The Future of Sports Betting

**Optional** · 01-25-15, 07:08 AM

Disagree.

Technology and competition will make most of todays issues irrelevant in 20 years.

**Sawyer** · 01-25-15, 07:14 AM

Originally posted by Optional

Disagree.
Technology and competition will make most of todays issues irrelevant in 20 years.

Hehe, I guess we will have the answer after 20 years

Hope to see you all here after 20 years.

**Domestic** · 01-25-15, 08:33 AM

Bitcoin or a similar technology is widespread and as a result the thought of waiting hours or days for a deposit or withdraw to occur is laughable.

Pinnacle eventually embraces this sort of technology which eventually allows US players to play there once again. Any book that wants to compete now has to at least match their odds.

Beginning with the NBA, sports betting is now fully embraced by the major US sports and live lines and odds are as common in ESPN broadcasts as commercial breaks. We already see this sort of thing with UFC odds before fights.

**HeeeHAWWWW** · 01-25-15, 10:25 AM

Originally posted by Optional

Disagree.

Technology and competition will make most of todays issues irrelevant in 20 years.

Despite the current trends, I think this is the answer. The ultra freemarket approach, either via low commission exchanges or 1-2% juice high volume books. Combine that with increased use of near-zero cost international transactions via e-wallets or bitcoin, and there's a huge global market to be had.

**horja1** · 01-25-15, 10:29 AM

Originally posted by Sawyer

Live Betting

All bets will be accepted after a period of waiting (aka periof od danger) just like asians book. Let's say Ronaldo is behind the ball, getting ready for freekick. Your won't be accepted instantly. Your bet will be accepted when ball is out of play. (or rejected if Ronaldo scores a goal)

no need to wait 20 years for that ... it is already happening everywhere

**Buffalo Nickle** · 01-25-15, 10:42 AM

105 odds are already norm. Going the way of discount brokerage. Computers making the lines ultra-efficient and technology means lower cost. Only thing holding it back is regulation. But the leagues are dependent on wagering so the restrictions will fall off as the moralists die off.

**Sawyer** · 01-25-15, 11:12 AM

Originally posted by horja1

no need to wait 20 years for that ... it is already happening everywhere

Only in sharp books and asians.
No period of danger in most softbooks.

**Sawyer** · 01-25-15, 11:14 AM

Originally posted by Domestic

Bitcoin or a similar technology is widespread and as a result the thought of waiting hours or days for a deposit or withdraw to occur is laughable.

Pinnacle eventually embraces this sort of technology which eventually allows US players to play there once again. Any book that wants to compete now has to at least match their odds.

Beginning with the NBA, sports betting is now fully embraced by the major US sports and live lines and odds are as common in ESPN broadcasts as commercial breaks. We already see this sort of thing with UFC odds before fights.

You're just looking with angle of straight bettor. Yes, sports betting will be even more popular but getting value bets won't be easy like old times with technological advancement. You will probably miss drifting odds/line when you hear Lebron is out. Books are getting meaner, they're getting wiser, they will refresh their lines in a blink of eye. Remember times where you can parlay Ohio State -35 with Over 41½? These days are gone.

**kmarinouofm** · 01-25-15, 12:10 PM

dumbest post in a while

**horja1** · 01-25-15, 12:33 PM

Originally posted by Sawyer

Only in sharp books and asians.
No period of danger in most softbooks.

name a book that doesn't have it ...

**T4TRUTH** · 01-25-15, 12:37 PM

not so dumb. future of wagering will be exchanges... one person betting against another, no legal restrictions as free trade laws will govern people moving money freely between each other once and for all. All wagering will be tax free. as the major tax will be from pot of course as tabacco will gone from shelves and packs of 20 and 30 J's will be the norm, most wagering will be done through your tv via the clear channel and sky of the world.
sky casino already exists. skybet. in Europe they already open accounts and bet through the tv satellite service. bingo will remain the biggest form of gambling for all.
soccer bets wont matter any more as the cost to go to a game will be a million anyway so players can get gazillions per contract. Betting will be available on every jury case on trial every current affair know to the press. and all gamblers will be walking around like zombies talking to themselves all day, oh wait that last part already exists..

