bwin/party/gamebookers blocked my funds almost 6 months

[gryzonko]

Hes basically saying "SBR help me to avoid taxes".

Wrong. I have no possibillity to pay taxes. My options were:
- legally bet in 3 or 4 local bookies with extremely poor offer, without livebetting, without betfair etc. Pay taxes
- "unnoficial" bet in international bookies, avoid bank transfers, not pay taxes
Wchich option would you onemoregoal choose?

[onemoregoal]

Id leave Poland. Thats what I would have done.

"unnoficial" bet in international bookies, avoid bank transfers, not pay taxes"

You assumed you would avoid bank transfers not pay taxes. Im very confused what your point is. All I can see is that you are angry BWIN wont pay you via Skrill, they dont have to do that.
When I withdraw from Willhil, if its a big withdrawal - they split it. Sometimes 2 or 3 different withdrawal types (they say for "fraud")... it doesnt bother me - because I have nothing to hide.

[gryzonko]

Just leave your country,whats easy solution. I suppose details like your family house friends etc. are not specially important in this idea.....I have no idea where you live onemoregoal, but it is easy to say some opinions when you live in country without serious gambling restrictions.

[pellumb341]

Id leave Poland. Thats what I would have done.

"unnoficial" bet in international bookies, avoid bank transfers, not pay taxes"

You assumed you would avoid bank transfers not pay taxes. Im very confused what your point is. All I can see is that you are angry BWIN wont pay you via Skrill, they dont have to do that.
When I withdraw from Willhil, if its a big withdrawal - they split it. Sometimes 2 or 3 different withdrawal types (they say for "fraud")... it doesnt bother me - because I have nothing to hide.

I think the point is : For bank transfers more than 10k EUR ,the bank has to inform the Internal National Service or something like that.They will figure out that money is coming from betting sites,so you have to pay the consequences.I don't know what the consequences are exactly , but from what i know one of them is the confiscation of 75% of money.I am the costumer and i don't know which bookies are licensed in my country,is that my fault that bwin/pinnacle/sbobet and all bookies accept polish costumers despite the fact they have no license ???!!! NOOO ,the government must punish the bookies ,not the players.

I think that bookies consider "bank transfers" like a verification process.Like i said before, just withdraw a small amount via bank transfer (something like 200-300 EUR ) ,so you are telling bwin that you have nothing to hide.Then ask bwin to withdraw rest of money via skrill/neteller , cuz you already made a bank transfer which means that you passed the verification process

[onemoregoal]

I think the point is : For bank transfers more than 10k EUR ,the bank has to inform the Internal National Service or something like that.They will figure out that money is coming from betting sites,so you have to pay the consequences.I don't know what the consequences are exactly , but from what i know one of them is the confiscation of 75% of money.I am the costumer and i don't know which bookies are licensed in my country,is that my fault that bwin/pinnacle/sbobet and all bookies accept polish costumers despite the fact they have no license ???!!! NOOO ,the government must punish the bookies ,not the players.

I think that bookies consider "bank transfers" like a verification process.Like i said before, just withdraw a small amount via bank transfer (something like 200-300 EUR ) ,so you are telling bwin that you have nothing to hide.Then ask bwin to withdraw rest of money via skrill/neteller , cuz you already made a bank transfer which means that you passed the verification process

Well he knew BWIN didnt have a licence, if he didnt know this then he deserves more sympathy. Also he said players have to pay tax on singles over $550, so with a balance of 35k he would have to pay some tax anyway.
Im probably being cruel, but i just think OP is very naive. Lives in a country with strict gaming laws, knows the book has no licence, plays at BWIN a shit book, runs up a balance of 35k - all under the assumption that he can withdraw via skrill "and everything will be ok".
There probably is a way around this, and i hope you get paid as i hate BWIN, but leaving your money untouched for 6 months cant help much either.

[pellumb341]

Poland is accepted by all bookies , bwin,sbo,188bet,pinnacle...all of them...even they have no license !!! It's not costumer fault , but it's the fault of bookies which are breaking the law ,and the fault of the state which don't punish them.
You live in UK and don't have problems with "bookies monopoly" , but in local bookies you can find ridiculous odds with 80% payout.At my local bookies i have seen some Argentinian league 1 matches with such odds : over 2.5 @ 1.80 and under 2.5 @ 1.50 ....would you play at these bookies ?
So ,you have 2 alternatives : either to play at local bookies which offer odds with 80-85% payout , or to play "illegal" at international bookies ...which one would you chose ?

About the taxes,i think he referred to bookies which are licensed in Poland ,not bwin.His matter in not about taxes because he simply does not have to pay taxes (you pay taxes only at licensed bookies) , his matter is that Internal Service will figure out the source and then they will confiscate 75% (or even all) of his money

[onemoregoal]

I would choose neither option. With amounts like 35k, theres no way I would either play at an "illegal" book, or play at shops with stupid odds.
No?

[allin1]

play at offshore books like 5dimes, the greek, betdsi

they offer e-wallet withdrawals and if you have neteller or skrill debit cards you avoid the Polish banks

I still don't understand why you kept so much money at bwin considering they did not accept new Polish customers. Also I don't understand why you waited 6 months.

