraine. I did not play on fixed matches, did not bet on matches that got wrongly placed odds by bookies, I did not even do arbing or anything else that bookies don't like, I DID EVERTYHING FAIR and still got into this hopeless situation. Soon after my apeal to sportsbookreview.com they got F rated but now one and a half years and many apeals from others later, they upgraded two steps above, to D rating. If Sportsbookreview can trully help me as an average player, I wonder what is their infulence on bookies because it seems impossible that these kind of things happen. I would like if all fair and honest players could join this discussion and share their opinion, experience and advice.
Is it possible that all scamed players could join and do someting together to stop these kind of things happening constantly? 1xbet is advertised on Skrill, Tennisexplorer.com and in November they became international presenting partner for Italian Serie A! I am sick of reading comment like "move on", "forget your money", "give them blowjob (lol)" etc. What kind of world and unregulated market do we live in if this bookie that obviously scamed thousands of people still exisist, advertise on respected web sites and no one can do anything about it?!
Sorry for a long post, hope you will join the discussion.

1xBet was a D- when it was upgraded to a D last year and the reason for that was explained here https://www.sportsbookreview.com/search/?q=1xbet

Actually it wasn't ever rated an F as it was DOWNgraded to D- in July 2016 and it's first rating was in August 2015 and that was a D. That was also explained here: https://www.sportsbookreview.com/spo...wered-d-73296/

SBR also repeats over and over that it recommends people only bet with books rated B+ or above. Anything below that and there is a larger risk according to those who are providing these ratings.

**mrpapageorgio** · 05-01-19, 08:43 AM

Why the hell did you deposit into a book with a D rating? What was wrong with the A/B books?

**littlekona** · 05-01-19, 09:59 AM

Originally posted by mrpapageorgio

Why the hell did you deposit into a book with a D rating? What was wrong with the A/B books?

Weve been around so know better but if your newbie and see there marketing all over seri a soccer u would assume legitimacy....

**mrpapageorgio** · 05-01-19, 11:49 AM

Originally posted by littlekona

Weve been around so know better but if your newbie and see there marketing all over seri a soccer u would assume legitimacy....

But if you are complaining about SBR's grading, and you see a D book, one would think you may want to go with a book that's A or B (even C) rated long before D. It's not exactly a ringing endorsement to be a D rated book.

**goce** · 05-01-19, 01:16 PM

SBR should put 1xbet to blacklist! Forbidden book!
1xbet simply robes costumers because it can and nobody can do anything.
I am one of the scammed by them!
While we are writing here they rob money from someone new over and over again, and everyone's
advice on every forum is "forget money and move on".
So once again I cant understand why are they not blacklisted!!!

**Optional** · 05-01-19, 11:19 PM

Originally posted by goce

SBR should put 1xbet to blacklist! Forbidden book!
1xbet simply robes costumers because it can and nobody can do anything.
I am one of the scammed by them!
While we are writing here they rob money from someone new over and over again, and everyone's
advice on every forum is "forget money and move on".
So once again I cant understand why are they not blacklisted!!!

They have a massive userbase and do pay most people. And in most complaint cases we ask them about they genuinely believe they have a good reason.

In about 1/3 of complaints about being put through unreasonable KYC 1xbet come back with proper justifications for doing so. Another 1/3 they give an explanation they think is reasonable but SBR think the action taken based on it is unreasonable, and about 1/3 of complaints we don't get any sort of proper justification or just think 1xbet are wrong.

Yes, that is an awful record, but I think we see a lot more complaints about them simply due to 1xbet almost never explaining themselves to the affected player.

A very senior rep in there has tried to explain to me that they offer a lot of generous options and are a big target for scammers so they think that not giving any clues to how they catch people, and not showing any weakness in discussions, is key to them keeping that problem under control. I said that I did not agree.

Anyway... a rating in the Ds is definitely justified, and I would not play there simply because I am not prepared to go through this sort of KYC for any reason. But an F rating or blacklisting is a step too far.

**tamara2602** · 05-02-19, 02:28 AM

Originally posted by Optional

They have a massive userbase and do pay most people. And in most complaint cases we ask them about they genuinely believe they have a good reason.

In about 1/3 of complaints about being put through unreasonable KYC 1xbet come back with proper justifications for doing so. Another 1/3 they give an explanation they think is reasonable but SBR think the action taken based on it is unreasonable, and about 1/3 of complaints we don't get any sort of proper justification or just think 1xbet are wrong.

Yes, that is an awful record, but I think we see a lot more complaints about them simply due to 1xbet almost never explaining themselves to the affected player.

A very senior rep in there has tried to explain to me that they offer a lot of generous options and are a big target for scammers so they think that not giving any clues to how they catch people, and not showing any weakness in discussions, is key to them keeping that problem under control. I said that I did not agree.

Anyway... a rating in the Ds is definitely justified, and I would not play there simply because I am not prepared to go through this sort of KYC for any reason. But an F rating or blacklisting is a step too far.

