is this a defensive/special teams touchdown for wagering purposes?

**shaunovery** · 10-10-15, 06:05 PM

No ,if a wide receiver gets it in the end zone how can it be a defensive or special teams td

**bubba** · 10-10-15, 06:35 PM

hmmmmmmm, thats 1 persons opinion. anyone else?

**TheGuesser** · 10-10-15, 06:35 PM

No. It's an Offensive Team TD. If a Sportsbook says it's a Defensive or Special Teams TD they are wrong.

**Optional** · 10-10-15, 06:38 PM

Why is there a wide receiver on the field for the defensive team?

Doesnt sound straight forward. Did they give you any reasoning why it wasn't a Def TD?

**bubba** · 10-10-15, 06:47 PM

Originally posted by Optional

Why is there a wide receiver on the field for the defensive team?

Doesnt sound straight forward. Did they give you any reasoning why it wasn't a Def TD?

there was no wide receiver on the field for the defense. the quaterback fumbled. the wide reciever (on the same team as the QB) recovered the ball in the end zone for a TD. the offense scored a TD. i cant beleive i spent an hour on live chat with them and they refused to change it or even leave me with "we will look into this further". Pretty highly rated book here too.

**Ataraxia** · 10-10-15, 07:02 PM

what is the exact wording of the prop?

**bubba** · 10-10-15, 07:04 PM

Football NCAA Props - Oct 10 - Texas vs Oklahoma - Will a special teams or def TD be scored (Inc OT) - No -120

**bubba** · 10-10-15, 07:05 PM

Originally posted by Ataraxia

what is the exact wording of the prop?

there is nothing hidden here. its so black and white

**Optional** · 10-10-15, 07:32 PM

Fill in a complaint form if you would like SBR to look at it for you http://www.sportsbookreview.com/sportsbook-complaint/

**bubba** · 10-10-15, 07:42 PM

Originally posted by Optional

Fill in a complaint form if you would like SBR to look at it for you http://www.sportsbookreview.com/sportsbook-complaint/

did that a few hours ago

**Optional** · 10-10-15, 07:50 PM

**relaaxx** · 10-10-15, 08:24 PM

pay the man

**Wrigley** · 10-10-15, 09:55 PM

That's not a special teams touchdown did you read the prop rule for special team TD in there book? PAY THE MAN

**Wrigley** · 10-10-15, 09:58 PM

Here is the rule from a book I use for special teams TD's You should be paid

Special Teams and Defensive Touchdowns Propositions:

The only touchdowns considered to be special teams touchdowns are on plays where the ball is actually kicked or punted (these include: kickoff returns, punt returns, returns of a fumbled kick return, returns of a fumbled punt return, blocked field goal returns, or blocked punt returns).

A fake field goal or fake punt which results in a touchdown by the team that snapped the ball is an offensive touchdown.

**LT Profits** · 10-10-15, 10:10 PM

Absolutely not, it is an OFFENSIVE fumble recovery for touchdown.

**LT Profits** · 10-10-15, 10:13 PM

Originally posted by Optional

Why is there a wide receiver on the field for the defensive team?

Doesnt sound straight forward. Did they give you any reasoning why it wasn't a Def TD?

The wide receiver was on offense, the quarterback fumbled the ball and his teammate (the wide receiver) recovered in the end zone. This is clear cut, not defensive.

**LT Profits** · 10-10-15, 10:15 PM

Originally posted by bubba

there was no wide receiver on the field for the defense. the quaterback fumbled. the wide reciever (on the same team as the QB) recovered the ball in the end zone for a TD. the offense scored a TD. i cant beleive i spent an hour on live chat with them and they refused to change it or even leave me with "we will look into this further". Pretty highly rated book here too.

What is there to look into? It was obviously an offensive touchdown.

**LT Profits** · 10-10-15, 10:18 PM

Oh wait, did you bet the NO? Sorry I assumed you were arguing that it WAS a defensive touchdown. If you bet the NO, you won, no doubt.

**bubba** · 10-10-15, 10:36 PM

still graded as a loss. been about 9.5 hours since i first contacted them (and they told me I am wrong!). i could see grading it wrongly at first. mistakes happen. but i nicely point it out to them, and they reject/ignore what is clearly correct to anyone that knows anything about football/wagering.

**daringly** · 10-10-15, 10:46 PM

The only way this could be a defensive TD is if the other team recovered the fumble, fumbled it again, and then the original offensive team (now a defensive team after the other team recoverd teh fumble) forced another fumble in the end-zone and recovered it for a TD.

Which game was it? And at what time point?

**bubba** · 10-10-15, 11:07 PM

Originally posted by daringly

The only way this could be a defensive TD is if the other team recovered the fumble, fumbled it again, and then the original offensive team (now a defensive team after the other team recoverd teh fumble) forced another fumble in the end-zone and recovered it for a TD.