[pjesnik24]

probably the reason why BWIN does not want to pay you through skrill or neteller is that they probably have to pay 2-3% fee to these e-wallets which is 1000E for that amount. I an pretty sure that it would cost them less if they send you a wire.
Try to offer them to cover the fee for skrill (pay the 1000E) and maybe they will bite

[horja1]

probably the reason why BWIN does not want to pay you through skrill or neteller is that they probably have to pay 2-3% fee to these e-wallets which is 1000E for that amount. I an pretty sure that it would cost them less if they send you a wire.
Try to offer them to cover the fee for skrill (pay the 1000E) and maybe they will bite

BWIN people know he will prob not get a bank account so they will not accept any other option - this way Bwin does not have to pay

[gryzonko]

play at offshore books like 5dimes, the greek, betdsi

they offer e-wallet withdrawals and if you have neteller or skrill debit cards you avoid the Polish banks

I still don't understand why you kept so much money at bwin considering they did not accept new Polish customers. Also I don't understand why you waited 6 months.

Of course I am also using 5dimes, betdsi and many other high reputated books. But european bookies like bwin, has totally different offer.
Bwin has blocked my account very soon after embargo of my country. Of course I should made withdrawal earlier, I didnt it to avoid limits. Bad move, I know.
Why I have waited 6 months? - contact with bwin/part/gb is not easy. Average time of respond for email about 1 week ( partybets/gamebookers supports dont respond for emails at all), docs. verify also a lot of time. 29-th july I have started ecogra dispute mediation. Their rule is to not disputing with other authorities until they finish. Unfortunately ecogra werent able to help me.

[gryzonko]

BWIN people know he will prob not get a bank account so they will not accept any other option - this way Bwin does not have to pay

You right. I have already offered bwin to cover a skrill fee. They refused it.I have asked support for any other withdrawal option than bank transfer. Like always , they say- no because no.

[horja1]

You right. I have already offered bwin to cover a skrill fee. They refused it.I have asked support for any other withdrawal option than bank transfer. Like always , they say- no because no.

yep ... that is Bwin ... no flexibility at all ... they will just quote Rule no. xxx (even if sometimes it has nothing to do with your case) and that is all

[allin1]

Of course I am also using 5dimes, betdsi and many other high reputated books. But european bookies like bwin, has totally different offer.
Bwin has blocked my account very soon after embargo of my country. Of course I should made withdrawal earlier, I didnt it to avoid limits. Bad move, I know.
Why I have waited 6 months? - contact with bwin/part/gb is not easy. Average time of respond for email about 1 week ( partybets/gamebookers supports dont respond for emails at all), docs. verify also a lot of time. 29-th july I have started ecogra dispute mediation. Their rule is to not disputing with other authorities until they finish. Unfortunately ecogra werent able to help me.

I see. Well, if you got lucky with your bets, you certainly did not get lucky when it comes to this issue. Maybe you will be able to come to a deal with them regarding a small 3 digits withdrawal in your bank account and the rest through e-wallets.

Regarding the different offer of bwin compared to offshore books. What exactly are you referring too? Props?

[brankica023]

You right. I have already offered bwin to cover a skrill fee. They refused it.I have asked support for any other withdrawal option than bank transfer. Like always , they say- no because no.

One question,are you 100% shore that you ll get your money if you have bank account?There isnt any other problem with your accounts because you mention that they accuse you for late betting?Do Bwin,Party and Gamebookers agree to pay you full amount if you provide them your bank acount?

[gryzonko]

One question,are you 100% shore that you ll get your money if you have bank account?There isnt any other problem with your accounts because you mention that they accuse you for late betting?Do Bwin,Party and Gamebookers agree to pay you full amount if you provide them your bank acount?

Method of withdrawal is only problem - I am even able to login to my account ( is still locked, not closed, I can check my account history, request a bank withdrawal, cannot betting and use other deposit/withdrawal options).
By the way- "late bets" is a bullshit, acogra asked them for a reason of account closure, so they say late bets. When I have asked suppport wchich bets were late, of course didnt respond for it.

Allin1 - soccer livebetting , only 1x2 and totals

[allin1]

Allin1 - soccer livebetting , only 1x2 and totals

so many other bookmakers that offer these bets... I don't think they have less juice so... are they slow on moving their lines? why choose bwin?

[DiCaprioHD1995]

so many other bookmakers that offer these bets... I don't think they have less juice so... are they slow on moving their lines? why choose bwin?

+1

bwin is sort of slow scamming sites !

Never trust them !

[allin1]

+1

bwin is sort of slow scamming sites !

Never trust them !

I don't think they are scamming. They are one of the biggest sportsbook in the world. My question was regarding what they offer in terms of value, but I just found out that there is sometimes value in their in-play odds.

[brankica023]

Method of withdrawal is only problem - I am even able to login to my account ( is still locked, not closed, I can check my account history, request a bank withdrawal, cannot betting and use other deposit/withdrawal options).
By the way- "late bets" is a bullshit, acogra asked them for a reason of account closure, so they say late bets. When I have asked suppport wchich bets were late, of course didnt respond for it.

