Canbet Sportsbook payout issues update - Canbet Director comments..

[Jack JJ]

Yeah that's pretty much what I thought so difficult to see it as very attractive really. I still think there is an asset of the customer list that would be worth a lot, but let's face it, it's probably already been harvested and the proceeds used elsewhere.

We can still object to the strike off though. It's free and just needs an email showing you were owed money. Again, might feel like little point but if they keep trying to strike It off (including changing the name to try and get around the original objection to strike off) then they must get some benefit from doing it and so it's attractive in that sense.

It would keep winding up an option. Maybe a joint motion to all put a little money in? Again time and effort and money to coordinate so feels like throwing good money after bad I guess.

[Hareeba!]

Very strange.

Gone quiet.

More than 2 weeks since the last post in this thread!

Have Delta Corp's threats silenced you guys?

[Krashman]

Very strange.

Gone quiet.

More than 2 weeks since the last post in this thread!

Have Delta Corp's threats silenced you guys?

Little group of 'bloggers' finally succeed at getting their asses sued off by Delta and Peter Lord?

[simply]

As I know some of as are threatened both from Delta and from Peter Lord, but Mojo should have more info. Fraudster declared that he has nothing with money disappeared in Canbet, but he is still desperate in creating fake blogs and twitter accounts (https://twitter.com/Canbet2) .
Canbet ?@Canbet2 Aug 5
Canbet provided its customers with outstanding professional customer care services.
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Canbet ?@Canbet2 Jul 28
Canbet provided its customers with the best in online gaming and services.
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Canbet ?@Canbet2 Jul 24
Canbet provided its customers with the best odds, service and bonuses in the online gambling industry.
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Canbet ?@Canbet2 Jul 24
Canbet was established in 1995 and grew into a global gaming company.
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Some tweets from Jul this year. Is it normally that someone which declared as "clear" in all this fraud continue to promote book(as it still working normally) which is already over 20 months offline rather than do something useful?

Tweet from 28 Jul 2015:
"Canbet provided its customers with the best in online gaming and services."
I would like to put this "online gaming and services" directly in your @sshole , you f@cking lying b@stard. You can hide the truth, because anyone already know what kind of shit you are. You are just going down further with your hiding truth actions.
I am sorry for using this kind of words but I am totally mad at this moment.

[aand]

Am extremely glad I never gave my personal details to the person/people organising this Canbet action crusade.

That CrookBooks guy on Twitter really, really, really, really messed this one up by attacking others aside from Peter Lord and that Graeme guy. It was all going well when the focus was on PETER LORD.

So basically CrookBooks barked up the wrong tree and ruined the campaign, and he shut his mouth to avoid being sued by the Indians?

Why did he go after the Indian corporation? They were Indian shareholders in a company based in Melbourne which had a sportsbook in the UK. You can't accuse Delta of fraud. There's no proof of it, circumstantial or otherwise.

When and why did the focus switch to Delta? That switch screwed the whole thing up. And is it true that the CrookBooks guy is some ex-Canbet programmer called Peter as well?

[King_Suckerman]

Interesting first post.

Am extremely glad I never gave my personal details to the person/people organising this Canbet action crusade.

That CrookBooks guy on Twitter really, really, really, really messed this one up by attacking others aside from Peter Lord and that Graeme guy. It was all going well when the focus was on PETER LORD.

So basically CrookBooks barked up the wrong tree and ruined the campaign, and he shut his mouth to avoid being sued by the Indians?

Why did he go after the Indian corporation? They were Indian shareholders in a company based in Melbourne which had a sportsbook in the UK. You can't accuse Delta of fraud. There's no proof of it, circumstantial or otherwise.

When and why did the focus switch to Delta? That switch screwed the whole thing up. And is it true that the CrookBooks guy is some ex-Canbet programmer called Peter as well?

[King_Suckerman]

Anyone had a twitter account blocked?

[Optional]

Ages ago.

For following too many people then dropping them a few days later if they hadn't followed me back.

[King_Suckerman]

Mines been blocked today. Not sure why - how do you find out? I'm guessing it may be to do with Canbet related tweets.

[Optional]

Mines been blocked today. Not sure why - how do you find out? I'm guessing it may be to do with Canbet related tweets.

I dunno. But I'm surprised there isn't a link to give you more info when you try to log in.

[Hareeba!]

Mines been blocked today. Not sure why - how do you find out? I'm guessing it may be to do with Canbet related tweets.

I see that @CrookBooks hasn't suffered that fate yet.

[Namechanger]

Why so quiet in here nowadays ?

