A+ rated book voids $7k in winnings

[eaglesfan371]

While I understand both sides I don't think the book can argue him being limited previously is a right to refuse to pay. If they had voided the bets before the match then okay but once game has happened, thats a freeroll. You can argue to pay a portion of it but it still does not look good. $500 of $7000 is not good enough though as Heritage would have never refunded him if it had lost. This isn't my role but I'd say $4-$5k should be paid here, as if he had rebet it and odds changed accurately, probably would have been something around that for the payout. Really should pay out the bet and ban the bettor.

[milwaukee mike]

The line was fine. The limits were very high in comparison to Asian books and it's hard to believe that OP had similar limits in earlier matches of that competition. Nevertheless he should get paid because it can be assumed that Heritage would not have voided the bet if he lost. Paying him 500 as a compensation is a joke

well it was -103 at heritage when elsewhere was -141, just pointing out that was the reason he was max betting it

[lonnie55]

It would be interesting to see if OP had similar bets with similar limits in the same competition before which lost. That would be a clear proof that Heritage doesn't void bets with "too high stake" that lost and that the player got free rolled on this one.

[Optional]

i'm thinking it was roma vs virtus entella on 1/14/2019

i am seeing that 1H -1 at -139 and -141 at the close (from protipster)... hopefully someone can see what it was elsewhere at the time of bet

I see it closing at +100 at 138bet and -105 at Titanbet too. Pinny closed at -135 (from oddsmarket.com)

It opened at -105


There is no issue over odds. It's simply about the limit and rebet.

[Optional]

well it was -103 at heritage when elsewhere was -141, just pointing out that was the reason he was max betting it

Rubbish Mike.

What on earth are you even getting at here? That Heritage really actually want to get him for picking off good opening odds?

That's what he has done for years there no doubt.

[lonnie55]

well it was -103 at heritage when elsewhere was -141, just pointing out that was the reason he was max betting it

How do you know at which time he placed his bet? Did I miss this information?

[Optional]

he should get paid because it can be assumed that Heritage would not have voided the bet if he lost.

$500 of $7000 is not good enough though as Heritage would have never refunded him if it had lost.

That should not be a surprise to either of you.

This is how it works for offshore books. You take a shot and you risk freerolling yourself.

[milwaukee mike]

Rubbish Mike.

What on earth are you even getting at here? That Heritage really actually want to get him for picking off good opening odds?

That's what he has done for years there no doubt.

well why do you think he bet $7000 on something that he normally has $100 limits on? a hunch?

if i had to guess he hit the -103 at heritage while hitting the +120 on +1 somewhere else

most sharps don't like exposure of 70 times their normal bet size

[lonnie55]

That should not be a surprise to either of you.

This is how it works for offshore books. You take a shot and you risk freerolling yourself.

Fine. But then they don't deserve an A+

[Optional]

well why do you think he bet $7000 on something that he normally has $100 limits on? a hunch?

if i had to guess he hit the -103 at heritage while hitting the +120 on +1 somewhere else

most sharps don't like exposure of 70 times their normal bet size

I don't imagine it is 70 times his normal bet size. Just 70 times the limit he knew he had on 1st halves.

Obviously if Pinny closed it at -135 he got a great price. So yes that's probably why he wanted to hammer it as you say. It's not really relevant to the decision that was taken though. Heritage would have reacted the same way if he had bet it at -135 too.

[JoeCool20]

LOL Dude gets on his computer and sees that he can bet more on something, so he does, then he gets paid,



then it becomes the old "he should have known." that he couldn't bet what their website allowed him to bet!!

[JoeCool20]

That should not be a surprise to either of you.

This is how it works for offshore books. You take a shot and you risk freerolling yourself.

If I was Heritage, then I'd do this on EVERY game in the whole sports-book.


If the person loses, I keep the money.


If they win, I steal the money back and tell them they "should have known" not to bet that game!! LOL

[bubba]

I don't imagine it is 70 times his normal bet size. Just 70 times the limit he knew he had on 1st halves.

Obviously if Pinny closed it at -135 he got a great price. So yes that's probably why he wanted to hammer it as you say. It's not really relevant to the decision that was taken though. Heritage would have reacted the same way if he had bet it at -135 too.

Would they react same way if bet lost? That's the most relevant question and we all know the answer.

[Optional]

@Bubba, check post #42 a few above yours.




The OP and Heritage are getting together to work it out.


And I need to make a correction. The OP tells me that he never agreed to the settlement. He says he was simply told about it.

[Optional]

If I was Heritage, then I'd do this on EVERY game in the whole sports-book.

If the person loses, I keep the money.

If they win, I steal the money back and tell them they "should have known" not to bet that game!! LOL

Thank the lord you are not a bookmaker Joe.

The complaint folder would be over flowing

[JoeCool20]

Thank the lord you are not a bookmaker Joe.

The complaint folder would be over flowing

LOL yeah, I finally understand that if I see New England Patriots + 50 points and I bet my balance on it,



then I ain't gettin paid!


Because it is in the rules about "obvious bad lines" not being honored. But saying a bet limit was an "obvious bad limit"


ONLY AFTER they accepted the bet and saw it win, that's tough to stomach right there!


