Any one playing at Wagerweb?

[dark star]

These guys don't give up.Are they worth a small post-up.
They seem to have alot of love/hate relationships with players



Good things,bad things,misunderstandings yet seemingly
quick & free pay-outs.

They called me with a good promo,so any input from you
guys would be much appreciated.Thx

[Justin7]

They are a rec book. They don't like pro players, but they generally play fair.

[Mudcat]

These guys don't give up.Are they worth a small post-up.
They seem to have alot of love/hate relationships with players



Good things,bad things,misunderstandings yet seemingly
quick & free pay-outs.

They called me with a good promo,so any input from you
guys would be much appreciated.Thx

They don't have free payouts. They take the normal fee out of your cash account and switch it to freeplay - and they call that free. It is similar to how they reimburse Western Union fees. Where most books put the cash in your account, WW gives you the dollar amount as a freeplay. Just two small examples of one big weasely picture.

They are not quick. I have documented cases of 2+ months for a payout from a regular rec player willing to take money by any method WW were willing to send it.

If you take the promo and you show any sign of winning, they will look for a way to shaft you. If you lose, you will be fine. On the plus side, you are aware of this forum. There have been people they started to screw but when SBR got involved, WW backed of somewhat.

They have a shill or two around the forum so bear that in mind if you see anything positive about them.

[HeeeHAWWWW]

When I lost, they were happy. When I won, they booted me and gouged from my account (even though the freeplay lost, and they took cash for a fp worth 2/3 at most). Oh, and they charge $20 per $1k withdraw, and those are no longer "free" once you're booted so they took another $60.

They did pay up though, took a few weeks cos it was ewallet.

Didn't actually mind playing there though, they have decent limits. Ironically I'd have been happy to take no bonus at all, especially if I knew the trouble it'd cause.

[MilfDriller]

good info, mud

[Stumpage]

I played there only briefly some years ago and it was not a pleasant experience. I was in profit from the get-go, and it took only a few wagers for them to limit me drastically. And when I say a few wagers I'm literally talking 5 to 10 at most. Only Bet365 has moved as rapidly in my experience to cut down limits.

Also, I imagine this might have changed by this point, but back then the maximum free Neteller withdrawal was $1000. Very forgettable book and one which I have never even remotely considered redepositing into after several years now.

[dark star]

Good info guys,much thanks!!

[robmpink]

What Mudcat says is half right. If you are a platinum players you do get free payouts and it is returned to your account as cash. I have been happy with them for the 1 1/2 I returned playing with them.

Also, they are quick with their payouts in my experiences which total about 40-50 I think. Mudcat will just uses two or three cases from "sources" to base everything off of. As was stated earlier they are a rec book. If you are a rec player you are fine. It is obvious Mudcat has sour grapes with Wagerweb because he is a professional player. He himself said that is what he does for his main source of income. Anyway, I guess it is a either you love em or hate em relationship for people. PS, there horse book has high max payouts which is rare with offshore books.

[JBC77]

Nope. If it aint an A then I don't play.

[robmpink]

Nope. If it aint an A then I don't play.

Can't disagree with your statement. If you do play with a lower rated B/C book, I would suggest looking at WW. Again, if it has what suits you, play. If not, don't.

[dark star]

Can't disagree with your statement. If you do play with a lower rated B/C book, I would suggest looking at WW. Again, if it has what suits you, play. If not, don't.

I'll take Heritage's B rating over a few A books I've seen.

[Thremp]

They are a rec book. They don't like pro players, but they generally play fair.

lol

Like trying to seize dollars for a lost freeplay when they boot players?

[DIF]

They do pay but If I remember correctly they took huge fees(in mine case).Be careful with their bonuses. . check their bonus-rules carefully.´

For every small player(up to saldo $1500) it should be no problem(I think)

[jjgold]

Forget them, average book at best with sketchy REP

Much better books like

carib
5 dimes
greek
jamaica
rebatewager

[robmpink]

Forget them, average book at best with sketchy REP

Much better books like

carib
5 dimes
greek
jamaica
rebatewager

Again it depends on what your needs are. Play horses at the Greek and bet $2 on a 50-1 shot. You will probaby get paid $30. Play horses at Betjam. Play a $1 pick 4 at Belmont that pays $25,000 at the track. Get paid $600 at Betjam. Maybe some of you could jerk off to getting paid the $600 at "lighting speed" vs $25,000 at ww. from what I hear carib pays decent w/ horses.