**Optional** · 01-25-15, 07:43 PM

Originally posted by Sawyer

Only in sharp books and asians.
No period of danger in most softbooks.

Seriously?

I don't see how they don't get smashed and fast.

**temple2010** · 01-26-15, 12:57 AM

The U.S. finally realizes that they are missing out on billions and billions of dollars and finally legalizes it- except we'll still play online for all the bonuses that they won't offer lol

**byronbb** · 01-26-15, 01:41 AM

Originally posted by Optional

Disagree.

Technology and competition will make most of todays issues irrelevant in 20 years.

Agree. P2P decentralized betting will be the future.

**LEOLEO** · 01-26-15, 03:40 AM

SOME PEOPLE GOT TOO MUCH TIME ON THERE HANDS,
WHO GIVES A FLYING penetrate ABOUT 20 YEARS FROM NOW, !??
DEBATING HYPOTHETICAL'S
SMH !?
USE UR TIME WISER LOSER, LIKE SCOUTING STATS, OR GAMEDAYS PREVIEWS OF TOMORROWS GAMES

**Hareeba!** · 01-26-15, 04:15 AM

Originally posted by LEOLEO

SOME PEOPLE GOT TOO MUCH TIME ON THERE HANDS,
WHO GIVES A FLYING penetrate ABOUT 20 YEARS FROM NOW, !??
DEBATING HYPOTHETICAL'S
SMH !?
USE UR TIME WISER LOSER, LIKE SCOUTING STATS, OR GAMEDAYS PREVIEWS OF TOMORROWS GAMES

The future belongs to those who can see its direction.

**Sawyer** · 01-26-15, 05:10 AM

Originally posted by LEOLEO

SOME PEOPLE GOT TOO MUCH TIME ON THERE HANDS,
WHO GIVES A FLYING penetrate ABOUT 20 YEARS FROM NOW, !??
DEBATING HYPOTHETICAL'S
SMH !?
USE UR TIME WISER LOSER, LIKE SCOUTING STATS, OR GAMEDAYS PREVIEWS OF TOMORROWS GAMES

Yes, I have time and money. I have luxury to find time to post my thoughts/projections about future in a betting forum.

I'm not interested in stats, previews; I'm not a bettor, My profession is sports betting arbitrage.

This article was mostly arbitrage oriented, i'm not expecting everyone to understand it.
And remember, future belongs to those who can see its direction.
Only time will tell who is right.

**horja1** · 01-26-15, 08:43 AM

Originally posted by horja1

name a book that doesn't have it ...

**Sawyer** · 01-26-15, 08:53 AM

Originally posted by horja1

name a book that doesn't have it ...

%99 of european bookmakers such as Betsson and Bwin. There's usually a 4-5 seconds countdown before your bet is accepted but there isn't any "period of danger" after your bet is placed. Your bet can be accepted right before a corner or a freekick. There isn't anything such as "period of danger" in european bookmakers. Periof of danger works this way. You can wait 40 seconds or even 1-2 minutes in asian books, in period of danger. I suggest you to examine asian books and pinnacle.

**olorine** · 01-26-15, 09:31 AM

Originally posted by Sawyer

%99 of european bookmakers such as Betsson and Bwin. There's usually a 4-5 seconds countdown before your bet is accepted but there isn't any "period of danger" after your bet is placed. Your bet can be accepted right before a corner or a freekick. There isn't anything such as "period of danger" in european bookmakers. Periof of danger works this way. You can wait 40 seconds or even 1-2 minutes in asian books, in period of danger. I suggest you to examine asian books and pinnacle.

From such a skill arber and thinker i thought you know how danger mode works at European bookies. If you do not, let me explain. In bookies that you have mentioned when Ronaldo/Messi/Whoever is kicking free kick from dangerous position market is locked and you can't place bet at all.