"Dear player, we regret to inform you that you 'should have known' not to bet the amount that we allowed you to bet."



LOL Obviously that shit don't cut the mustard!

[cornmeal]

Poster needs to be paid- bet would not have been voided if it was a loss. Heritage is sharp /strict with their limits . Should of voided wager right away instead of next day citing previous $100 limit. Rough my friend

[TheMoneyShot]

Hmmm interesting topic.

I've been with Heritage for a long time... some of their MAX LIMITS are around 500

NBA, NFL, College Football a lot higher... typically 2,000 - 3,000

It appears that the OP knew his limits and wanted to exceed them. I don't think Heritage tried to freeroll the OP.

OP should of never put himself in that position.

[Wohlford]

Books should honor every ticket they write.

[maritsa1819]

Books should honor every ticket they write.

like fanduel? lol

[infotimbo]

In Heritage's rules & regulations I can't find any "duplicate bets will be voided" policy (which some bookies have) or something similar, so I can't see any reason why they shouldn't be obliged to honor those bets to the full extent.

[cornmeal]

like fanduel? lol

If i remember correctly(I could be wrong) fanduel was a bad line- thats a different story.
The line in this situation is not the issue- the poster bet over the limit. If it was voided quickly(prior to match starting) I dont have any problem with that at all(even a few minutes into the match), this was the next day for betting over the limit(not a bad line)

[moojoo]

Optional lets be honest,book impose limits. You can have limit 100 1 day and 1000 next,and then again 100.
Did they call him or send mail, and told him from now on your limits are 100.
Why woild anybody care if its not bad line,its their job to definw limits.
On other hand if he agreed 500 compensation and then he came here yo bash them,henot good people.

[michlafon15]

Seems fishy the op hasn’t responded since the entire truth came out I just kno how these books work and if something like that happens I call and confirm it’s good before match starts

[michlafon15]

I think he should be paid 100% because they took the bets period BUT if my limits are 100 or even 500 and they let me get 7k down I realize there could be an issue (pretty obvious)

[Optional]

Optional lets be honest,book impose limits. You can have limit 100 1 day and 1000 next,and then again 100.
Did they call him or send mail, and told him from now on your limits are 100.
Why woild anybody care if its not bad line,its their job to definw limits.
On other hand if he agreed 500 compensation and then he came here yo bash them,henot good people.

He said he did not agree. Was simply told. That was my mistake.

Both parties think the other treated them badly. They are talking about it now and hopefully making up.

[PD77]

If I were Heritage I would give OP two choices, we’ll pay you but your account is closed or here’s $500 for catching this “glitch” and your account stays open. I’ve found glitches at Heritage , 5Dimes, old WSEX, always told them and was treated fairly. Never tried to exploit them because my assumption was, I was freerolling myself. To each his own.

[dealer wins]

Just when you think you've heard every excuse from a book not to pay, you hear another even more preposterous one!!!

[littlekona]

Heritage is probably the most "fair" book ever when it comes to issues. No other place would even offer 500$ for the inconvenience.
My Opinion is that if OP had bet this type of market for the first time or had these limits previously he should be paid period. BUT since he bets these regular and has been limited and knows this he is a shot taker and he should be thrilled that Heritage offers him 500$ freebie

[MrCavalier]

So when 5dimes didn’t want to pay the bad beat are they a shot taker?
What about BOL and the no action prop?
Now Hertiage with this bs?
So many quick to blame the player call them shot takers...
what about the books? Does anyone honestly believe these thefts we hear weekly are isolated? You think 5d would have made that bad beat right? Without SBR pressure? Think how many people get fcked daily and think they have no recourse...

[cr777]

the old version of their software worked better, smarter software

[cr777]

they should pay the man because they took the bets and cancelled AFTER the game was over

[BigJay]

they should pay the man because they took the bets and cancelled AFTER the game was over

This. End of story.

[thechaoz]

I always find it amazing that so many people have issues with books. Not once in my 20 years of offshore gaming have I had an issue, from payout to any wager I have placed.

If you start winning they start stiffing, or if you hit them for a 4k score. Any book that can't absorb that is total shit.

[thechaoz]

Apparently the OP is quite sharp, is well ahead lifetime, has been on a limited account for a long time, and knows those limits.

He has bet this same 1st half market many times with the $100 limit.

There was a technical error that did show an odd market limit of $3049, which the op bet. He then came back and bet it again for a $4896 limit bet.


When Heritage cancelled and spoke to him, they were under the impression he understood he had taken a shot at what they believe he knew was an obvious mistake and was more than happy to accept $500 as a goodwill gesture for accepting their mistake in good faith.


@jonnymcsmith4 Heritage have been trying to contact you. They say they do not want to see you left feeling ill treated but are surprised and not pleased that you have gone public here in this way, without giving the full story.

So Op being "sharp" and limited by Heritage? I didn't think Heritage was a rec book and took all oncomers like Pinnacle? That's a bad look. I can't even think of 2 or maybe 3 books now that wouldn't limit you for being sharp. OP needs some birdies near sportsbooks. I'm in NJ bud, hit me up.

Weak.