Bodog/Bovada Cancelled Big Wins - Advice?

[bubba]

The only party that created the free roll here is the player. And they free rolled the book in the end too.

Book had no chance to win but still could have lost if the error was not picked up.

Player never had a chance to lose unfairly, as the book voids all bets if the error is found, or pays out winnings if not.




Shot taker is probably closer than scammer.

Not sure why you care about ones like this. The book had an error. Player takes their shot. Sometimes they win, sometimes they don't. No grace in whining the times it doesn't work out.

And if you don't open new accounts to target obvious errors yourself, then you should be wanting the books to police it (fairly) so it's discouraged and you are not paying the costs of it.

To say the ONLY party that created the freeroll here is the player is flat out false. If the books software is set up appropriately (like every other book) there is no freeroll.

Did the "husband " do the same thing and have his account shut. And they still never upgraded the software? Its extra bad if if that's the case on the books end. But either way, while the player isnt "innocent" tje book contributed mightily to this freeroll by accepting the wagers

[Optional]

To say the ONLY party that created the freeroll here is the player is flat out false. If the books software is set up appropriately (like every other book) there is no freeroll.

Did the "husband " do the same thing and have his account shut. And they still never upgraded the software? Its extra bad if if that's the case on the books end. But either way, while the player isnt "innocent" tje book contributed mightily to this freeroll by accepting the wagers

True, that's technically correct.

I'm not saying the OP is a criminal or evil. All but the most pious of us gamblers have been tempted by or placed bets on errors. We all want an edge, it's natural.


But if we take the shot and get paid, yipee. That's good luck. If we take the shot and and it gets picked up and the bets are voided. That's just the other side of the game.

To come out afterward feigning innocence/ignorance and complaining you want to be paid when it doesnt work out is kind of lame.


Bottom line to me, it was an obvious error, the OP obviously targeted it with more than one account. She/he played the game and didn't get a cashout this time. Just a shot that ended in a tie. End of story.

If it was innocently done once, I would not feel the same way. I'd think there would be a case to be asking for goodwill and some form of compensation, like a regrade at more correct odds.


(I don't know, but think the error was picked up and both husband and wife accounts had bets cancelled at the same time as everyone else)

[bubba]

True, that's technically correct.

I'm not saying the OP is a criminal or evil. All but the most pious of us gamblers have been tempted by or placed bets on errors. We all want an edge, it's natural.


But if we take the shot and get paid, yipee. That's good luck. If we take the shot and and it gets picked up and the bets are voided. That's just the other side of the game.

To come out afterward feigning innocence/ignorance and complaining you want to be paid when it doesnt work out is kind of lame.


Bottom line to me, it was an obvious error, the OP obviously targeted it with more than one account. She/he played the game and didn't get a cashout this time. Just a shot that ended in a tie. End of story.

If it was innocently done once, I would not feel the same way. I'd think there would be a case to be asking for goodwill and some form of compensation, like a regrade at more correct odds.


(I don't know, but think the error was picked up and both husband and wife accounts had bets cancelled at the same time as everyone else)

These books, hold all our money(interest free) and charge TONS of juice. I just hold them to a high standard. Yes it was correlated. Every wager on the same game is to a degree. I feel both parties are at fault yet the player gets freerolled.

The book screwed up by allowing these plays to be parlayed. Their punishment? If wagers lose, they keep the money. If wagers win, they dont payout. The book clearly screwed up, and yet they to freeroll customer. Good deal for the book.

The player is not in the right here. he/she took a shot. but the book is just as wrong imo yet they get a nice freeroll out of it.

[JoeCool20]

I don't know.

But do you guys really think it's weird that SBR would not go to a book on behalf of a player and say "hey they lost money on bets where you gave odds that are obviously too high so we expect you to refund them"?

Do you really want that to happen when you stop and think about it?

LOL Nothing more needs to be said than that! Opti thinks that if a player sees that a S-book has the


New England Patriots +50 points, then the player should NOT bet all his money on N.E. +50! LOL

If you see a line that is offered by the book for wagering that you really like, then DON'T bet it or you're a "shot taker!" LOL

You either bet the side that you think is going to lose, or don't bet!

And even worse Opti thinks that if the player bets the OTHER side and takes the other team MINUS 50 points,

then he should have to pay the losing bet!


So the Sports-book (and Opti) calls ALL people that took N.E. +50 "shot takers" and doesn't pay them.