You are thinking about future but you do not even know how books are working these days. Thats really sad.

So go on , what yo are doing. F*ck up with bookies like you are doing and then you are coming there with thread what will be in future. And you are writing there about Skype verification and i do not know what about else. This will be , but because players like you who are doing illegal business with other people ID. If you weren't doing things with other people ID, then you have nothing to be afraid of. Because you are not trader, you are arber. IF you are trader then you wouldnt care about such things.

**T4TRUTH** · 01-26-15, 09:33 AM

this is all well and good, make a wager on bet365 for say 1500 on an in running play and then watch it wait and wait for submission get the play accepted and then get a later message that says traders accept a portion of the bet... so you get same odds but they only accepted 600 of the bet... has this not ever happened to you..if nott ryit and you will see.. the delay and the return of accepted and then the change of partially accepted..

**LEOLEO** · 01-26-15, 06:09 PM

sports betting arbitrage is for losers now Tom Sawyer....
betting any + side, baits out ur accts in under 20 bets, (unless betting at betfair/pinny/bookmaker)
even when u throw regular sports bet ins as smoke screens, which ive done,
ive throw a myriad of hockey bets -110 +107 just to throw smokescreens doesnt work

the new 'arbitrage' is middling, and 'hedging the equity' of the expectant value of the cross,
not booking -210 and +220

in basketball
book -8 to +9.5 , and hedgeout late at pinnacle with under 2 minutes to go, hitting 55%+ of 100
or under 191 & over 188 and being smart enough with under 5 mins left to dictate if it will go over or under that spread

ur talking to TED DIBIASE man, the ________ dollar man
dont tell me bout the long outdated sports arbing

**Playon** · 01-26-15, 07:47 PM

Even if bookmarkers will sharpen their actions, they still need to follow cashflows of majority, which always brings values available, bookies cant avoid that.

I'm sure we also will see few lazy soft books which are using blindly oddsmatrix buried and destroyed completely. We will squeeze Georges out of them. Wise bettors will find a way to beat automated line movements every time.

**xpress** · 01-27-15, 12:28 AM

why this POS thread not salooned is beyond me

**Sawyer** · 01-27-15, 02:45 PM

Originally posted by olorine

From such a skill arber and thinker i thought you know how danger mode works at European bookies. If you do not, let me explain. In bookies that you have mentioned when Ronaldo/Messi/Whoever is kicking free kick from dangerous position market is locked and you can't place bet at all.

You are thinking about future but you do not even know how books are working these days. Thats really sad.

So go on , what yo are doing. F*ck up with bookies like you are doing and then you are coming there with thread what will be in future. And you are writing there about Skype verification and i do not know what about else. This will be , but because players like you who are doing illegal business with other people ID. If you weren't doing things with other people ID, then you have nothing to be afraid of. Because you are not trader, you are arber. IF you are trader then you wouldnt care about such things.

I think you don't know what is period of danger. There isn't period of danger in european books. Yes, sometimes they lock the market before a dangerous position but things are fine when there's a corner, throw-in etc. Your bet is immediately accepted after countdown. This is not called period of danger.

I'm doing arbitrage betting/trading. I'm not worried about skype verifications since my action is %100 legal. But people who use other people's ids must be worried. That's not a good idea since most books ask you to take a photo of you holding your id next to your head, how many friends of yours will accept that? Let's be reasonable.

**Sawyer** · 01-27-15, 02:46 PM

Originally posted by Playon

Even if bookmarkers will sharpen their actions, they still need to follow cashflows of majority, which always brings values available, bookies cant avoid that.

I'm sure we also will see few lazy soft books which are using blindly oddsmatrix buried and destroyed completely. We will squeeze Georges out of them. Wise bettors will find a way to beat automated line movements every time.

Hope to see more oddsmatrix books in future

Even they made some changes/upgrades, still it's a very vulnerable software.

