Bovada confiscated my account

**BrickJames** · 01-15-16, 10:57 PM

This guy is so funny! He wants us to believe that his "wife" was firing nickels at live-action hockey totals!

Sure pal whatever you say.

**downsouth** · 01-15-16, 11:05 PM

But why do they get to confiscate both accounts. I can see one account/ the wife account if it is being used to circumvent limits but the original account is obviously betting with its limits so why does the book get to confiscate those funds as well.

**Optional** · 01-16-16, 04:08 AM

Originally posted by downsouth

But why do they get to confiscate both accounts. I can see one account/ the wife account if it is being used to circumvent limits but the original account is obviously betting with its limits so why does the book get to confiscate those funds as well.

If we use two accounts to bet the same markets and share risk/reward it's not possible to determine which account might have valid betting funds in it and which doesn't.

If the accounts are not obviously working together then it's a different matter though.

**Dirtydealer1123** · 01-16-16, 05:06 AM

Originally posted by Optional

If you were both betting the same live markets at the same odds for the $500 a pop max it looks like you are trying to get around limits whether you are or not.

What happens to the odds on those late game totals after you hit it for $500? Do they sometimes change straight away so you can't hit the same odds twice? If so, that's what the book will see as cheating the system by betting them with 2 accounts.

Actually lots of times the odds would still be rising the times I bet, or they would remain the same

**Optional** · 01-16-16, 07:29 AM

You're still taking away their option to only let you take it once.

Done innocently or not what you describe does look bad to the book. But hopefully the SBR agent can get something out of it for you with such a large balance,

**BrickJames** · 01-16-16, 12:48 PM

So how much does your wife usually get down on the Super Bowl? 20k+ ?

Where did you find this chick? At a G.A. meeting? Lol

**TheSideBet** · 01-16-16, 01:43 PM

Tough situation man.

**VeggieDog** · 01-16-16, 02:01 PM

You were betting at the end of the game when a team pulled their goalie? So which team were you betting on? The one that had the extra skater or the team that was shooting at an empty net?

**Dirtydealer1123** · 01-16-16, 05:59 PM

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as far as the comments about betting a nickel .........different people need to bet different amounts, to feel the rush of a win or loss. I know lot of people who bet lots more than us, and a lot less. Everyone in here has a different size bank to bet out of. As our accounts rose we bet more. Felt safe , thinking this was a big site, never thought getting paid would be a problem.

**downsouth** · 01-16-16, 06:25 PM

Originally posted by Optional

If we use two accounts to bet the same markets and share risk/reward it's not possible to determine which account might have valid betting funds in it and which doesn't.

If the accounts are not obviously working together then it's a different matter though.

There is still a way to sort the accounts. It may take some manual effort but basically saying well all of both accounts are confiscated just doesnt seem right.

**gauchojake** · 01-16-16, 06:55 PM

Bricker you are killing me bud

**DrunkHorseplayer** · 01-16-16, 08:18 PM

Bodog are a bunch of free rolling slimeballs; if they hadn't won, their bets and deposits would have been accepted all day long. Bodog knew they had the same address and let them deposit and bet while assuming they would eventually lose.

**GigaOuts** · 01-16-16, 08:47 PM

Originally posted by DrunkHorseplayer

Bodog are a bunch of free rolling slimeballs; if they hadn't won, their bets and deposits would have been accepted all day long. Bodog knew they had the same address and let them deposit and bet while assuming they would eventually lose.

Who doesn't like a free-roll, especially greedy businessmen using 'fine print' on their t & s. If Bodog decide to keep the fund, than they should donate that 30g + their own 30g to charity otherwise Bodog is a very shady site in my eyes.

**goduke** · 01-16-16, 09:16 PM

Why would you bet at a rec book like this if you want to bet big money other sites would of handled it a lot better and you didn't have to be shady and bet two accounts

**Optional** · 01-16-16, 09:38 PM

Originally posted by downsouth

There is still a way to sort the accounts. It may take some manual effort but basically saying well all of both accounts are confiscated just doesnt seem right.

Theoretically you would think so but once you try you realize guesses need to me made about what each account might have done if the other account had not bet at all.