Allin1 - soccer livebetting , only 1x2 and totals

I dont understand why you dont open bank account abroad.Depend where you live in Poland you have Litva,Czech,Slovacia and Germany around you and ton of cheap flights to UK.Take your passport,go to some of this countries,open bank account in first bank,take CC and problem is solved.You ll get your money,your govermant ll not know about it and you can withdraw you money by CC everywhere in world without problem.You need one day for this and you ll spend few hundred euro on it but you are still waiting with your 37000€ and wondering what to do.

[horja1]

I don't think they are scamming.

could be ... but a lot of changes (most of these not good) happened to the group in the last years leading probably to a bad overall status of the Bwin group books in terms of CS, betting platform, flexibility and so on ... Bwin is slowly going down atm while, for example, Bet365 in only going up

[gryzonko]

I dont understand why you dont open bank account abroad.Depend where you live in Poland you have Litva,Czech,Slovacia and Germany around you and ton of cheap flights to UK.Take your passport,go to some of this countries,open bank account in first bank,take CC and problem is solved.You ll get your money,your govermant ll not know about it and you can withdraw you money by CC everywhere in world without problem.You need one day for this and you ll spend few hundred euro on it but you are still waiting with your 37000€ and wondering what to do.

I m not expert in this matter , butI have read that many banks dont accept non-residents. Banks often require adress in bank country.

[allin1]

I m not expert in this matter , butI have read that many banks dont accept non-residents. Banks often require adress in bank country.

No. Actually most banks will open an account to a foreigner as long as you have a passport. Why wouldn't they take your money and charge you fees for their services?

[jimmy991]

Are you an arber? I tried to send you a PM with some info but I need 20 posts..

[onemoregoal]

I m not expert in this matter , butI have read that many banks dont accept non-residents. Banks often require adress in bank country.

Why dont you find out? do some research........ Theres lots of banks and building societies in UK, call and ask if you can open account.
BUT as another poster has mentioned, BWIN may get suspicious if you live in Poland - but send the money to another country, thats the bigger problem...

[pellumb341]

probably the reason why BWIN does not want to pay you through skrill or neteller is that they probably have to pay 2-3% fee to these e-wallets which is 1000E for that amount. I an pretty sure that it would cost them less if they send you a wire.
Try to offer them to cover the fee for skrill (pay the 1000E) and maybe they will bite

I don't think the fees are the issue here because bwin charges 3% on withdrawals.So ,bwin pays 3% to skrill,costumer pays 3% to bwin , indirectly the costumer is the one who is paying 3% to skrill.Bwin have ZERO costs here.

[pjesnik24]

I don't think the fees are the issue here because bwin charges 3% on withdrawals.So ,bwin pays 3% to skrill,costumer pays 3% to bwin , indirectly the costumer is the one who is paying 3% to skrill.Bwin have ZERO costs here.

I did not know that as I was limited there long time ago

[gryzonko]

Whats is going on with SBR? I have made complaint in this case 3 weeks ago ( I have received a copy of my compalint to my email from SBR system, so SBR have received it). 3 weeks and SBR even not responded for my complaint. On main site SBR promise to respond in max. 2 days. I am waiing, waiting and still nothing. Honestly i am little confused.

[Teddy_KGB]

Did not you read this?

"unfortunately SBR will not be able to help you with Bwin books ... I also had a complaint and SBR told me that the Bwin group does not cooperate with them - I was also told to send a complaint to Ecogra."

Fill a complaint at www.ecogra.org

[bettingstation]

wow, maybe bwin dont like customers...

[horja1]

Did not you read this?

"unfortunately SBR will not be able to help you with Bwin books ... I also had a complaint and SBR told me that the Bwin group does not cooperate with them - I was also told to send a complaint to Ecogra."

Fill a complaint at www.ecogra.org

unfortunately complaining to ECOGRA is a waste of time too ... when making my first complaint it was written to just give a brief description of my dispute and ECOGRA will get back to me for aditional info if needed ... of course, the book told them exactly what they told me and ECOGRA just passed me the same message saying I do not have a valid dispute and never asking for aditional info ... also never got a feedback to my second complaint ... and ECOGRA answers to emails almost as bad as BWIN

[gryzonko]

TEddy_KGB - on main SBR site I have no see info that Bwin not cooperate with SBR. Also last news about bwin complaint is from 2011. Ok, I can understand that bwin doesnt want to cooperate with SBR, but I cannot understand why SBR doesnt publish players complaints against bwin? Since 2011 wasnt fair complaint against Bwin? I dont think so. Also If bwin doesnt cooperate, why is so high rated by SBR? It looks like bwin is a holy cow for SBR

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As I said before, I am waiting over 3 weeks for SBR respond. A few years ago SBR was really helpfull in disputes against unfair bookmakers . Now SBR even not pretend to help players against some bookmakers. As Horja said, unfortunately Ecogra is also not helpfull at all. It is not good time for gamblers.

[jacquer]

hi,
did you solve the problem?