Totesport vs. Player: IBAS sides with sportsbook

Cyntax · 05-13-09, 04:41 PM

This is so sick! IBAS is a panel full of jokers. How can anyone take them serious after this?

"The Panel would also add that it is not unreasonable for a bookmaker to assume that a person betting via an online channel would be readily contactable by email." --> That's really sick!

In my opionon Tote should just cancel the bet and tell the player about the new conditions. Not making a new bet for him!

Downgrade Totesport to atleast C- and downgrade IBAS to Z-.

Can the player complain higher in this case?

headgames · 05-13-09, 05:35 PM

IBAS: "The first point of reference in all adjudications will be the gambling operator's rules. When a customer makes a bet there is an agreement that the bet will be settled in accordance with those rules."

It wasn't, simple as that.

I've played at Totesport for some time without issue. However, altering a bet is disgraceful. IBAS's conclusion is laughable but let's not forget how they're funded or who owns Totesport (the UK Government).

Throwing some ideas out there; if the player is in the UK, he could quite easily approach his local Member of Parliament to discuss this matter. Because they're Government owned, this would probably be quite a nice story for particular areas of the media. He could also try to pursue this in court if the bet he struck formed a contract and that contract had no rules which allowed for the altering of his bet, only the voiding of it.

Subtle · 05-13-09, 05:43 PM

Simply appalling.

Cyntax · 05-13-09, 05:47 PM

Originally posted by headgames

Throwing some ideas out there; if the player is in the UK, he could quite easily approach his local Member of Parliament to discuss this matter. Because they're Government owned, this would probably be quite a nice story for particular areas of the media. He could also try to pursue this in court if the bet he struck formed a contract and that contract had no rules which allowed for the altering of his bet, only the voiding of it.

He lives in Sweden. But if anyone would like to help him in this case I can forward emailadresses or phonenumbers. Just send me a pm and I will inform him. (I speak with him daily)

Any hungry law students in UK?

Wea · 05-13-09, 06:10 PM

Hi all.

Just decided to come out in open...
If anyone knows someone interested in taking a case like this to court I'm interested to hear what they have to say. Yes, the case is about me and yes the ruling semms to lack any logic.

/Wea

arnie_marta · 05-13-09, 08:01 PM

I do not know the laws in England, but this seems to be a matter to the police.

A so called independent blablabla, is clearly on the take...

Santo · 05-13-09, 08:06 PM

Nothing to do with the police. Civil/Contract matter.

bigloser · 05-13-09, 08:10 PM

If IBASis on the take it is not a civil matter but Criminal and therefore it is for the police.

I doubt they are on the take though, just not competent

Santo · 05-13-09, 08:31 PM

Let's put it this way; I put the chances for a successful criminal prosecution of IBAS so close to zero that I think we can both agree it's not an avenue worth pursuing...

headgames · 05-14-09, 02:32 AM

Exactly. This is neither a police matter nor one where you would be taking any action at all against IBAS. Trying to take action against IBAS would be like taking action against SBR for a decision they made on a complaint. IBAS is simply offering an adjudication which both parties agree to adhere to the outcome of. However, this adjudication is not legally binding and does not prejudice a person's right to take a matter to court where possible.

It shouldn't come down to legal proceedings since it appears a clear case of wrongdoing by Totesport and both they and IBAS should have done the right thing. Unfortunately, all that is left is to use any legal right the player has to try and recover the wager if he's determined to get it back. Since Totesport is governed by English law (courts of England and Wales) then if a contract has been formed by accepting the bet and the bet treated in such a way not allowed by their own rules and terms, then it may be possible to make a claim against them directly. If you were in the UK, you could do this using the Small Claims courts paying a relatively small fee to have a judge decide on your case but you would have to be able to attend court should the other party defend their position. Since the player is not in the UK, I don't know if this option is open to him. I've very limited knowledge of law but I would think the information is out there somewhere on any options he has.

andywend · 05-14-09, 03:58 AM

I have read many postings about IBAS and they have always been extremely biased in favor of sportsbooks over players

However, since the player was clearly trying to take a "shot" at Totesport on a line he knew was an obvious error, its hard to feel sorry for him.

The vast majority of sportsbooks cancel wagers made on obvious line errors and that is what Totesport should have done as well.

DearDiarrhee · 05-14-09, 08:40 AM

I never heard of a case where IBAS decided in favor to player/complainer

Santo · 05-14-09, 09:36 AM

The statistics indicate they decide in favour of the player in 25-30% of cases.

moonbeam · 05-14-09, 07:27 PM

Originally posted by Santo

The statistics indicate they decide in favour of the player in 25-30% of cases.

Their statistic?

Santo · 05-14-09, 07:46 PM

They were published in the white papers, so I imagine they're verified.

moonbeam · 05-14-09, 08:11 PM

Originally posted by Santo

They were published in the white papers, so I imagine they're verified.

I don´t believe this.

For me they are the rat tail of the industry.

Casi · 05-15-09, 03:15 AM

Too many european players do not know about shops like Pinny, or else all these shit books could close...