**Dirtydealer1123** · 01-16-16, 09:46 PM

Originally posted by goduke

Why would you bet at a rec book like this if you want to bet big money other sites would of handled it a lot better and you didn't have to be shady and bet two accounts

Please feel free to recommend

**goduke** · 01-17-16, 09:09 AM

Originally posted by Dirtydealer1123

Please feel free to recommend

Bookmaker, 5Dimes, heritage all much better choices. But I would stick to one account there they won't put up with weird stuff

**PharaohUB** · 01-17-16, 10:14 AM

Originally posted by Optional

Theoretically you would think so but once you try you realize guesses need to me made about what each account might have done if the other account had not bet at all.

No it's really not that complicated. Payout as if he was limited to one of the accounts limit. Refund the bets over that. It would take about 5 minutes for someone who had the data and knew how to use Excel.

Just taking all the money because "it's complicated" is just a cop out to steal his funds.

**BrickJames** · 01-17-16, 01:23 PM

Originally posted by gauchojake

Bricker you are killing me bud

Thanks bud. I try!

**Kindred** · 01-17-16, 04:26 PM

Originally posted by BrickJames

So how much does your wife usually get down on the Super Bowl? 20k+ ?

Where did you find this chick? At a G.A. meeting? Lol

sums up this thread perfectly

**Optional** · 01-18-16, 12:13 AM

Originally posted by PharaohUB

No it's really not that complicated. Payout as if he was limited to one of the accounts limit. Refund the bets over that. It would take about 5 minutes for someone who had the data and knew how to use Excel.

Just taking all the money because "it's complicated" is just a cop out to steal his funds.

Have you ever tried? I have. And I assure you its not as simple as an excel spreadsheet. Arguments come up about what would have happened if the 2nd account had not bet some matches.

**pjesnik24** · 01-18-16, 04:03 AM

Originally posted by BrickJames

They didn't freeroll them. Bovada can't monitor every account all the time, all they can do is review an account when someone requests a big payout. They reviewed the account saw that the player was cheating and confiscated the funds plain and simple.

Yes they can and they were free rolling them. Just try to register the same email address at 90% of the bookies and you will see if it is possible. So how the hell is it so difficult to make a system alert for physical addresses, phones or IP addresses? As soon something like this comes up during registration or later (ip adresses) they can block the second account until it is verified to their satisfaction. A clear case of freerolling here and I really like the reason why they took all the money, it is troublesome to calculate so they take all of it. When they should probably payout at least 2/3 (do not forget, they would have to cancel losing bets as well on the second account which were over the limit, of course, if it was really one person betting both accounts)

**dealer wins** · 01-18-16, 06:18 AM

Im guessing the bets made were laid off at the exchange, making the funds confiscation even more painful?

**PharaohUB** · 01-18-16, 10:09 AM

Originally posted by Optional

Have you ever tried? I have. And I assure you its not as simple as an excel spreadsheet. Arguments come up about what would have happened if the 2nd account had not bet some matches.

I'm not understanding what these arguments would be. Anything that could have been done with one single account is fair action. Anything over that is no action. Win or Lose.

I work with data for a living and this is as simple as it gets. I'm sure Bovada tags each record/bet with a ton of information they can use to analyze. You just join on the Event ID, add the numbers together and do a variance between the limit on that Event, and just do it for the entirety of both accounts. I'm 99% sure they have analytical tools that do way more complicated stuff than this and could figure this out for them. If they can't figure this out then they should hire me. I could not only figure this out for them, but I could give them insight into their business they never had before.

**Caip34000** · 01-18-16, 10:37 AM

Yeah but from their point of view you could say that by violating t&cs every of his action are not valid and winning should be confiscated.
At some point you can't ask a Bookmaker to be tolerant with someone that obviously violate the rule.
The only thing that you can blame them is that they wait for him to win to flag the account

**Craig22** · 01-19-16, 12:50 AM

Bovada is a great sportsbook for people that have no clue what they are doing. They have 30 cent lines on some of the totals they offer, which is just horrendous. There are barely any payout options, and if you have more than $3,000 on there, good luck getting it out. However, they payout quick, so you have to give them credit for that.