[etelna]

Quite new to this board, I have been lurking for a few weeks now and I thought I would share my first bad experience with a sportsbook.

I registered with BetVictor and deposited 25 GBP two weeks ago. Without receiving any bonus I made a single bet for 25 GBP. My bet won and a few hours later I received an email saying that a business decision had been taken and that my account had been closed. Tried to ask what was going on but couldn't get any more information than that it had been a decision from their "senior traders". I was told to send in various documentation to verify my account, and that I after verifying would receive the money in to my bank account. So I sent in all the necessary documentation and then got a reply saying my documents had been accepted and my account had been verified. I was told that the payment had been sent via a TT payment and that it would take up to 10 days before the payment would be in my account.

10 days have now passed and I still haven't receive my money, so I emailed them to ask what is going on. I got a reply saying that the payout has been cancelled and the security department is still verifying my account. I haven't received any notice about the cancellation of my payout and now I don't get any further information of the reason for this. How can they not tell me the payout had been cancelled? Very frustrating.

I really have no idea what is going on with this site, I only have one account, I didn't use any bonus, I sent in all the documents they asked for, I am registered at my current adress, alls my information is correct and matches. I hope I will get my money back within time, but the information and service from BetVictor.com has been extremely poor so far.

[Thremp]

They are trying to defraud you. This is standard MO for them and similar to what happened to me. (Amount was a couple of order of magnitudes off.) This is the classic security scam that books run nowadays to defraud sharps.

[caveira]

I never had any problems with VC (betvictor now), but looks like these things are happening everytime, i will remove my money from there.

[GamblerSpirit]

Wow...that's some BS.

[Justin7]

File a complaint (link at the bottom of this post). This book works very well with SBR.

I doubt they are trying to defraud you. They may suspect you of opening up multiple accounts... but I am surprised it is taking them this long to reach a decision.

Thremp, if you think they have treated you unfairly, file a complaint.

[Thremp]

Justin, I did. You handled it. You may recall the details of it. Some quick facts:

1) They repeatedly told you that the complaint was settled, when it was not.
2) They didn't release any of their "proprietary system" about vetting documents.
3) I submitted no further documentation after you got involved.

My case was very similar. I submitted documents, was told I was going to be paid, and then was told I would not be paid. You can (or I can and you can corroborate via the e-mails I sent you) the facts of my case, if you're willing to actually make it public via the newswire. I don't think the people you work for would ever let that happen though. Shockingly every time I ask for any of the facts on issues I have with books, no one wants to continue the discussion?!?!

Why is that?

[Hareeba!]

Shockingly every time I ask for any of the facts on issues I have with books, no one wants to continue the discussion?!?!

Why is that?

Maybe for a similar reason as why ever time I ask for you to explain where I've posted any "falsifications" you go quiet.

Until next time when you simply repeat your false accusations.

[MonkeyF0cker]

Maybe for a similar reason as why ever time I ask for you to explain where I've posted any "falsifications" you go quiet.

Until next time when you simply repeat your false accusations.

Great contribution to the thread.

GTFO.

[Hareeba!]

Great contribution to the thread.

GTFO.

Sorry mate but if you had had to endure the crap that excuse for a human has been posting about me over the past couple of years and the mods doing SFA about it you might just understand why I took the opportunity.

[durito]

they paid me without sending any documents

[tommygun]

Sorry mate but if you had had to endure the crap that excuse for a human has been posting about me over the past couple of years and the mods doing SFA about it you might just understand why I took the opportunity.

what do you want mods to do?
This is the internet, and we are all adults here.

[Hareeba!]

what do you want mods to do?
This is the internet, and we are all adults here.

Every other forum I've been involved with would not permit a poster to keep making accusations such as this obnoxious character has been doing without being able or prepared to substantiate them.

The mods complain when a thread gets cluttered with arguments between posters over such matters. But the blame has to rest with them for their failure to take action against the cowards.

[tommygun]

Every other forum I've been involved with would not permit a poster to keep making accusations such as this obnoxious character has been doing without being able or prepared to substantiate them.

The mods complain when a thread gets cluttered with arguments between posters over such matters. But the blame has to rest with them for their failure to take action against the cowards.

I'm not exactly sure what you want the mods to do?
Banning?
Suspending?

[Hareeba!]