[Smurf71]

From what I read it seems like "4 losers only " book or for those who would like to jerk around with $20 bets. Anything above that they are cutting your limits to an absurd level and showing you the door! Who needs that kind of crap? We all are doing it to make money and we all are trying to be as sharp as we can... Books who like losers only- **** them!

[robmpink]

[QUOTE=Smurf71;2076416]From what I read it seems like "4 losers only " book or for those who would like to jerk around with $20 bets. Anything above that they are cutting your limits to an absurd level and showing you the door! Who needs that kind of crap? We all are doing it to make money and we all are trying to be as sharp as we can... Books who like losers only- **** them![/QU

I must be lucky. Once I bet $22 without my limits being cut. Usually I bet 50 cents to 68 cents per bet.

The fact of the matter is ww is a rec book. If they think you are sharp you will be shown the door.

Tell me one book who likes to jerk off to winners? Is it a secret they aren't pinnacle? Is this wwsucks?

They are a really good rec book. Horse payouts are good compared to most books.

[idontlikerocks]

i have been using wagerweb for about 16 months now. i usually wager 100 dollars a play. i havn't had any problems with them. have had two payouts in that time without any problem. they offer some prop bets on baseball that are hard to find elsewhere.

[moonbeam]

my maximum wager from the first day I used them: $100 for everything. Time to say goodbye

[Sarah]

I will post a actual email that came from a player

Are you serious? Why would I make any wagers with your site? WagerWeb CHEATED me out of a winning bet. Go back and look at my history, and let me know if I was treated fairly. I was told I placed a wager on an 'incorrect' line. I didn't make the line, your site did. How is that my fault? It was very convenient that I was told the wager was void AFTER the bet was a winner. Why not cancel the bet before it is over? Because you have nothing to lose by waiting. If it loses, then accept. If it wins, then cancel. SHADY business!

Read Please

[Sarah]

Email from a wagerweb player

here is the content:

Are you serious? Why would I make any wagers with your site? WagerWeb CHEATED me out of a winning bet. Go back and look at my history, and let me know if I was treated fairly. I was told I placed a wager on an 'incorrect' line. I didn't make the line, your site did. How is that my fault? It was very convenient that I was told the wager was void AFTER the bet was a winner. Why not cancel the bet before it is over? Because you have nothing to lose by waiting. If it loses, then accept. If it wins, then cancel. SHADY business!

Read please

[slimmdiggity]

Not me Im on Bodog.Not that I really like Bodog but its where i got money.

[slimmdiggity]

here is the content:

Are you serious? Why would I make any wagers with your site? WagerWeb CHEATED me out of a winning bet. Go back and look at my history, and let me know if I was treated fairly. I was told I placed a wager on an 'incorrect' line. I didn't make the line, your site did. How is that my fault? It was very convenient that I was told the wager was void AFTER the bet was a winner. Why not cancel the bet before it is over? Because you have nothing to lose by waiting. If it loses, then accept. If it wins, then cancel. SHADY business!

Read please

No way i would bet there.

[slimmdiggity]

here is the content:

Are you serious? Why would I make any wagers with your site? WagerWeb CHEATED me out of a winning bet. Go back and look at my history, and let me know if I was treated fairly. I was told I placed a wager on an 'incorrect' line. I didn't make the line, your site did. How is that my fault? It was very convenient that I was told the wager was void AFTER the bet was a winner. Why not cancel the bet before it is over? Because you have nothing to lose by waiting. If it loses, then accept. If it wins, then cancel. SHADY business!

Read please

Quote:
Originally Posted by dark star
These guys don't give up.Are they worth a small post-up.
They seem to have alot of love/hate relationships with players



Good things,bad things,misunderstandings yet seemingly
quick & free pay-outs.

They called me with a good promo,so any input from you
guys would be much appreciated.Thx


They don't have free payouts. They take the normal fee out of your cash account and switch it to freeplay - and they call that free. It is similar to how they reimburse Western Union fees. Where most books put the cash in your account, WW gives you the dollar amount as a freeplay. Just two small examples of one big weasely picture.

They are not quick. I have documented cases of 2+ months for a payout from a regular rec player willing to take money by any method WW were willing to send it.

If you take the promo and you show any sign of winning, they will look for a way to shaft you. If you lose, you will be fine. On the plus side, you are aware of this forum. There have been people they started to screw but when SBR got involved, WW backed of somewhat.

They have a shill or two around the forum so bear that in mind if you see anything positive about them.

Just spread the word to other players not to use them.
Its about all we can do.