[Optional]

Why so quiet in here nowadays ?

I've heard Lord and his legal agents have been trying to bully people into silence...

[aand]

PL doesn't have a leg to stand on!

Even when he claims he didn't lose the money ("technical glitch"), it's on his record that it went bust under him. Now I read he's the GM of "Imperial Investments". If you were a customer of his, wouldn't you prefer to know this guy was in charge of a firm that lost millions? I sure would.

He was a director of Canbet, living in Wollongong mostly but basing it in the UK, it goes under and he thinks he's a victim? He's a moron for having such a long-distance business operation in the first place.

And then there's the question of him paying a man who protects pedophiles (Jeff Nourse) to hide his history with Canbet via copycat blogs.

Lol, an ex-coach of rugby league, who dealt with kids, paying a guy who protects child molesters for about a year (possibly more)? You can't make this up.

Has anyone made a list of all the convicted sex offenders Nourse does online reputation cleaning for? That's a bigger weapon for exposing Lord's immorality than what's already on record with Canbet, right?

[aand]

Are any of the action group leaders still around or can they be contacted? Anyone got their details?

I want to speak with them. They should restart this Canbet punters grievance thing.

[Krashman]

Are any of the action group leaders still around or can they be contacted? Anyone got their details?

I want to speak with them. They should restart this Canbet punters grievance thing.

They are in the process of having their asses sued off by Lord and Delta.

Why don't you go ahead and take over as leader?

[aand]

Who is being sued and how do you know?

[Namechanger]

How can they be sued for publicising the truth ?

[Hareeba!]

How can they be sued for publicising the truth ?

Some of the material I saw being published was defamatory and really appeared to lack substance.

Choosing to attack Delta in such a way was inviting trouble and was a serious strategic error imho.

Unfortunately those with the deepest pockets tend to come out on top when you get involved in legal stoushes.

[Optional]

Who is being sued and how do you know?

How can they be sued for publicising the truth ?

No one has told me about being sued. Just threatened.

[aand]

Some of the material I saw being published was defamatory and really appeared to lack substance.

Choosing to attack Delta in such a way was inviting trouble and was a serious strategic error imho.

Unfortunately those with the deepest pockets tend to come out on top when you get involved in legal stoushes.

What happened to the leaders exactly? And why did the directions suddenly change? I remember reading here that people were deliberately not focusing on Delta because they didn't believe Delta was bad, only Lord etc. Why the shift?

No one has told me about being sued. Just threatened.

Threatened how?

[Hareeba!]

So is this all dead and buried now?

Is there any ongoing action afoot to obtain justice?

[Fred87]

The subject died.
Bye bye money

[pajo1206]

Is anybody still alive here?

[aand]

Yes, I am here and am still interested in a justice campaign.

I say we ask the old leaders to come back or give us their information so we can continue.

Here's another idea: why don't we all chip in some money and do a big letterbox/poster drop in Wollongong? It can have Lord's photo on it and basically say if anyone knows where the money is. He did, after all, promise to tell us and he never did!

[aand]

Btw, anyone got CrookBooks or John Patterson's details? Read the old posts here and tweets.

I want to contact them, get this rolling again.

[aand]

Also, FFS, no one going after Delta this time. We have no indication they did anything wrong.

Lord, on the other hand, was, as a director, allowing the solicitation of customer deposits when other customers or even the same customers could not withdraw.

Is Lord's lawyer still the same guy? I say we send a message, get a company to letterbox parts of Wollongong with flyers asking where the money is. Lord has no proper explanation that he bothered to give to us. He blamed a glitch and promised to tell us, never happened.

We are perfectly entitled to do this. He doesn't have a leg to stand on in terms of people legitimately asking where money is after he promised to explain and did not. What is he going to sue for? People asking over what he promised to tell us?

Lord will crap his pants. He depends on people giving him money, whether through government grants or customers. If people realise a whole $800k - $ millions? went missing under his directorship, I doubt they will ever purchase a paper clip from him.