Do you think that respected web sites, leagues and wallets should cooperate with bookies with that ratings?

**Vyasports** · 05-02-19, 02:29 AM

Originally posted by Optional

They have a massive userbase and do pay most people. And in most complaint cases we ask them about they genuinely believe they have a good reason.

In about 1/3 of complaints about being put through unreasonable KYC 1xbet come back with proper justifications for doing so. Another 1/3 they give an explanation they think is reasonable but SBR think the action taken based on it is unreasonable, and about 1/3 of complaints we don't get any sort of proper justification or just think 1xbet are wrong.

Yes, that is an awful record, but I think we see a lot more complaints about them simply due to 1xbet almost never explaining themselves to the affected player.

A very senior rep in there has tried to explain to me that they offer a lot of generous options and are a big target for scammers so they think that not giving any clues to how they catch people, and not showing any weakness in discussions, is key to them keeping that problem under control. I said that I did not agree.

Anyway... a rating in the Ds is definitely justified, and I would not play there simply because I am not prepared to go through this sort of KYC for any reason. But an F rating or blacklisting is a step too far.

What would it take for SBR to give F rating/blacklist 1xbet? I genuinely would like to know ...complaints about this book are overloaded, not just st SBR...
The reason the have "massive userbase" is because they are one of the leading books in advertising...they are everywhere... and they do offer a lot so as to attract a lot....

**tamara2602** · 05-02-19, 02:33 AM

Originally posted by mrpapageorgio

Why the hell did you deposit into a book with a D rating? What was wrong with the A/B books?

I did not check their rating because I saw they are promoted by Skrill. Now they are promoted by Tennisexplorer.com, that is highly respected web site. I know I made a mistake, that is not the issue, the issue is how they are still woorking and scamming who knows how many newbies.

**goce** · 05-02-19, 04:16 AM

As in my case I didnt check rating anywhere. I saw a lot of bilboards with 1xbet on spanish laliga match and I opened account there thinking that this is some famous and serious bookmaker. I found that forums like this exist only after I got this problem.
I was playing month and a half and then problems started for me. 3 weeks I am in process of verifying and they dont tell me do they suspect in anything or what is the problem
Simply they hold my money I dont know why with excuse of pointless neverending KYC even I am sending all documents they asked. Now I am in fase of resending my documents via post. Same documents I have already sent on email. I dont understand why. Dont they have printer to print my documents??? Now I need to spend money for post services.
I am sending all documents because I still hope I will get my money because I am honest player and I know I am right.

**Optional** · 05-02-19, 10:08 AM

It's totally understandable why people would join them.

They offer more markets than anyone else, more betting options than anyone else, better odds than most books, better live betting than anyone but Bet365, the most comprehensive sport video streaming platform there is, bonuses and have more big time advertising spots than any other book.

Almost sounds too good to be true...

**Vyasports** · 05-02-19, 10:23 AM

Originally posted by Optional

It's totally understandable why people would join them.

They offer more markets than anyone else, more betting options than anyone else, better odds than most books, better live betting than anyone but Bet365, the most comprehensive sport video streaming platform there is, bonuses and have more big time advertising spots than any other book.

Almost sounds too good to be true...

Yes but the MOST important thing is withdrawal of profits.

**littlekona** · 05-02-19, 10:49 AM

Originally posted by Optional

It's totally understandable why people would join them.

They offer more markets than anyone else, more betting options than anyone else, better odds than most books, better live betting than anyone but Bet365, the most comprehensive sport video streaming platform there is, bonuses and have more big time advertising spots than any other book.

Almost sounds too good to be true...

Wow optional...checked the site and signed up via vpn and it is a beautiful site with live video ect...I wish A books targeting USA had all that....easy to see why people get tricked like u say...unreal all the markets

**shari91** · 05-02-19, 11:35 AM

Originally posted by tamara2602

I did not check their rating because I saw they are promoted by Skrill. Now they are promoted by Tennisexplorer.com, that is highly respected web site. I know I made a mistake, that is not the issue, the issue is how they are still woorking and scamming who knows how many newbies.

Ok well I’ll await your apology to SBR for 1. Claiming a book was rated or not rated something that was completely incorrect and 2. Conceding that you never even bothered to check SBR’s ratings before giving 1xbet your money yet you then came here to bash SBR and question the “influence” we supposedly faced from this book. As you stated above it was YOU who finally admitted you were influenced by 1xbet being promoted by Skrill and never even knew the book’s rating before. Wtf does this have to do with SBR???? Go complain to Skrill and learn how to Google check a website - any site - before you give total strangers your money next time