[Rand790]

The worst sportsbook on the planet - keep away - unless you are ROBMPINK (aka WW management team)........

[Sarah]

yup wager web sucks

The worst sportsbook on the planet - keep away - unless you are ROBMPINK (aka WW management team)........

i think robmpink is s u c k i n g .. Dan thats why his Homo buddy

[robmpink]

i think robmpink is s u c k i n g .. Dan thats why his Homo buddy

Just taking an educated guess here......... WWS, Sarah, and Slimmdiggity are all the same person.

[robmpink]

Wagerwebsucks took a shot and got busted.


've finished my factual investigation.

The player would call Wager Web 1 minute before kickoff. Wager Web's software would determine what games were open at the start of the telephone call, not when the bet was confirmed. The player would stay on the phone 8-12 minutes, and bet on a halftime line if the team he wanted scored, or was in scoring position. About 75% of his action (that Wager web showed me) was a past post. In EVERY INSTANCE, the player had a monster advantage when he took the bet. The player was "caught" when he tried to bet on two games in the same call where teams had already scored, and the clerk called out the play to ask if those games were good (that is not the normal procedure).

Wager Web monitors its "wise guys" closely, but does not routinely monitor other players - even those betting 5k per game. This player was not profiled as a sharp, so his wagers were not even showing up on the betting monitor.

Here some of the bets I reviewed:

10/6/7: Central FLA h1 -2
(CFU scored a TD on kickoff)
10/13/07 Miami FL +0.5
(GT punted on first possession)
10/13/07 Penn St h2 -3
(PSU scored a TD 3 minutes into h2)
10/13/07 Notre Dame h2 +7
(ND forced BC to punt on first possession)
10/14/07 NYJ h1 +2.5
(NYJ had ball on PHI 30 after KO and 1 play)
10/14/07 TENN h2 EV
(Tenn scored FG on first drive)
10/14/07 Balt h2 +4
(Balt kicked FG on first drive)
10/14/07 Dal h2 +2
(Dal scored TD 3:36 into h2)
10/18/07 Utah/TCU OV24 h2
(TCU drove to UT 33 after kickoff and 1 play)
10/20/07 Iowa h1 +4
(Iowa drove to 42 quickly)
10/20/07 Tenn/Ala OVER
(FG kicked in under 2 mins)
10/20/07 UVA+4
(UVA scored in 3:30)
10/21/07 Tenn h1 +1/2
(TENN kicked a FG in 3:30)
10/21/07 Cinci h1 -3x
(Cincin drove to NYJ 36 in 4 plays)
10/21/07 KC h1 +0.5
(KC drove to Oak 45 quickly, kicked FG)
10/21/07 S Miss h2
(S Miss scored a TD)

I looked at over half the claimed past-posts. In EVERY INSTANCE (save the first 2, where we disagree on the actual kickoff time), the player was betting 4-10 minutes after post, and was at a big advantage when the bet was placed. There was not a single past-post that "looked stupid". I'd note that I could not confirm the kickoff times for h2 wagers, but the player has not strenuously argued that any of these wagers were not past-posts.

Wager Web should have had better risk management to avoid this problem. They have made changes to avoid this kind of problem in the future. This dispute was preventable, and they share blame.

Whereas Wager Web was sloppy, the player was deliberately taking a shot. He was intentionally and systematically taking advantage of a weakness in the bookmaker's software. Between the two, I think the player is clearly more at fault.

What should be done here? This is a tough one, but I cannot say Wager Web was unfair. They canceled all past-post plays (both winners and losers). While we all agree they should have canceled the wagers before the games ended, I think their handling was reasonable given when they discovered the problem.

There is still a small factual issue remaining: did Wager Web pay the player his other winnings - the player asserts he is owed money even if all the past-posted wagers were canceled. That is a minor issue though, and I'll report about it if it isn't resolved.

Bill Dozer and I talked for several hours on this dispute. You might notice that we don't agree completely on everything. As you have seen in the past, SBR encourages me to post my findings and opinions, even if we aren't in agreement. This is what makes SBR a great player resource - the free flow of information and ideas.

He called in before and talked about his small penis and his bleed hemroid. His love for guys and whatever under the sun just to delay. Too bad so sad.

[head_strong]

Never heard of it.....

[Sarah]

wagerweb sucks

Wagerwebsucks took a shot and got busted.


've finished my factual investigation.