[lcasey]

Canbet

hi aand ,what i could never understand abut all this was how come we never seemed to get anyone reliable from Australia to put across our point of where the money went .Those of us in the UK were shafted by the Gambling Commission, and we were given a full stop here. The people who we supported in Australia to pursue our need to know if there was a chance of getting the money or indeed some justice all appeared to be following some personal crusade against Lord that had nothing what so ever to do with Canbet. I say this because it was all directed at Lord and stupidly against his family and their friends ,a great deal of the tweeting was totally character deforming and always risked losing support by a group which at the time was growing .So all in all i wonder whether we were being duped by Lords associates all along in our campaign for answers,or indeed just his business rivals

[Optional]

hi aand ,what i could never understand abut all this was how come we never seemed to get anyone reliable from Australia to put across our point of where the money went .Those of us in the UK were shafted by the Gambling Commission, and we were given a full stop here. The people who we supported in Australia to pursue our need to know if there was a chance of getting the money or indeed some justice all appeared to be following some personal crusade against Lord that had nothing what so ever to do with Canbet. I say this because it was all directed at Lord and stupidly against his family and their friends ,a great deal of the tweeting was totally character deforming and always risked losing support by a group which at the time was growing .So all in all i wonder whether we were being duped by Lords associates all along in our campaign for answers,or indeed just his business rivals

1) Shari put in a lot of personal time and effort visiting Canbet offices, dealing with authorities etc. In the end the authorities told her they could do no more. She was very reliable. I believe her last advice was that an Australian victim would need to launch a civil action if there was any hope of moving forward. No one stepped up to do that simple thing.

2) I agree and warned the 'organisers' about this multiple times. Even deleted posts where they tried posting personal contact details of old employers and associates here wanting people to harass them.

And the final nail in the coffin was the 'organisers' making demands that they would only help people who actively participated in their anti-Lord twitter and blog campaign.

I don't think there was any duping, just a hijacking by a person or two who was more concerned with exacting revenge than actually resolving the problem.



I doubt this is ever going anywhere now but I would say getting a local representative victim to obtain any sort of court order against Canbet or it's directors in Australia is still the only real option, if it is even possible.

[JayZ]

The difficulty was always that Canbet was a UK company with no assets, managed by Australians. I have not changed my view that action needed to be taken in the UK aimed at demonstrating negligent conduct sufficient enough to lift the corporate veil of Canbet and make the directors personally liable. Although if they had any sense they would by now have divested their own assets out of their direct ownership.

Not to say that action in Australia could not have been taken but on the civil side there would be a need to be a way of getting liability elsewhere than on a bankrupt company.

[shari91]

Optional - Thank you for paying attention and listening xo

The difficulty was always that Canbet was a UK company with no assets, managed by Australians. I have not changed my view that action needed to be taken in the UK aimed at demonstrating negligent conduct sufficient enough to lift the corporate veil of Canbet and make the directors personally liable. Although if they had any sense they would by now have divested their own assets out of their direct ownership.

Not to say that action in Australia could not have been taken but on the civil side there would be a need to be a way of getting liability elsewhere than on a bankrupt company.

The problem with action in the UK is that they have and had nothing in the UK. They're solely Aus based and always have been. You could sentence the directors in the UK to 30 years in prison but who is going to make them go?! They had a desk in one of those random rent a desk spots where you just pay $30 a month to get a UK address and if you're lucky a central receptionist who handles your biz along with the hair straightener one, the life insurance for Cabbage Patch dolls one and the "Eat Toast Crusts or Die" movement.

The directors of Canbet had no ties to the UK, no business dealings there, nothing. They were and still are based in the exact same spot. So like Optional said in a repeat of what I said last year which was a repeat of what ASIC told me: Unless a victim in Australia goes after them, there's nothing to be done as of now.

[JayZ]

There are ways of enforcing UK court judgements in Australia but I did indicate that the differing locations of the directors and company were the crux of the problem, so I think we are actually in agreement. to a large extent. The company as both of us have indicated had no assets, but it is the company that has the legal debt and responsibility, not its directors unless the veil can be lifted - not straight forward. Whether a UK company could have action taken against it in Australia looks to have the problem in reverse.

If there were any grounds for criminal proceedings then I imagine they would need to be initiated in Australia.

[lcasey]

The Australian Competition and Consumer Commission,where was this organisation when their darling aussie cheats owning Canbet were screwing everybody online...

[Hareeba!]

The Australian Competition and Consumer Commission,where was this organisation when their darling aussie cheats owning Canbet were screwing everybody online...

The ACCC and other government funded consumer protection agencies in Australia have a very poor record of showing the slightest interest in any wagering related complaint.

But in this case it really wasn't within their jurisdiction as Canbet was operating under a UK, rather than an Australian licence.

ASIC, on the other hand, might have shown some interest had they been alerted to it, as the company was registered in Australia.

[Optional]

ASIC, on the other hand, might have shown some interest had they been alerted to it, as the company was registered in Australia.

ASIC were contacted and did investigate.

ASIC told me: Unless a victim in Australia goes after them, there's nothing to be done as of now.