But ALL people who took the minus 50 losing side are NOT "shot takers" and they lose the bet and have to pay it! LOL

I swear if I was a sports-book I would do that with EVERY FUKIN line on the whole board!!

Then whoever picked the winner I'd call them a "shot taker" and not pay, while whoever lost, I'd take their money!

LOL I'd NEVER lose a NICKEL! I'd ALWAYS win EVERY game!

Because I'd bank all the losers bets and cheat all the winning players and blame it on them for trying to "take a shot"!!

[eaglesfan371]

Simply put, times are changing. Its 2019, as a huge bookmaking corporation, you should have checks in place to prevent your software from "glitching" (yeahh right) and you screwing people over. Or better yet, like licensed books are doing in the US, pay EVERY bet accepted and not canceled BEFORE match begins, write it off as a "bug bounty" if discovered after. Congrats, you had someone take advantage of a line and teach you an error in your bookmaking software. BOOK's error, yet the player gets screwed over here entirely, not even grading one leg a winner.

[MrCavalier]

LOL Nothing more needs to be said than that! Opti thinks that if a player sees that a S-book has the


New England Patriots +50 points, then the player should NOT bet all his money on N.E. +50! LOL

If you see a line that is offered by the book for wagering that you really like, then DON'T bet it or you're a "shot taker!" LOL

You either bet the side that you think is going to lose, or don't bet!

And even worse Opti thinks that if the player bets the OTHER side and takes the other team MINUS 50 points,

then he should have to pay the losing bet!


So the Sports-book (and Opti) calls ALL people that took N.E. +50 "shot takers" and doesn't pay them.

But ALL people who took the minus 50 losing side are NOT "shot takers" and they lose the bet and have to pay it! LOL

I swear if I was a sports-book I would do that with EVERY FUKIN line on the whole board!!

Then whoever picked the winner I'd call them a "shot taker" and not pay, while whoever lost, I'd take their money!

LOL I'd NEVER lose a NICKEL! I'd ALWAYS win EVERY game!

Because I'd bank all the losers bets and cheat all the winning players and blame it on them for trying to "take a shot"!!

100%... Double standard shown by Optional.. Honestly though did you expect anything else from him? Don’t worry online books will die a slow painful death.. Americans will have by the end of next year 40 states to gamble online.. No more slow pays, no more fraud on ************, no more bad line cancelled bets, no more bitcoin swings.. If wager is accepted it will be paid... I personally can’t wait.. Persons like Optional and Mike will be out of shill business...

[JoeCool20]

Simply put, times are changing. Its 2019, as a huge bookmaking corporation, you should have checks in place to prevent your software from "glitching" (yeahh right) and you screwing people over. Or better yet, like licensed books are doing in the US, pay EVERY bet accepted and not canceled BEFORE match begins, write it off as a "bug bounty" if discovered after. Congrats, you had someone take advantage of a line and teach you an error in your bookmaking software. BOOK's error, yet the player gets screwed over here entirely, not even grading one leg a winner.

Yeah but eaglesfan371, If the S-books "fix" everything, or pay people out when THEY make a mistake like you

suggested, then they won't be able to cheat the winners while taking the money from all the loser! LOL

[JoeCool20]

100%... Double standard shown by Optional.. Honestly though did you expect anything else from him? Don’t worry online books will die a slow painful death.. Americans will have by the end of next year 40 states to gamble online.. No more slow pays, no more fraud on ************, no more bad line cancelled bets, no more bitcoin swings.. If wager is accepted it will be paid... I personally can’t wait.. Persons like Optional and Mike will be out of shill business...

LOL I ain't gonna get into that. He works here and those S-Books pay SBR! You gotta stick with the side your bread is buttered on!


I'm sure he doesn't really feel that way when he is not at work.


Kind of a "what would you do if you worked here?" Type of thing.

[michael777]

100%... Double standard shown by Optional.. Honestly though did you expect anything else from him? Don’t worry online books will die a slow painful death.. Americans will have by the end of next year 40 states to gamble online.. No more slow pays, no more fraud on ************, no more bad line cancelled bets, no more bitcoin swings.. If wager is accepted it will be paid... I personally can’t wait.. Persons like Optional and Mike will be out of shill business...

You could not be more wrong,literally every single thing you said is 100% wrong,but good luck son

[4dueceswithA]

Not for nothin, but I would at least pay one leg or regrade it at correct odds and pay if it was my book. What happened to good faith and good customer service? I think that’s the classy thing to do.