I'm not exactly sure what you want the mods to do?
Banning?
Suspending?

Warning.
Insist on retraction and apology if unable to substantiate.
Banning.

[tommygun]

Warning.
Insist on retraction and apology if unable to substantiate.
Banning.

Hareeba! for Moderator.

[Thremp]

I have already been hell banned on this forum. Hareeba has posted continual lies about regulations and his own ideas about what constitutes A+ books (In Hareeba world, Pinnacle has outside auditors). The SportsAlive fiasco has exposed him as lacking credibility. He has also falsified his earnings and wagers. There is no one who isn't a complete idiot betting liquid prices on the largest sports in the world who does this for a decade without being filthy rich or a fraud, much less for over 4 decades. Back to BetVictor fabrications. Has anything been done? Management decision to pad the bottom line? Have you tried to ask what was wrong with your documents? Or perhaps why they were accepted the second time? I'd bet good money you'll get 0 traction until they pay you off to maintain good standing with SBR for the promotion. SBR does have pull. No question about it. But a book that is only doing the right thing to maintain credibility while not correcting underlying problems (Bookmaker is still robbing betpoints from players) is still retarded. Hareeba, have you reconsidered my bet? I don't know Moneyf0cker, but maybe he can hold the escrow for the 20k. Maybe if I paint enough cars I can scrape that paltry sum up and finally hire an arbitrator. We'll use the OED definition of "lie" btw, unless your meager English skills are going to cause you alarm at what words actually mean.

[Hareeba!]

I have already been hell banned on this forum. Hareeba has posted continual lies about regulations and his own ideas about what constitutes A+ books (In Hareeba world, Pinnacle has outside auditors). The SportsAlive fiasco has exposed him as lacking credibility. He has also falsified his earnings and wagers. There is no one who isn't a complete idiot betting liquid prices on the largest sports in the world who does this for a decade without being filthy rich or a fraud, much less for over 4 decades. Back to BetVictor fabrications. Has anything been done? Management decision to pad the bottom line? Have you tried to ask what was wrong with your documents? Or perhaps why they were accepted the second time? I'd bet good money you'll get 0 traction until they pay you off to maintain good standing with SBR for the promotion. SBR does have pull. No question about it. But a book that is only doing the right thing to maintain credibility while not correcting underlying problems (Bookmaker is still robbing betpoints from players) is still retarded. Hareeba, have you reconsidered my bet? I don't know Moneyf0cker, but maybe he can hold the escrow for the 20k. Maybe if I paint enough cars I can scrape that paltry sum up and finally hire an arbitrator. We'll use the OED definition of "lie" btw, unless your meager English skills are going to cause you alarm at what words actually mean.

What "lies" about regulations? Where?

Where have I made any reference to Pinnacle having outside auditors or not?

Precisely what regarding Sports Alive exposed me in any way?

I have never posted any record of my earnings and wagers. So how can they be false?

[Thremp]

Show me the money!!!!

[necro]

They are BAD bookie, in past I was playing their ''beat victor'' and after I won 2 times their 5€ free bet(although in rules it was stated that it would be 5 britain pounds), they send me an email in which they informed that i can no longer play in their ''beat fat victor'' competition.

And that was cauze of 10 euros of free bets. I would never deposit at them.

[tommygun]

What "lies" about regulations? Where?

Where have I made any reference to Pinnacle having outside auditors or not?

Precisely what regarding Sports Alive exposed me in any way?




I have never posted any record of my earnings and wagers. So how can they be false?

Is it true Hareeba! that you are all in on Black Caviar to win its 21st race in a row this weekend?

[Hareeba!]

Is it true Hareeba! that you are all in on Black Caviar to win its 21st race in a row this weekend?

Never bet at those kind of odds.

But the very juicy 1.80 being offered by the Pommie books for her next race is tempting ... if only I could bet with the buggers.

If those sort of odds do get you, then I recommend backing her at best tote as Tattsbet has had a habit of adding money into her dividend and have beaten the other totes as easily as she's been winning nearly every time she's run in the past year or so.

Go champ!
Not just the world's best sprinter but possibly the best the world has ever seen.

[Thremp]

shari,

Apparently I can't PM you. Are you really questioning whether Hareeba has claimed that regulated books in reputable jurisdictions don't comingle funds and have overseeing bodies that enforce this? I think we're all aware that no regulatory body actually does this (As proven by the SportsAlive case). Would you like me to post the OED definition of lie? I'm really confused why you would infract me when I posted something completely obvious that is readily available on the internet via his posting history.