Which game was it? And at what time point?

im not sure how it would be graded in that case. i still think its an offensive touchdown as i think everyone would remain offense/defense throught a play. otherwise a pick 6 would be an offensive touchdown cause the guy once he catches it is on offense. unless you are telling me once a turnover occurs, both teams are now defense? i dont think so. i just made my head spin .

it was the texas game today. i watched the whole thing. the 2nd score of the game i think, texas qb ran in for a td. it went to review and the ref wrongly announced call is confirmed. the announcers corrected it a few minutes later saying they ruled the ball came out before the goal-line but was recovered by another texas guy in the end zone for a td. at no point did oklahoma ever possess the ball on the play. i placed the wager at another book too for a lot more $ and it was graded correctly

**King23** · 10-11-15, 09:27 AM

Originally posted by bubba

im not sure how it would be graded in that case. i still think its an offensive touchdown as i think everyone would remain offense/defense throught a play. otherwise a pick 6 would be an offensive touchdown cause the guy once he catches it is on offense. unless you are telling me once a turnover occurs, both teams are now defense? i dont think so. i just made my head spin .

it was the texas game today. i watched the whole thing. the 2nd score of the game i think, texas qb ran in for a td. it went to review and the ref wrongly announced call is confirmed. the announcers corrected it a few minutes later saying they ruled the ball came out before the goal-line but was recovered by another texas guy in the end zone for a td. at no point did oklahoma ever possess the ball on the play. i placed the wager at another book too for a lot more $ and it was graded correctly

We all know the true situation about this can we have the Name of the BOOK for everyone's peace of mind ?????

**bubba** · 10-11-15, 09:50 AM

i dunno if sbr tried to look into this yet but i tried contacting them again today. no luck. apparently they say any touchdown that is not rushing/passing is a defensive special teams touchdown. surely doesnt make sense, surely isnt listed in their rules. surely stubborn.

come on YOUWAGER. you guys are better than that! now i am wondering how many times i have been screwed in the past by not dissecting my graded wagers on your website.

**SBR Forum** · 10-11-15, 09:52 AM

From what bubba has described sounds pretty open and shut. Sometimes asking for a manager helps get another pair of eyes on a situation, as CS can sometimes be stubborn and just give the wrong answer over and over again. Grading mistakes especially with props always happen and usually correct itself. We'll see if we can get the ball rolling for him.

**bubba** · 10-11-15, 09:55 AM

Originally posted by SBR Forum

From what bubba has described sounds pretty open and shut. Sometimes asking for a manager helps get another pair of eyes on a situation, as CS can sometimes be stubborn and just give the wrong answer over and over again. Grading mistakes especially with props always happen and usually correct itself. We'll see if we can get the ball rolling for him.

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Apparently the top of the top has looked into this. I have no doubt it will get fixed with sbrs help, but it should not take a 3rd party to get this fixed.

**Itsamazing777** · 10-11-15, 09:57 AM

Special teams is returns Defense is defense. I'm sorry but I think you have no case as an offensive player recovered an offensive fumble

**bubba** · 10-11-15, 10:08 AM

Originally posted by Itsamazing777

Special teams is returns Defense is defense. I'm sorry but I think you have no case as an offensive player recovered an offensive fumble

you realize i bet "no", right?? I am arguing the side that actually makes sense.

**King23** · 10-11-15, 10:20 AM

Originally posted by bubba

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Apparently the top of the top has looked into this. I have no doubt it will get fixed with sbrs help, but it should not take a 3rd party to get this fixed.

I strongly advice get with them on the phone ask for the person in charge and have it fix then and there ...

**T4TRUTH** · 10-11-15, 11:10 AM

Originally posted by bubba

quarterback fumbles at the oppoenents 1 yard line, recovered by a wide receiver in the end zone for a touchdown.

I think it is very clear but a sportsbook disagrees. I wont lead the witness, is that a defensive/special teams touchdown?

no if the qurter back is on the field who fumbled... no special teams and definitely not defense.....

**bubba** · 10-11-15, 11:44 AM

i think its finally been fixed

**Itsamazing777** · 10-11-15, 11:45 AM

Originally posted by bubba

you realize i bet "no", right?? I am arguing the side that actually makes sense.

Oh I see. Cool!

**relaaxx** · 10-11-15, 11:51 AM

at least they see their mistake now - of course it should have been sooner but less than 24 hours is not that bad.

**bubba** · 10-11-15, 12:17 PM

Originally posted by relaaxx

at least they see their mistake now - of course it should have been sooner but less than 24 hours is not that bad.

i disagree. 22 hours would be pretty annoying if they told me they were "looking into it". Its an unacceptable timeframe to be making up stuff and telling me i am 100% in the wrong for that long.

thanks to sbr if they played any help in getting this rectified.

**SBR Forum** · 10-11-15, 01:04 PM

Originally posted by bubba

thanks to sbr if they played any help in getting this rectified.

Management explained the source used listed the play as fumble returned for a TD, causing the confusion.

Glad you're all set.