Santo · 05-15-09, 07:09 AM

Not really. Couldn't bet on (for e.g.) UK Horse Racing with Pinny, and whilst you could use Betfair, having so many different shops is the only way to get bets ahead of the market.

the_fredrik · 05-16-09, 03:50 AM

Just for the record, I have used IBAS once and they ruled in favor of me. As a result, the bookie paid me. (http://forum.sbrforum.com/players-ta...tml#post243211)

I have just sent in my second case to IBAS, see http://forum.sbrforum.com/sportsbook...ookreview.html for details. (Canbet re-registred to IBAS - lucky me!)

As for this case, I agree the most reasonable action for the bookie is to void the bet. But if they emailed before the start of the event saying: "These are the terms", it seems reasonable to me. Not worth getting too upset about.
If the odds on the win was +130, you cannot convince me that the player betting +333 with a handicap of +1 didn't take a shot at the book. Nothing wrong with taking a shot, but I would have checked my email very carefully if I knew I am taking a shot.

reno cool · 05-16-09, 05:27 AM

They should pay him approximate proper odds, at the very least, and send the player an apology.
what a joke.

Santo · 05-16-09, 08:23 AM

The fact that it was his first action with the book also makes it look more like a shot, and I doubt helps his case.

Re: Canbet, they're under new ownership having just been sold by their former Australian owners... now with some Asian owner, so you may get lucky if they want good press.

betpartners · 05-19-09, 04:47 PM

Totesport A+ now i reckon

Jamie_UK · 05-20-09, 03:16 AM

Originally posted by Casi

Too many european players do not know about shops like Pinny, or else all these shit books could close...

God you are thick.

You can often bet 30+ different markets on a "soccer game" with high st books, you are lucky to get more than 2 with pinny sometimes.

I really think you should limit yourself to commenting on subjects where you have at least some knowledge.

Jamie_UK · 05-20-09, 03:21 AM

I am 50/50 on this, The player was wrong for trying to take a shot, Tote is wrong for reversing the hc and IBAS is wrong for agreeing with tote.

It all started with a very cynical bet on a line that was so wrong it was 100% obvious. Once you put yourself in that situation, like after timing on live bets, you are at the mercy of people who hate players who take shots at them.

If that is the way the player wants to conduct his betting, then he should expect to get punished like this when he gets caught, bawwwwwwwwing about it on the internet afterwards is pointless.

Casi · 05-20-09, 10:52 AM

Originally posted by Jamie_UK

God you are thick.

You can often bet 30+ different markets on a "soccer game" with high st books, you are lucky to get more than 2 with pinny sometimes.

I really think you should limit yourself to commenting on subjects where you have at least some knowledge.

It was ment as a funny comment, i know that you need more than Pinny lol...
aren´t you the clown that went on a rampage here regulary, being drunk 24/7 and posting the same shit over and over again?
You should be the first to keep your mouth shut british bulldog.

wangpoker · 05-20-09, 11:51 AM

Originally posted by Santo

Re: Canbet, they're under new ownership having just been sold by their former Australian owners... now with some Asian owner, so you may get lucky if they want good press.

It's good news IMO since IAS can't keep it prosperous. Asian sportsbooks are very good. You can name them: sbobet, 12bet, fun88, 188bet, mansion88, bodog88 (bodog asia)... None is rogue or will fly in a night.

pjesnik24 · 05-20-09, 02:32 PM

bodog88? how are they?

wangpoker · 05-20-09, 03:04 PM

Originally posted by pjesnik24

bodog88? how are they?

It's bodog asia. google the lastest Calvin's interview.
The system is still improving...

tacomax · 05-20-09, 04:22 PM

Originally posted by Casi

aren´t you the clown that went on a rampage here regulary, being drunk 24/7 and posting the same shit over and over again?

That was Bread.

Bread · 05-20-09, 04:28 PM

I quit drinking back in 1964.

Jamie_UK · 05-21-09, 12:36 AM

Originally posted by Casi

It was ment as a funny comment, i know that you need more than Pinny lol...
aren´t you the clown that went on a rampage here *regulary, being drunk 24/7 and posting the same shit over and over again?
You should be the first to keep your mouth shut british bulldog.

*regularly

If you wish to attempt to post in my language, make an effort not to abuse it you illiterate mongrel.

cinpls081 · 05-22-09, 10:14 AM

player knew what he was doing its wrong what he/she did. how much was the wager for??? I would bet this has happened before and he/she was warned. play by the rules and nothing will happen to you. Why not tell people to NOT bet these types of wagers. They exist almost daily yet time after time people try to take advantage and in the end they get slammed.

arnie_marta · 05-22-09, 01:59 PM

Originally posted by cinpls081

player knew what he was doing its wrong what he/she did. how much was the wager for??? I would bet this has happened before and he/she was warned. play by the rules and nothing will happen to you. Why not tell people to NOT bet these types of wagers. They exist almost daily yet time after time people try to take advantage and in the end they get slammed.

He played by the rules...

The rules say that the bet should be void, but they change it completely, is totally different.

althelegend · 05-23-09, 06:05 PM

Originally posted by Wea

Hi all.

Just decided to come out in open...
If anyone knows someone interested in taking a case like this to court I'm interested to hear what they have to say. Yes, the case is about me and yes the ruling semms to lack any logic.

/Wea

Should have taken this case to court in the first instance - and not to IBAS.
Nowthat IBAS have ruled in the books favour, this seriously weakens any subsequent court action.