**pellumb341** · 01-28-15, 07:55 AM

Why do you need oddsmatrix ?
They simply steal odds from other bookies with a lower payout (BAH,bwin etc)
Instead of placing it at oddsmatrix , just go and place it at the bookies they steal odds from (if you have access and good limits).

**Playon** · 01-28-15, 09:04 AM

When knowing top odds are going to drop soon, you can take every single oddsmatrix book under the top odds where they are hiding, one by one, at high stakes without limits. I think that might be the future of arbing too, to bet on droping odds before droping, because odds movements are getting too fast for arbing when droping is already going on.

Bwin...

**Sawyer** · 01-28-15, 09:36 PM

Originally posted by pellumb341

Why do you need oddsmatrix ?
They simply steal odds from other bookies with a lower payout (BAH,bwin etc)
Instead of placing it at oddsmatrix , just go and place it at the bookies they steal odds from (if you have access and good limits).

Not really. Yes, they steal some odds but they're very vulnerable in some areas. Oddsmatrix plays a dramatic role in wealth I accumulated. I love it. Just give me Oddsmatrix and B365, I don't need something else.

**olorine** · 01-29-15, 04:29 AM

Originally posted by Sawyer

Not really. Yes, they steal some odds but they're very vulnerable in some areas. Oddsmatrix plays a dramatic role in wealth I accumulated. I love it. Just give me Oddsmatrix and B365, I don't need something else.

congratulations ! ...but i think that your gold times at oddsmatrix are over....still vulnerable but more and more on only small leagues

where you can bet not such money for good arbitrage..but you are from turkey so i suppose that you are using artemisbet which have greater limits for turkish players, then there must be struggle where to bet other side when not all matches got asiansin live . B365 ok, but limits come very fast then...I think that your profits went down for sure or will go down. And what about voiding bets ? they started to do it..

Anyway you told us that you are not using other people profiles and now that you are using bet365 but you can't use them since you are from turkey..so please do not lie

**Sawyer** · 01-29-15, 01:52 PM

Originally posted by olorine

congratulations ! ...but i think that your gold times at oddsmatrix are over....still vulnerable but more and more on only small leagues

where you can bet not such money for good arbitrage..but you are from turkey so i suppose that you are using artemisbet which have greater limits for turkish players, then there must be struggle where to bet other side when not all matches got asiansin live . B365 ok, but limits come very fast then...I think that your profits went down for sure or will go down. And what about voiding bets ? they started to do it..

Anyway you told us that you are not using other people profiles and now that you are using bet365 but you can't use them since you are from turkey..so please do not lie

Do you know what is VPN? And did I said i'm using B365? Please read carefully.
Gold times at oddsmatrix not over, there's always a way for sharp traders.
And for your curiosity, My profits didn't went down hopefully. Not higher then previous years but still good.

**olorine** · 01-29-15, 03:02 PM

Originally posted by Sawyer

Do you know what is VPN? And did I said i'm using B365? Please read carefully.
Gold times at oddsmatrix not over, there's always a way for sharp traders.
And for your curiosity, My profits didn't went down hopefully. Not higher then previous years but still good.

Yes i know what is VPN

Do you know what is that turkey is not listed at B365 ?

....i think that if you open B365 via VPN there won't be Turkey l by miracle

or am i mistaken ?

So you are trading fixed leagues at Artemisbet mainly...like Greek cup and so

When there is a way for sharp traders that is not gold time...surely there are not more 2,2 vs 2,2 over surebets like there were....yes trading is answer....but you are kind of lucky that you are from Turkey particularly with oddsmatrix

In Betfair, Asians, Matchbook, there is also way for sharp traders, but i am not calling it golden mine

**Spacefrog** · 02-02-15, 05:00 PM

Originally posted by Sawyer

Not really. Yes, they steal some odds but they're very vulnerable in some areas. Oddsmatrix plays a dramatic role in wealth I accumulated. I love it. Just give me Oddsmatrix and B365, I don't need something else.

Sawyer, do you recomend any of the Oddsmatrix books over the others?

**JAMES GIBSON** · 02-02-15, 06:59 PM

Keep betting with local