[MrCavalier]

You could not be more wrong,literally every single thing you said is 100% wrong,but good luck son

Thanks for commenting... for the sake of debate.. what did I say was wrong?

[allabout the $$$]

How come if we make an error placing a bet and we call the book right away they will not delete the wager? they will tell the player bet the other side and eat the vig.

The book makes an error and we are shit out of luck with no compensation????

[eaglesfan371]

How come if we make an error placing a bet and we call the book right away they will not delete the wager? they will tell the player bet the other side and eat the vig.

The book makes an error and we are shit out of luck with no compensation????

We pay 5% house edge with every bet PLUS the chance we get screwed / freerolled on THEIR error. They make millions every month but can’t be bothered with paying a 100 to 1 “correlated” parlay for 10k that probably had 75 to 1 true odds.

Meanwhile US books guaranteeing bets accepted will be paid, offering promotions, rebates, many odds providers with ease in/out. Can’t wait for books in my state.

[Wohlford]

Barely correlated = a little pregnant. No such thing.

I just want to preserve this comment as a monument to the stupidity of bookmaker bootlickers for whom losing their money to scam artists is a perverse badge of honor.

You're all cucks and fools.

[milwaukee mike]

100%... Double standard shown by Optional.. Honestly though did you expect anything else from him? Don’t worry online books will die a slow painful death.. Americans will have by the end of next year 40 states to gamble online.. No more slow pays, no more fraud on ************, no more bad line cancelled bets, no more bitcoin swings.. If wager is accepted it will be paid... I personally can’t wait.. Persons like Optional and Mike will be out of shill business...

i totally disagree with optional on this

bovada was wrong and should pay the wagers, at least at the highest straight bet price

[eaglesfan371]

Not for nothin, but I would at least pay one leg or regrade it at correct odds and pay if it was my book. What happened to good faith and good customer service? I think that’s the classy thing to do.

THIS is exactly what should be done.

They COMPLETELY screwed this person. We're told to believe that our balances are cash. This person had the winnings in their account for DAYS. They made purchases after there was no cancellation. They spent money they was theirs. Only for it to be stolen away when a withdrawal was requested.

Next year, when Bovada tries buying customers for throwing some sort of SBR poker contest, I will spam providing this thread link, warning people, until I'm banned. That is how much I despise Bovada after reading this.

[Barrakuda]

THIS is exactly what should be done.

They COMPLETELY screwed this person. We're told to believe that our balances are cash. This person had the winnings in their account for DAYS. They made purchases after there was no cancellation. They spent money they was theirs. Only for it to be stolen away when a withdrawal was requested.

Next year, when Bovada tries buying customers for throwing some sort of SBR poker contest, I will spam providing this thread link, warning people, until I'm banned. That is how much I despise Bovada after reading this.

They seem to allow Bovada bashing, but push back hard against exposing BOL's repeated fraud.

[cashin81]

THIS is exactly what should be done.

They COMPLETELY screwed this person. We're told to believe that our balances are cash. This person had the winnings in their account for DAYS. They made purchases after there was no cancellation. They spent money they was theirs. Only for it to be stolen away when a withdrawal was requested.

Next year, when Bovada tries buying customers for throwing some sort of SBR poker contest, I will spam providing this thread link, warning people, until I'm banned. That is how much I despise Bovada after reading this.

Yep should have been dealt sooner and paid out at correct odds. Admin shouldnt be calling players shot takers, or saying if you did this once its ok, but three times no its not ok. We shouldnt be judged for placing bets that are accepted. I dont sign up to a book and then think, oh well i wonder how im going to be judged.

[Optional]

They seem to allow Bovada bashing, but push back hard against exposing BOL's repeated fraud.

Man you are being whiny about this for weeks. Don't jump on the dumb people bandwagon with Joe and MrC. You are not that slow.

Why is there a 100 threads here about BOL yet when you are asked to stop off topic personal fighting in a complaint thread, suddenly it's a conspiracy to protect BOL?? Own your own behavior for gawds sake.

[Optional]

Yep should have been dealt sooner and paid out at correct odds. Admin shouldnt be calling players shot takers, or saying if you did this once its ok, but three times no its not ok. We shouldnt be judged for placing bets that are accepted. I dont sign up to a book and then think, oh well i wonder how im going to be judged.