NB: For bonus points you can search for his personal rankings of sportsbooks and the requirements which exhibit delusion or madness. (IE If a company must be regulated, then you rank books such as Matchy/Pinny high up without a strong regulatory body overseeing them... You're nuts.) I'm pretty sure with a little digging you can find the others.

I'd appreciate if you would not infract me for posting fact based evidence to prevent noobs from being mislead by the most dishonest poster on this message board.

[Hareeba!]

shari,

Apparently I can't PM you. Are you really questioning whether Hareeba has claimed that regulated books in reputable jurisdictions don't comingle funds and have overseeing bodies that enforce this? I think we're all aware that no regulatory body actually does this (As proven by the SportsAlive case). Would you like me to post the OED definition of lie? I'm really confused why you would infract me when I posted something completely obvious that is readily available on the internet via his posting history.

NB: For bonus points you can search for his personal rankings of sportsbooks and the requirements which exhibit delusion or madness. (IE If a company must be regulated, then you rank books such as Matchy/Pinny high up without a strong regulatory body overseeing them... You're nuts.) I'm pretty sure with a little digging you can find the others.

I'd appreciate if you would not infract me for posting fact based evidence to prevent noobs from being mislead by the most dishonest poster on this message board.

Just show me where I've posted the words which you are attributing to me.

I must have asked you 100 times already. The onus of proving your accusations is on YOU, not on Shari.

[durito]

Just show me where I've posted the words which you are attributing to me.

I must have asked you 100 times already. The onus of proving your accusations is on YOU, not on Shari.

Look up any of your posts about pinnacle/matchbook and how you won't play anywhere that doesn't keep players funds segregated.

[Hareeba!]

Loop any of your posts about pinnacle/matchbook and how you won't play anywhere that doesn't keep players funds segregated.

So? What's your point?

Are you saying that those two don't?

If I have been assured by them and others that they do and I have no reason to doubt what they are telling me are you trying to say that makes ME a liar if in fact they don't?

[Thremp]

You claimed that regulated books keep funds separate. They do not.

If I said you raped a little boy and you didn't, that would be a lie as well. How is English so hard for you?

Please provide any shred of evidence that 1) regulatory bodies are competent (lol) 2) independent auditing of segregated player funds. SportsAlive (and FTP) show the ability of regulators. Yet you continue to propound a lie.

We could also touch on your views on KYC laws where you make claims you don't even understand. I like the part where you claimed Pinnacle required ID from all customers rather than selectively. That was highly entertaining.

[Hareeba!]

You claimed that regulated books keep funds separate. They do not.

If I said that show me where. I'm not interested in your interpretation of what you think I said. I'm interested in making you prove your claims that I've lied.

If I said you raped a little boy and you didn't, that would be a lie as well. How is English so hard for you?

I have no problem with English. You seem to have a huge problem with comprehension and logic.

Please provide any shred of evidence that 1) regulatory bodies are competent (lol) 2) independent auditing of segregated player funds. SportsAlive (and FTP) show the ability of regulators. Yet you continue to propound a lie.

It's not for me to provide evidence. This argument is about you proving your accusations. So far you are failing miserably. You keep attributing to me statements which I've never uttered.

We could also touch on your views on KYC laws where you make claims you don't even understand. I like the part where you claimed Pinnacle required ID from all customers rather than selectively. That was highly entertaining.

Glad you're amused. I'm not. Just prove your accusations else STFU.

[Thremp]

I'm not interested in your inane and delusional requests. I'm simply interested in 1) alerting the forum that you are a delusional shill who fabricates information to shill an arbitrary group of sportsbooks for no apparent reason, probably just your own amusement 2) to provide the sufficient level of proof to shari so SBR will get off my nuts on this "insulting other members" nonsense.

I'm not calling people *** guzzling gutter trash. I'm simply stating that you continually post statements that are false and intentionally mislead people in an effort to shill your own twisted worldview.

We can touch on how you apparently bet large, super liquid markets at vanilla pricing yet can't scrape together 20k for a prop bet you apparently think you'll win easily (lol). How is it possible that you've done this for 45y but don't have a monstrous pile of money? Your day job got in the way of all the bottles and models you could have afforded?

