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  • Casi
    SBR Wise Guy
    • 02-16-09
    • 506

    #1
    SBR will lose credibility if you don´t...
    ...downgrade Betonline very soon. No excuses help, this is not an A book..at best B-. So many shady tactics, fees and complaints. And they have nothing to make up for that, no long history in good standing.

    It is time you do the right thing, the major part of your ratings is ok, but a few make me think you guys lost it.
  • fiveteamer
    SBR Posting Legend
    • 04-14-08
    • 10805

    #2
    I would think a B book is pretty much like an A book except for limits and they way they will quicky boot winners.

    Wagerstreet is an A book but have low limits so they are a B, but really they are perfect for a small time square such as myself.
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    • Casi
      SBR Wise Guy
      • 02-16-09
      • 506

      #3
      Originally posted by fiveteamer
      I would think a B book is pretty much like an A book except for limits and they way they will quicky boot winners.
      No. You cannot compare Pinnacle, Greek or CRIS with B books.
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      • durito
        SBR Posting Legend
        • 07-03-06
        • 13173

        #4
        SBR Recommended List

        Pinnacle Sports A+

        The Greek A+

        BookMaker A+

        BetJamaica A+

        Diamond Sportsbook A+

        LegendZ A+

        WSEX A+

        5Dimes A

        BetOnline A-



        Now let's play: which one of the above does not belong?
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        • cinpls081
          SBR Wise Guy
          • 05-09-08
          • 655

          #5
          bookmaker
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          • durito
            SBR Posting Legend
            • 07-03-06
            • 13173

            #6
            Originally posted by cinpls081
            bookmaker
            guess again
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            • fiveteamer
              SBR Posting Legend
              • 04-14-08
              • 10805

              #7
              durito hates 5dimes. I'm gunna guess 5dimes.

              god bless.
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              • SSLP
                SBR Hall of Famer
                • 02-29-08
                • 5232

                #8
                Ill take betonline for the max

                thanks
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                • Mudcat
                  Restricted User
                  • 07-21-05
                  • 9287

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Casi
                  ...downgrade Betonline very soon. No excuses help, this is not an A book..at best B-. So many shady tactics, fees and complaints. And they have nothing to make up for that, no long history in good standing.

                  It is time you do the right thing, the major part of your ratings is ok, but a few make me think you guys lost it.


                  I pretty much agree. It's a bad rating for a book that uses scam tactics.
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                  • Casi
                    SBR Wise Guy
                    • 02-16-09
                    • 506

                    #10
                    I can live with 5Dimes as A..they offer a lot for smaller players.
                    And i never heared of them stiffing someone, they are just not for sharp players.
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                    • Mudcat
                      Restricted User
                      • 07-21-05
                      • 9287

                      #11
                      Originally posted by fiveteamer
                      I would think a B book is pretty much like an A book except for limits and they way they will quicky boot winners.

                      Wagerstreet is an A book but have low limits so they are a B, but really they are perfect for a small time square such as myself.

                      Limits have very little to do with ratings. Few books have lower limits than Legendz. 5 Dimes and JustBet are well rated but low-limit.
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                      • fiveteamer
                        SBR Posting Legend
                        • 04-14-08
                        • 10805

                        #12
                        I thought I read that limits are taken into account of ratings. I guess I was wrong on that.

                        I've never been limited, so I don't have to worry. Actually, I think Betjam limited me for a day back in football season, I was pretty excited, but then they took the limit away. I guess once they saw me teasing -2 to a +4 they realized it would be silly to limit a guy like me.
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                        • SSLP
                          SBR Hall of Famer
                          • 02-29-08
                          • 5232

                          #13
                          Honestly

                          No book has much on Pinnacle and 5dimes .. the best there is.

                          5dimes is a no BS shop with good limits , fast payouts , nice site , good offerings . Pinnacle is the most pro shop in regards of service and bookmaking and payouts.

                          The Greek , BetCarib , Jamaica etc are OK their downfall is their obnoxious CS that you cant understand .
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                          • katstale
                            SBR MVP
                            • 02-07-07
                            • 3924

                            #14
                            STP I was beginning to appreciate your opinion, but you used 5 pennies and Pinnacle in the same sentence. Can't let that pass on unsuspecting players who just showed up and are clueless. 5 pennies is an ok place for schoolkids with lunch money (majority of "players" here) and some grandma action. NO SERIOUS player plays at 5 pennies for very long. Best scenario I ever heard abt was 3 months. Better to just let tony light you up with f bombs on your first day than stick around waiting for the shoe to drop.

