heritage grading question

[bubba]

Bookmkers rules are actually perfectly clear. Kluber under should be a winner. Heritage should take note and consider phrasing (and actually making) their rule with similar clarity to bookmakers.

Starting Pitcher Total Strikeouts

In order for the wager to have action the game must go 5 full innings, if the game is suspended before 5 full innings the wager is cancelled/no action. If the game is suspended after 5 full innings the pitcher strikeouts will be determined after the last full inning recorded, starting pitchers must start for action.

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Couldn't disagree more. I want the rulebook to cover every last scenario and take all opinions out of it. I want every last weird thing to be covered in the rulebook.

Doesn't simply having a rule that says "Pitchers must start for action" on this type of prop bet cover every single weird eventuality?

In fact its so clear that there is no weird eventuality. Does not matter if game suspended or rain or anything else. Once the pitcher starts, its all action.

[bubba]

Doesn't simply having a rule that says "Pitchers must start for action" on this type of prop bet cover every single weird eventuality?

In fact its so clear that there is no weird eventuality. Does not matter if game suspended or rain or anything else. Once the pitcher starts, its all action.

If a football prop had player "must start" for action, and there is a blackout after 90 seconds, you would say all wagers stand? Game is cancelled after 2 minutes in basketball, but it says "must start" next to a player , then leborn under 25 points just a winner? id imagine every sportsbook on earth would refund the wagers I mention. You disagree?

I feel saying "must start for action" means that the player must start for action. But not there is automatically action if he starts. There could be extenuating circumstances.

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If a football prop had player "must start" for action, and there is a blackout after 90 seconds, you would say all wagers stand? Game is cancelled after 2 minutes in basketball, but it says "must start" next to a player , then leborn under 25 points just a winner? id imagine every sportsbook on earth would refund the wagers I mention. You disagree?

I feel saying "must start for action" means that the player must start for action. But not there is automatically action if he starts. There could be extenuating circumstances.

Yeah if that was the Football rule, and the game ended after 30 secs, we'd have to agree wagers stand I think.

In tennis some books only require 1 serve for action.

In motorsport it's take the green flag for action.

Sure it feels bad when it goes against you 30 seconds later, but there are times these simple catchall rules work for us as well.


I do get what you are saying, it feels bad, but there must be a good reason this rule is framed this way. To catch all situations.

[bubba]

Yeah if that was the Football rule, and the game ended after 30 secs, we'd have to agree wagers stand I think.

In tennis some books only require 1 serve for action.

In motorsport it's take the green flag for action.

Sure it feels bad when it goes against you 30 seconds later, but there are times these simple catchall rules work for us as well.


I do get what you are saying, it feels bad, but there must be a good reason this rule is framed this way. To catch all situations.

My point is, in order for it to be the football rule, it would have to be clearly stated. Saying "must start" is not clearly stating that a football bet would stand if there is a blackout after 90 seconds. If you want something absurd like football player props having action if game only goes 1 minutes, or baseball wagers to have action if its rained out in the 2nd inning, I am fine with it. Just make it crystal clear in the rules. I dont care what the rule is, it just needs to be clearer.

Next to baseball wagers on heritage it says "must pitch" next to the pitchers (im looking at a moneyline). If they rephrased it to "must pitch for action" you would take that as implying all wagers will have action if the game gets rained out after 1 inning? What do they have to lose by clearly stating the rules like 5dimes and bookmaker?

I guess we will agree to disagree. I just dont think printing "must start for action" is enough. Do you think a football player prop saying "must start for action" and in the rules saying a game must go 58 minutes for action contradict each other? I think they supplement each other. Thats my main point. Must start for action has nothing to do with the amount of time a game goes.

I know how heritage treats these wagers. Not because of their wording but because of how they have consistently enforced it (4 years in between). It would just be nice if their wording was updated.

[darkghost]

Bookmkers rules are actually perfectly clear. Kluber under should be a winner. Heritage should take note and consider phrasing (and actually making) their rule with similar clarity to bookmakers.

Starting Pitcher Total Strikeouts

In order for the wager to have action the game must go 5 full innings, if the game is suspended before 5 full innings the wager is cancelled/no action. If the game is suspended after 5 full innings the pitcher strikeouts will be determined after the last full inning recorded, starting pitchers must start for action.

They changed my bet to a winner!

[Optional]

Yeah, trying to relate it to football like that does not work, I agree.

And I guess if it isn't clear to you, it probably isn't clear enough in general.

[bubba]

Yeah, trying to relate it to football like that does not work, I agree.

And I guess if it isn't clear to you, it probably isn't clear enough in general.

Thats all I am saying. The rule is what it is ( i think its a strange rule to have but they can have almost any rule they want as long as its clear.). I just think its so far from clearly worded. And it is not that hard to clearly word. Thats the frustrating part looking at it as an outsider.

[bubba]

Hypothetically, game gets rained out in 11th inning. Would that be no action on this heritage prop according to these rules below? What does game must be "completed" mean? I think the phrasing could use some improvement. When I hear "be completed" i think a winner must be declared? that would mean for the phillies game, strikeout props need to go less than 1 innings, while the game could be rained out in the 18th innings and these props would be no action. I just feel like there is no rhyme or reason (none of my business i suppose) but really lacking in clarity.

*** let it be noted I am not looking to pick on heritage. they are great. reduced juice/cash back/ they pay. I just think they can improve in the area of clarity.