Why should "admin" not be calling this shot taking??

If you do not see how it's 100% clear that the OP was taking a shot, then honestly you just don't understand enough of what you are speaking about to be having any opinion at all.

You can disagree with the validity of the resulting decision if you like but you have no ground to stand on saying this is not an angle shot.

I'm not "Admin" here btw.

[cashin81]

Why should "admin" not be calling this shot taking??

If you do not see how it's 100% clear that the OP was taking a shot, then honestly you just don't understand enough of what you are speaking about to be having any opinion at all.

You can disagree with the validity of the resulting decision if you like but you have no ground to stand on saying this is not an angle shot.

I'm not "Admin" here btw.

Im not the only one disagreeing with you here.


Honestly

[Optional]

Im not the only one disagreeing with you here.


Honestly

That does not prove a thing around here.

And I think you might be mistaken about how many people agree with you that no shot was taken.

Where are all these people you think are claiming the bets should have all been paid in full?

The main objection has been the way it is addressed. Some think the should have been paid as the first single, some think they should be paid at adjusted 'correct' odds and some even agree with me that a void is just fine here.

Not arguing that one opinion is 100% correct. They all have some validity.

[cashin81]

That does not prove a thing around here.

And I think you might be mistaken about how many people agree with you that no shot was taken.

Where are all these people you think are claiming the bets should have all been paid in full?

The main objection has been the way it is addressed. Some think the should have been paid as the first single, some think they should be paid at adjusted 'correct' odds and some even agree with me that a void is just fine here.

Not arguing that one opinion is 100% correct. They all have some validity.

so whats the point in calling him a shot taker, if you say all of those points have validity?

I didnt say he should be paid in full, i said he isnt a shot taker and should be paid something. In uk they give market odds, that would be hard to find. ive had investigation where i was paid in full as they couldnt find the market price.

Id say hes an advantage player, where id reserve "shot taking" for late bets or bonus abuse.

ill leave you to it. i dont need to be patronised by you for having my opinion on a forum open to all.
Sorry if i missed the test for this forum, Optional l, and further apologises for calling you admin.

[Optional]

so whats the point in calling him a shot taker, if you say all of those points have validity?

I don't think I can explain it any clearer for you than I already have.

i dont need to be patronised by you for having my opinion on a forum open to all.

I thought I was being quite respectful with that explanation.

If you can't take a debate without taking it personally, maybe don't join in?

[cashin81]

Telling me not to have an opinion, because im essentially stoopid isnt debating, is it?

I joined into a debate, and gave my opinion. I am now leaving the debate because the mod is patronising and unprofessional , like i said above.

Unfortunately i cant back in time and not join in the convo,

[Optional]

Telling me not to have an opinion, because im essentially stoopid isnt debating, is it?

I joined into a debate, and gave my opinion. I am now leaving the debate because the mod is patronising and unprofessional , like i said above.

Unfortunately i cant back in time and not join in the convo,

Ignorance does not equal stoopid. Just that you haven't learned enough yet. But I think I can see why you don't learn now.

Are you sure you aren't just having a little tanty because the explanation made sense, so you had to resort to attacking me instead of replying again?

[cashin81]

Ignorance does not equal stoopid. Just that you haven't learned enough yet. But I think I can see why you don't learn now.

Are you sure you aren't just having a little tanty because the explanation made sense, so you had to resort to attacking me instead of replying again?

Im not attacking you. You are patronising and unprofessional. You have proved it yourself, not from anything i have done.

[Optional]

Im not attacking you. You are patronising and unprofessional. You have proved it yourself, not from anything i have done.

I beg to differ.

YOU posted that "Admin shouldnt be calling players shot takers, or saying if you did this once its ok".

You were full of strong statements in that post I replied to.

Do you have nothing to back that up now but crying that I should just accept your personal "opinion" about me without any reply?!?

Get the f out of here cry baby.

[cashin81]

I beg to differ.

YOU posted that "Admin shouldnt be calling players shot takers, or saying if you did this once its ok".

You were full of strong statements in that post I replied to.

Do you have nothing to back that up now but crying that I should just accept your personal "opinion" about me without any reply?!?

Get the f out of here cry baby.

professional

[cashin81]

I beg to differ.

YOU posted that "Admin shouldnt be calling players shot takers, or saying if you did this once its ok".

You were full of strong statements in that post I replied to.

Do you have nothing to back that up now but crying that I should just accept your personal "opinion" about me without any reply?!?