                            Ok, i will give you a pass on this one thinking that maybe you haven't had your coffee yet. If it was a compensated endorsement (not gonna mention any names but initials are LT) then I completely understand. lolol guy has to make a a living
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                            • SSLP
                              SBR Hall of Famer
                              • 02-29-08
                              • 5232

                              #15
                              Lol Kats ... thanks how come you always mispell my name? ITS SSLP! hahaha
                              i did forget about Tony and your right i need my coffee
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                              • Stumpage
                                SBR MVP
                                • 09-21-05
                                • 2906

                                #16
                                Katstale, that is spot on in my opinion. 5Dimes is a curiously run outfit to say the least. I've used tons of books, but this is the only one where you get the feeling that those who run it absolutely hate their customers if they are fortunate enough to start making a profit. It's almost as if Tony becomes personally offended that somebody dare beat the book, and as such you are now to be treated like scum.
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                                • durito
                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                  • 07-03-06
                                  • 13173

                                  #17
                                  It really depends on what goes into the rating. I've always been a believer that if Pinny was an A+, no other book should be A+. And to a professional player, that is still probably true.

                                  But, in todays hostile offshore climate for US players I can't see how you can say Greek/Jamaica are anything but A+, especially for recreational players.

                                  5Dimes is fine at A.

                                  I don't have a problem with limits, delays, or kicking people out. As long as it's done fairly. Tony is an ass, but he will treat you fair and pay every time.

                                  What I am looking for most importantly in ratings is how trustworthy a book is and how safe your money is. Every book is going to have their different wagering options and grading those is subjective. Some books simply to not want sharp action. 5Dimes is one of those books.

                                  BetOnline is no better than C a book.

                                  I recently turned similar sized deposits into similar amounts during football and basketball at Greek and BetOnline. Same types of wagers, same amounts. BetOnline took repeated hostile action against me, lied about it, tried to steal a lost free play from 4 months ago, imposed a ridiculous rollover that was hidden in non industry standard rules, and is now taking 2 months and huge fees to send the money.

                                  Greek on the other hand took all bets, paid all bets. Then were nice enough to waive a rollover on a incoming transfer and sent me two checks for half my balance in 1 day each.
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                                  • katstale
                                    SBR MVP
                                    • 02-07-07
                                    • 3924

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by SSLP
                                    Lol Kats ... thanks how come you always mispell my name? ITS SSLP! hahaha
                                    i did forget about Tony and your right i need my coffee
                                    You forgot STP is "the racer's edge"! always first thing that pops into my head when i see your post. well, that and the cockeyed swede and that waitress in vegas.... ok i am rambling now
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                                    • gridiron guru
                                      SBR Sharp
                                      • 02-21-07
                                      • 255

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by durito
                                      SBR Recommended List

                                      Pinnacle Sports A+

                                      The Greek A+

                                      BookMaker A+

                                      BetJamaica A+

                                      Diamond Sportsbook A+

                                      LegendZ A+

                                      WSEX A+

                                      5Dimes A

                                      BetOnline A-



                                      Now let's play: which one of the above does not belong?
                                      I would say them bastards @ Pinnacle just because they wont open up the site to American players
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                                      • Dark Horse
                                        SBR Posting Legend
                                        • 12-14-05
                                        • 13764

                                        #20
                                        There is no spoon.

                                        There is no measuring stick with evenly placed ratings. Instead, there is a nice ratio between A+ and A, followed by an enormous gap between A and A-, and hardly any space at all between A-, B, and C. For all practical purposes we may as well clump the C/B/A- books into one.

                                        There was a time when the ratings were more carefully arranged, but this is not that time.
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                                        • tomcowley
                                          SBR MVP
                                          • 10-01-07
                                          • 1129

                                          #21
                                          Eh, I'll take B's like jazz group, guardian/justbet, and first fidelity over random c books (and betonline). They've been around quite awhile, they pay, and you never hear about any BS shots. I'm not sure what's holding Jazz group back, actually. JB/Guardian is a good nickel shop that never tried any crap on me even when I ran ridiculously hot there. They're in a class between A and C.
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                                          • durito
                                            SBR Posting Legend
                                            • 07-03-06
                                            • 13173

                                            #22
                                            Jazz has always been an A- group to me. Not quite at the top, but solid nonetheless.
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                                            • frostno98
                                              SBR Hall of Famer
                                              • 09-11-07
                                              • 9769