MLB Fantasy Props - 7/24/2018 Game			Run Line	Money Line	Total Runs	Team Total Runs
Tue 7/24	706200	MLB
7:10PM (PST)	706200	FANTASY BASEBALL PROPS
Tue 7/24	706201	A. Nola - R (PHI) Fantasy points			O 17½ -115
4:05PM (PST)	706202	A. Nola - R (PHI) Fantasy points			U 17½ -115
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[bubba]

Hope everyone had strikeout props under tonight at heritage in red sox game. Can anyone confirm they are grading unders winners here?

[jbayko]

Unders winning because of a postponed game? You can’t be serious.

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Unders winning because of a postponed game? You can’t be serious.

I don't think so. Only happens when a result is declared.

[bubba]

I don't think so. Only happens when a result is declared.

The reason this thread was started, is because they told me they grade pitcher strikeout props as long as the pitcher throws 1 pitch. Even if it rains out in the 1st inning. I was told this my multiple employees 4 years ago, including the GM I believe.

I was shocked to learn this 4 years ago, i spoke to multiple people there and they stuck by it. THEY WERE KIND ENOUGH TO REFUND ME ON THE WAGERS IN QUESTION THAT WERE GRADED A LOSER (but this was done as a favor to me despite their rule). I now know the rule they say they keep.

Having said that, I would lighlty suggest they modify the rule to something more practical/standard. And if not, I strongly suggest they clearly state whatever they want the rule to be so nobody is every surprised like I was 4 years ago.

Having said all that, I do love heritage. Just some (constructive?) criticism on my part.

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The reason this thread was started, is because they told me they grade pitcher strikeout props as long as the pitcher throws 1 pitch. Even if it rains out in the 1st inning. I was told this my multiple employees 4 years ago, including the GM I believe.

I was shocked to learn this 4 years ago, i spoke to multiple people there and they stuck by it. THEY WERE KIND ENOUGH TO REFUND ME ON THE WAGERS IN QUESTION THAT WERE GRADED A LOSER (but this was done as a favor to me despite their rule). I now know the rule they say they keep.

Having said that, I would lighlty suggest they modify the rule to something more practical/standard. And if not, I strongly suggest they clearly state whatever they want the rule to be so nobody is every surprised like I was 4 years ago.

Having said all that, I do love heritage. Just some (constructive?) criticism on my part.

I have to admit I am just confused now.

I've just been trying to help but think I should tuck my tail and walk away. @HeritageInsider, save me man

[bubba]

I have to admit I am just confused now.

I've just been trying to help but think I should tuck my tail and walk away. @HeritageInsider, save me man

I am really not looking for trouble

goodnight

[rangerz2478]

The reason this thread was started, is because they told me they grade pitcher strikeout props as long as the pitcher throws 1 pitch. Even if it rains out in the 1st inning. I was told this my multiple employees 4 years ago, including the GM I believe.

I was shocked to learn this 4 years ago, i spoke to multiple people there and they stuck by it. THEY WERE KIND ENOUGH TO REFUND ME ON THE WAGERS IN QUESTION THAT WERE GRADED A LOSER (but this was done as a favor to me despite their rule). I now know the rule they say they keep.

Having said that, I would lighlty suggest they modify the rule to something more practical/standard. And if not, I strongly suggest they clearly state whatever they want the rule to be so nobody is every surprised like I was 4 years ago.

Having said all that, I do love heritage. Just some (constructive?) criticism on my part.

You were either misinformed or the person who said it was confused. There isn't a book out there who would action a 1 inning (game non completed) pitcher prop. The ones that are debatable are the ones that are called final after 5 innings, but under 9.

[bubba]

You were either misinformed or the person who said it was confused. There isn't a book out there who would action a 1 inning (game non completed) pitcher prop. The ones that are debatable are the ones that are called final after 5 innings, but under 9.

I very well may have been misinformed, but i was told by multiple people at heritage that not even 5 innings were needed for action. It wasnt 1 or 2 people who told me either. It was at least 4 different people (Probably more) I spoke to, including calling the GM. This is 4 years ago but my memory is pretty strong on what I was told. I dont wanna get on their badside and go on livechat now and try to get their ruling 4 years later. But I am 100% positive I was told by 4+ people (4 years ago) that because it says "must start" for action, therefore if a pitcher starts the game there is action even if it goes 1 or 2 innings. It was not just 1 person that told me this. It was multiple people and multiple "supervisors".

I agree with your statement that it SHOULD obviously be no action, but thats not what I was told by anyone i was able to speak to (at least 4 people). I clearly state in the op (and other times during the thread )that I was told 5 innings are not needed. Neither heritage insider or sbr disputed this when I said it. I really wish I was wrong on the issue. I wouldnt believe me if I were u either

[bubba]

I very well may have been misinformed, but i was told by multiple people at heritage that not even 5 innings were needed for action. It wasnt 1 or 2 people who told me either. It was at least 4 different people (Probably more) I spoke to, including calling the GM. This is 4 years ago but my memory is pretty strong on what I was told. I dont wanna get on their badside and go on livechat now and try to get their ruling 4 years later. But I am 100% positive I was told by 4+ people (4 years ago) that because it says "must start" for action, therefore if a pitcher starts the game there is action even if it goes 1 or 2 innings. It was not just 1 person that told me this. It was multiple people and multiple "supervisors".

I agree with your statement that it SHOULD obviously be no action, but thats not what I was told by anyone i was able to speak to (at least 4 people). I clearly state in the op (and other times during the thread )that I was told 5 innings are not needed. Neither heritage insider or sbr disputed this when I said it. I really wish I was wrong on the issue. I wouldnt believe me if I were u either

And let me reiterate they did make me whole and refund the wagers in question . And now I know the rule their (or so I think). I still do wish whatever they want the rule to be was made clearer on the website. Thats all