**Vyasports** · 05-02-19, 11:16 PM

Originally posted by shari91

Ok well I’ll await your apology to SBR for 1. Claiming a book was rated or not rated something that was completely incorrect and 2. Conceding that you never even bothered to check SBR’s ratings before giving 1xbet your money yet you then came here to bash SBR and question the “influence” we supposedly faced from this book. As you stated above it was YOU who finally admitted you were influenced by 1xbet being promoted by Skrill and never even knew the book’s rating before. Wtf does this have to do with SBR???? Go complain to Skrill and learn how to Google check a website - any site - before you give total strangers your money next time

Good point shari

**tamara2602** · 05-03-19, 10:26 AM

Originally posted by shari91

Ok well I’ll await your apology to SBR for 1. Claiming a book was rated or not rated something that was completely incorrect and 2. Conceding that you never even bothered to check SBR’s ratings before giving 1xbet your money yet you then came here to bash SBR and question the “influence” we supposedly faced from this book. As you stated above it was YOU who finally admitted you were influenced by 1xbet being promoted by Skrill and never even knew the book’s rating before. Wtf does this have to do with SBR???? Go complain to Skrill and learn how to Google check a website - any site - before you give total strangers your money next time

1. First of all there is no need for you to be so aggressive and ironic and you do not have to wait for a apologies and type me 4 question marks after a question, curse etc. What the hell is that about? That is not acceptable aproach for a administrator of highly respected web site. Bookie went up, I made a mistake, that is true, I thought that it was F but it was D- and it was blacklisted. Now it has D rating and I think that explanation for going up on a score ladder is without any reason. Why all the bookies that steal and block money from thousands of users are not rated F? Have you read the reviews for that bookie? Not only hear but around the web in the past year. And you allowed them to go up, that is crazy. Any bookie with so many complains addressed to it should have F rating and be blacklisted!
2. I wrote in this discussion that I ADMIT I made a mistake, something like that will never ever happen to me, and I am not "bashing" your website because you did not knock on my door and yell at me to run away from 1xbet, I am just questioning infulence that you have on a bookie while trying to be intermediary side when problem with this type of bookie happens. So, you have so many complains on them, you contact them, they give you ridiculous explanation why do they ask from their users to take a picture of their passport while watching at the screen of PC while in the backround Iron Maiden is playing. (Exaggerating but they almost ask for that). And what happens next? You say, Oh, okay, totally reasonable, you will go from D- to D. And also your contacts with them do not affect them to change their policy in support system, they are still tricking people and then not answering them on chat for hours, playing dumb and stupid and transfering them from one address to other, not explaining why do they do that etc. What is your job if they do not respect you and do not change their style after being contacted by you? This is not about me only, this is about all newbies who will make some mistake and then read explanation: You are stupid, forget about your money. He should not forget about his money never ever and never stop pushing this thing untill these type of bookies go down or change their customer support policy.
Of course I contacted Skrill and Tennis explorer and I understand that they watch everything from financial grounds, of course that it is not moral but they work for money and not impersonate judges or police. You on the other hand have resect among players as web site that will help them be informed and also be someone who can they address if a problem with bookie apears. So, I must wonder do you also look at everything from finnacial grounds and would you be ready to trade better ratings for financial benefits because it is absurd explanation that it is okay to give any rating that is not the worst one, to a bookie that steals money and is proven to have the worst policy towards customers that I ever heard.

**lonnie55** · 05-03-19, 10:48 AM

Originally posted by tamara2602

why do they ask from their users to take a picture of their passport while watching at the screen of PC while in the backround Iron Maiden is playing.

Don't give them that ideas! Next thing they ask for is a selfie with ID card while attending a live concert of MJ

**Vyasports** · 05-03-19, 11:33 PM

**mrpapageorgio** · 05-04-19, 06:45 AM

The ratings system is mainly for how likely you are to getting paid. You're getting too hung up on "thousands of complaints". Even if a million people complain a book's customer service sucks, as long as they're paying out, the rating is not going to be an F.

It's like a personal credit rating, maybe your score goes up a few points after a couple months because you didn't stiff a creditor in that period, but going from 530- 575 isn't exactly something to brag about as your credit is still shit from having stiffed before.

You're getting too hung on semantics. If you were looking on SBR, would you seriously send your money to a book that went from a D- to a D over the dozens of books above it that are rated A+ to C? No reasonable person would go that far down the list unless they were looking for a specific book that was rated that low to view the problems. And if you saw it was rated D, why would you even consider staying there and not think, "Maybe I should try one of these better rated books instead."?

**moojoo** · 05-04-19, 06:51 AM

I would like to know how sbr decide between A and B book. Many B books are better in many ways that A or A+ books. Would be great in we get some insight how they decide ratings,except advertising money.

**Black Coffee** · 05-04-19, 07:54 AM

Interesting topic. Anytime you put money into these books you're taking some risk. That's just part of the game. However, is there a real difference between the A and B books? I've had mostly good experiences with a couple.

**littlekona** · 05-04-19, 09:12 AM

Originally posted by moojoo

I would like to know how sbr decide between A and B book. Many B books are better in many ways that A or A+ books. Would be great in we get some insight how they decide ratings,except advertising money.

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