[Hareeba!]

I'm not interested in your inane and delusional requests. I'm simply interested in 1) alerting the forum that you are a delusional shill who fabricates information to shill an arbitrary group of sportsbooks for no apparent reason, probably just your own amusement 2) to provide the sufficient level of proof to shari so SBR will get off my nuts on this "insulting other members" nonsense.

I'm not calling people *** guzzling gutter trash. I'm simply stating that you continually post statements that are false and intentionally mislead people in an effort to shill your own twisted worldview.

We can touch on how you apparently bet large, super liquid markets at vanilla pricing yet can't scrape together 20k for a prop bet you apparently think you'll win easily (lol). How is it possible that you've done this for 45y but don't have a monstrous pile of money? Your day job got in the way of all the bottles and models you could have afforded?

More accusations yet still not one skerrick of evidence provided to back them up.

[Thremp]

Meh. We'll see if shari thinks its sufficient evidence. If not, maybe I will cite a couple of choice "Hareeba" moments for the amusement of the intelligentsia.

PS: How are you able to beat liquid racing and tennis markets, but have a day job? I guess you could be retired since you're apparently elderly, but why?

[Hareeba!]

Meh. We'll see if shari thinks its sufficient evidence. If not, maybe I will cite a couple of choice "Hareeba" moments for the amusement of the intelligentsia.

PS: How are you able to beat liquid racing and tennis markets, but have a day job? I guess you could be retired since you're apparently elderly, but why?

Just provide the evidence to justify your crap allegations.

Obviously from the above you know SFA about me yet keep carrying on as though you do.

[Thremp]

I just can't rejoin any of your comments about your plays being at betfair instead of pinnacle. Didn't you post how minute your wagers were there? Also part of your extensive fabrication is the liquidity of betfair compared to Pinnacle. But whatever. Lets not get into facts again. That is where you tend to get off course. Easier to make up a nonsense framework.

Why don't you clarify for me? You claim to have been betting for 45 years, which would make you pretty ******* ancient. How are you not rich? It is really easy to make money betting on sports. Even durito has made like a million dollars or something.

[Hareeba!]

I just can't rejoin any of your comments about your plays being at betfair instead of pinnacle. Didn't you post how minute your wagers were there? Also part of your extensive fabrication is the liquidity of betfair compared to Pinnacle. But whatever. Lets not get into facts again. That is where you tend to get off course. Easier to make up a nonsense framework.

Why don't you clarify for me? You claim to have been betting for 45 years, which would make you pretty ******* ancient. How are you not rich? It is really easy to make money betting on sports. Even durito has made like a million dollars or something.

None of that crap is relevant to what I've been on about with you.

I have never posted any fabrication or lie. Everything I've posted as fact is the truth. You just can't handle truth.

I can tolerate people disagreeing on opinions but will not tolerate being called a liar.

You have failed utterly miserably to prove your accusations.

Any decent forum would have banned you for life for doing that.

And I now call on SBR to do just that to you.

[Thremp]

You are now claiming you've never posted a fabrication or lie, yet you don't want to take the 20k of my parent's money that is on loan to me?

You are very confusing. You hate money. Claim to be an expert. Still bet... are very poor. Very odd. Make bizzaro lists. Either way, all the intelligentsia thinks you are very deluded. If shari wants more evidence, I will provide it. But at the moment I can't be bothered since I have things to do. I just don't want anyone to accidentally think you're anything more than twisted, and perhaps malevolent.

[Hareeba!]

You are now claiming you've never posted a fabrication or lie, yet you don't want to take the 20k of my parent's money that is on loan to me?

You are very confusing. You hate money. Claim to be an expert. Still bet... are very poor. Very odd. Make bizzaro lists. Either way, all the intelligentsia thinks you are very deluded. If shari wants more evidence, I will provide it. But at the moment I can't be bothered since I have things to do. I just don't want anyone to accidentally think you're anything more than twisted, and perhaps malevolent.

Now? I've ALWAYS maintained that your accusations are false.

Where have I ever claimed to be an "expert". There you go with another fabrication.

Where have I ever claimed to be "very poor"? Another one!

"more evidence"???? .. you are yet to provide just a single skerrick of "evidence"!

Mods please remove the cowardly vermin from this forum.