Get the f out of here cry baby.

I backed up the shot taker statement because i said its refereed to advantage play.

shot taker would be to take a late bet or something VERY obvious like 14/1 instead 1/14.

im okay with you, i understand you need to prove your dominance over the little guy, as this means more to you than me.

no hard feelings from my end.

[LT Profits]

Casual Bettor don’t bet thousands..
Betting bad lines means they won’t pay
No one cares your a mother of two
Crying on the internet isn’t going to get you paid
If your a MILF, offer customer chat a blowjob... I heard that works

All jokes aside... Kiss that 20k goodbye..

There were no bad lines (I don't think),the issue was obviously correlated parlays.

[Optional]

professional

You sound like the sort of person who thinks they can safely yell at the min wage guy in 7/11 because you think he has to be "professional" for you.

I backed up the shot taker statement because i said its refereed to advantage play.

shot taker would be to take a late bet or something VERY obvious like 14/1 instead 1/14.

im okay with you, i understand you need to prove your dominance over the little guy, as this means more to you than me.

no hard feelings from my end.

There is one good point to be made about your insistence I should not call the OP a shot taker.

You probably can't imagine yourself opening a second account to target an obvious error so just can't relate to it.


Also the reason I said I may feel different if it was done once off innocently, is that in that case a negative decision could possibly effect innocent players like yourself and the book should take some responsibility for that.

When it's using multiple accounts to bet the same thing over and again the intent and understanding of the situation is no longer in question. And in that case the player chose to take that risk and hope to be paid. A void is the best that deserves in my opinion. I accept others digress at that point.

[cashin81]

You sound like the sort of person who thinks they can safely yell at the min wage guy in 7/11 because you think he has to be "professional" for you.




There is one good point to be made about your insistence I should not call the OP a shot taker.

You probably can't imagine yourself opening a second account to target an obvious error so just can't relate to it.


Also the reason I said I may feel different if it was done once off innocently, is that in that case a negative decision could possibly effect innocent players like yourself and the book should take some responsibility for that.

When it's using multiple accounts to bet the same thing over and again the intent and understanding of the situation is no longer in question. And in that case the player chose to take that risk and hope to be paid. A void is the best that deserves in my opinion. I accept others digress at that point.

if the 7/11 guy called me ignorant and not to shop there because im not good enough, then yeah id complain about his professionalism. Minimum wage is still work, theres still a standard. Theres lots of min wage workers who still have standards and want to do their best. I guess you are patronising min wage workers now.

wasnt obvious error, if it was there wouldnt be so much debate.if it was obvious you are correct

[Optional]

if the 7/11 guy called me ignorant and not to shop there because im not good enough, then yeah id complain about his professionalism. Minimum wage is still work, theres still a standard. Theres lots of min wage workers who still have standards and want to do their best. I guess you are patronising min wage workers now.

wasnt obvious error, if it was there wouldnt be so much debate.if it was obvious you are correct

You're leaving out the part where you told the 7/11 dude he was doing his job wrong, to start the conversation.

And then the part where you said he was unprofessional and condescending to dare explain that you must not understand enough about his job to be telling him that.



Again it only seems not obvious to you because you are imagining yourself running across it and innocently taking it.

It was obvious enough for the OP to use multiple accounts to bet it over and again.

It's very obvious to me, and I'd guess most reading the thread, that there was significant enough correlation that it was definitely an error by Bovada in offering it.

[cashin81]

You're leaving out the part where you told the 7/11 dude he was doing his job wrong, to start the conversation.

And then the part where you said he was unprofessional and condescending to dare explain that you must not understand enough about his job to be telling him that.



Again it only seems not obvious to you because you are imagining yourself running across it and innocently taking it.

It was obvious enough for the OP to use multiple accounts to bet it over and again.

It's very obvious to me, and I'd guess most reading the thread, that there was significant enough correlation that it was definitely an error by Bovada in offering it.

Ive told you ive experience with bad lines and how they were handled

Im not debating if it was an error, Ive repeatedly said he shouldnt be paid in full, but should be paid something (minimum possible).,

Im saying the error wasnt OBVIOUS enough and errors shouldnt be dealt with differently if you have done it once or three times. if the book doesnt want you they can boot you, but they cant treat you differently if bets accepted.

Errors rule in book doesnt say "errors, we try to find market price, however repeat offenders will be treated differently than "innocents".