                                              #23
                                              Betonline was a B+ book when I first played there, and I still think they are a B book. Besides their low Juice, they're not any better than my current book B book's in BetPOP and Intertops.
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                                              • shantystar
                                                SBR Hall of Famer
                                                • 11-13-05
                                                • 7299

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by durito
                                                SBR Recommended List

                                                Pinnacle Sports A+

                                                The Greek A+

                                                BookMaker A+

                                                BetJamaica A+

                                                Diamond Sportsbook A+

                                                LegendZ A+

                                                WSEX A+

                                                5Dimes A

                                                BetOnline A-



                                                Now let's play: which one of the above does not belong?
                                                yes these books are ok.good work pal for people here.
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                                                • big joe 1212
                                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                                  • 06-01-08
                                                  • 19380

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by frostno98
                                                  Betonline was a B+ book when I first played there, and I still think they are a B book. Besides their low Juice, they're not any better than my current book B book's in BetPOP and Intertops.
                                                  BetPop are a bunch of fukin scumbags!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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                                                  • Justin7
                                                    SBR Hall of Famer
                                                    • 07-31-06
                                                    • 8577

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by big joe 1212
                                                    BetPop are a bunch of fukin scumbags!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                                                    Why do you say that? Every dealing I've had with Betpop/First Fidelity, they have done more than what was required by fairness for the player. I think this family could be in the B+/A- range.
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                                                    • Dark Horse
                                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                                      • 12-14-05
                                                      • 13764

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by tomcowley
                                                      Eh, I'll take B's like jazz group, guardian/justbet, and first fidelity over random c books (and betonline). They've been around quite awhile, they pay, and you never hear about any BS shots. I'm not sure what's holding Jazz group back, actually. JB/Guardian is a good nickel shop that never tried any crap on me even when I ran ridiculously hot there. They're in a class between A and C.
                                                      Fair enough. I was over-generalizing. I guess I should have just red-flagged A- (Cascade), and B- (Beted). That minus seems to go a long way to the lesser letter.

                                                      Nine different gradings for just the A, B, and C books seems a lot. And the advantages of such precision ratings are not clear when a majority of posters disagrees with a rating, as for BOL.

                                                      Would it be oversimplifying to read A- as B, read B- as C, and forget about +, except for A+? That's four ratings for the A/B/C group (A+, A, B, C) instead of nine.
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                                                      • Casi
                                                        SBR Wise Guy
                                                        • 02-16-09
                                                        • 506

                                                        #28
                                                        I don´t care if ratings are not 100% accurate, but a shady book as A is very bad.
                                                        Think about all the guys that never visit the forum, and just go by the ratings...

                                                        Reading all this crap in the BO review makes you wonder..."earned its position on the SBR Recommended List through hard work, innovation and experience".
                                                        Prolly the biggest bullshit sentence on the whole SBR page lol..
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                                                        • shipitkthx
                                                          SBR Hustler
                                                          • 01-26-08
                                                          • 56

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by Justin7
                                                          Why do you say that? Every dealing I've had with Betpop/First Fidelity, they have done more than what was required by fairness for the player. I think this family could be in the B+/A- range.
                                                          I had one issue with them. My account was closed and "investigated." And by investigated I mean them desperately searching for reasons to confiscate my $2k -> $26k in 3 weeks balance run up. They bullshitted around for a couple weeks then the second the "i'm gonna post this on SBR" threat was made the wire was on its way the next morning.
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                                                          • norb
                                                            SBR Rookie
                                                            • 01-15-09
                                                            • 30

                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by shipitkthx
                                                            They bullshitted around for a couple weeks then the second the "i'm gonna post this on SBR" threat was made the wire was on its way the next morning.
                                                            this has always been great strenght of SBR, getting lower rated books to pay up, but i'm affraid it isn't going to hold up in the future if WSEX or BET365 stay in top rated category, looking at their latest actions.
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                                                            • Casi
                                                              SBR Wise Guy
                                                              • 02-16-09
                                                              • 506

                                                              #31
                                                              I wish someone from SBR would make a comment, silent agreement?
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                                                              • HedgeHog
                                                                SBR Posting Legend
                                                                • 09-11-07
                                                                • 10128

                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by Casi
                                                                I wish someone from SBR would make a comment, silent agreement?
                                                                Point is well taken. What keeps mediocre Books like BetonLine, Betphoenix, and the like in the A and B range? Obviously it's advertising $$$. Las Palmas was once a B Book too. But they are no longer a sponsor, plus they're screwing clients--they've dropped to C- since.

                                                                My point is that no sponsor is less than a B until, well, they are no longer a sponsor. Money buys the Rating obviously.
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