The player would call Wager Web 1 minute before kickoff. Wager Web's software would determine what games were open at the start of the telephone call, not when the bet was confirmed. The player would stay on the phone 8-12 minutes, and bet on a halftime line if the team he wanted scored, or was in scoring position. About 75% of his action (that Wager web showed me) was a past post. In EVERY INSTANCE, the player had a monster advantage when he took the bet. The player was "caught" when he tried to bet on two games in the same call where teams had already scored, and the clerk called out the play to ask if those games were good (that is not the normal procedure).

Wager Web monitors its "wise guys" closely, but does not routinely monitor other players - even those betting 5k per game. This player was not profiled as a sharp, so his wagers were not even showing up on the betting monitor.

Here some of the bets I reviewed:

10/6/7: Central FLA h1 -2
(CFU scored a TD on kickoff)
10/13/07 Miami FL +0.5
(GT punted on first possession)
10/13/07 Penn St h2 -3
(PSU scored a TD 3 minutes into h2)
10/13/07 Notre Dame h2 +7
(ND forced BC to punt on first possession)
10/14/07 NYJ h1 +2.5
(NYJ had ball on PHI 30 after KO and 1 play)
10/14/07 TENN h2 EV
(Tenn scored FG on first drive)
10/14/07 Balt h2 +4
(Balt kicked FG on first drive)
10/14/07 Dal h2 +2
(Dal scored TD 3:36 into h2)
10/18/07 Utah/TCU OV24 h2
(TCU drove to UT 33 after kickoff and 1 play)
10/20/07 Iowa h1 +4
(Iowa drove to 42 quickly)
10/20/07 Tenn/Ala OVER
(FG kicked in under 2 mins)
10/20/07 UVA+4
(UVA scored in 3:30)
10/21/07 Tenn h1 +1/2
(TENN kicked a FG in 3:30)
10/21/07 Cinci h1 -3x
(Cincin drove to NYJ 36 in 4 plays)
10/21/07 KC h1 +0.5
(KC drove to Oak 45 quickly, kicked FG)
10/21/07 S Miss h2
(S Miss scored a TD)

I looked at over half the claimed past-posts. In EVERY INSTANCE (save the first 2, where we disagree on the actual kickoff time), the player was betting 4-10 minutes after post, and was at a big advantage when the bet was placed. There was not a single past-post that "looked stupid". I'd note that I could not confirm the kickoff times for h2 wagers, but the player has not strenuously argued that any of these wagers were not past-posts.

Wager Web should have had better risk management to avoid this problem. They have made changes to avoid this kind of problem in the future. This dispute was preventable, and they share blame.

Whereas Wager Web was sloppy, the player was deliberately taking a shot. He was intentionally and systematically taking advantage of a weakness in the bookmaker's software. Between the two, I think the player is clearly more at fault.

What should be done here? This is a tough one, but I cannot say Wager Web was unfair. They canceled all past-post plays (both winners and losers). While we all agree they should have canceled the wagers before the games ended, I think their handling was reasonable given when they discovered the problem.

There is still a small factual issue remaining: did Wager Web pay the player his other winnings - the player asserts he is owed money even if all the past-posted wagers were canceled. That is a minor issue though, and I'll report about it if it isn't resolved.

Bill Dozer and I talked for several hours on this dispute. You might notice that we don't agree completely on everything. As you have seen in the past, SBR encourages me to post my findings and opinions, even if we aren't in agreement. This is what makes SBR a great player resource - the free flow of information and ideas.

He called in before and talked about his small penis and his bleed hemroid. His love for guys and whatever under the sun just to delay. Too bad so sad.

Clearly with all this info robmpink is showing hes working inside wagerweb office ... he really is s u c k i n g

[robmpink]

Clearly with all this info robmpink is showing hes working inside wagerweb office ... he really is s u c k i n g

Are you that dumb? Seriously?Could you be that dumb? WWS, I'm not in the mood to go back and paste all of your other threads were you immediately accuse me of working for wagerweb. It seems to be the same with "Sarah". You really are a first class tool.

[robmpink]

Never heard of it.....

Ok, JJ. Any other original replies, son?

[Sarah]

wagerweb sucks

Are you that dumb? Seriously?Could you be that dumb? WWS, I'm not in the mood to go back and paste all of your other threads were you immediately accuse me of working for wagerweb. It seems to be the same with "Sarah". You really are a first class tool.

We got one angry homo right now ....

[robmpink]

We got one angry homo right now ....

Stupido, the way you talk, girls don't talk like that. Sorry your bribes to sbr employees didn't work out.

[Sarah]

Im not WWS dumbass so you are clearly mistaken.. im not paying anybody in sbr same wagerweb is paying you