oh thats so good of you
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I know, you're such a charity case. I should get a deduction for the time I spend teaching you.. that exchanges don't have effectively infinite liquidity in every market.Comment -
again thanks mr twister
but i was waiting for all those Euros to come and rip me to pieces
roflmfao so full it aint you
come back bud when you have anything and i mean anything worthwhile to say because since the start of this thread i have yet to see any of your utterances mean squat
exposed mate thats what you are exposed, a liar, a twister, and a bully.
just dont like it do you when people dont roll over for you, get used to itComment -
Yeah, I hear the chorus of support for your position that exchanges have effectively infinite liquidity in all markets. Seriously, how dumb do you have to be to think that?
You haven't learned "Sit" or "Fetch" yet, so I'm certainly not shocked that you don't know "Roll over". Baby steps..Comment -
lol oh come on do better than that please mr twister
was not me looking for support now was it?
you are now struggling with your responses now that you have been exposed
and your latest twistings just prove it
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Oh shit lol, i don´t want to read all the wisdom that made this thread grow big...
isn´t it clear by now that Euro books do not care about watchdogs, their ratings or fairness in general?
There is no reason to stay at any of ém (yes i know..valuable for arbing or some weak lines..for a few days).
Afterwards those books are all horseshit.
The end, with love
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Time to get into the debate:
1. I'm the person the whole thing is about.
2. For the full "verdict": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EPJes2FeAY
3. I will not answer any "idiot" questions, will probably not answer many questions at all as the final word in this is not said yet. I might take it to court, at least investigate the possibilties but as I'm not an U.K. resident it is not that simple.
4. A mail asking for the possibilties to appeal on IBAS has been snet.
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Appealing to IBAS would be a waste of time, I think only one case has ever been overturned at appeal. Your only recourse is through the courts, but it would be costly, and quite possibly cost more than you'd get back *if* you won.Comment -
It is not expensive to take this to court.
It is a fairly easy process, can be done online, and will not require a Solicitor.
Itis not necessary to attend court (although it does improve chances of success). I doubt Tote would defend this though, more likely to settle out of court.Comment -
I agree they would be likely to settle.
If they don't however, then whether it's costly or not depends on whether the case is valid for the small claims court. Given it's a new area of law (Gaming Act only came in recently, and not sure it's been tested yet), if Totesport or the industry wanted to fight it then it would likely be appealed even if the small claims court did pass a judgment; hence it could get costly.
It's a case without substantial precedent -- lawyers get rich from them.Comment -
It is clearly a small claims court case, and cannot therefore be appealedComment -
That's not my understanding of the legislation.
"You may appeal against a judgment in the small claims track only if the court made a mistake in law".
Because of the lack of precedent and test cases, I believe any claim that the court misinterpreted the legislation would give grounds for an appeal.
Also:
I am not convinced that the courts would view the case as simple enough for this track, given it's an area of contract law that is new and still subject to interpretation. But time will tell, and I'd encourage the guy to go ahead, if only because I'm keen to see some precedent in regulating bookies through the courts.The most common types of claim in the small claims track are:
* compensation for faulty services provided, for example, by builders, dry cleaners, garages and so on
* compensation for faulty goods, for example, televisions or washing machines which go wrong
* disputes between landlords and tenants, for example, rent arrears or compensation for not doing repairs
* wages owed or money in lieu of notice.
If a case is complex, the judge may refer it to another track for a full hearing, even if it is below the financial limit of that track.
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Hi guys.
At last some interesting discussion. I'm afraid I see the same problems as the one stated. New legislation, risk for appeal due to no prejudicate (correct term in english?) which makes it possible for the industry to make this a long and costly process. So the question for me is if there is any lawfirm interesting in running it for PR-resons? This could be of interest for a lawfirm as a niche for new customers. My personal judgement is that the probabilty for a win is extremely high. the case is so simple and the facts so clear. And for clarity, my history with totesport: This was my first bet ever there.
As stated before totesport/IBAS are wrong in the following:
1. Changing the spread.
2. Assuming "contactabilty"/player infromed because they send an mail 2-3 hours before match start.
For me the proper way is of course voiding the bet and informing about the void and if they want proposal of a new bet with the new spread.Comment -
Sorry to see this didn't turn around for you Wea. In our observations IBAS subjectively decides what is "reasonable" conditions and ignores the rules unless the player breaks a rule. In this case they think it's reasonable that you would get email and reasonable that you would know the line was not correct. I can't think of a case for the player where they broke it down to the letter and referenced what the Ts&Cs dictate. As the main organization for big UK firms, I hope you are able to help show that their system needs work.Comment -
This is a simple contract dispute and is what the small claims court is set up to do.
The recent changes made betting contracts enforcable, that was pretty much the only relevant part of the legislation.
This claim is for less than 1000 pounds there is no way this would be allocated to another track.
Small claims courts cannot set precedent, any decision made in a small claims court can be ignored by any other judge at his discretionComment -
Anyone know about any lawfirm who has specialised in betting issus? I'm interested to know what would be the "best" firm to contact. Any ideas?
From my side they can take my lost money if the take and win the case... It was just ~120 £, ~200 $ US. 1500 SEK. It is just that I would like to see them lose the case as it stinks so much. The money is no issue for me, but it would feel so nice to see that they get some really bad publicity over a thing like this.
If a firm took the case they could represent my if needed in court, i.e. I would not need to go over there. But even that could possibly be arranged just in order to see them lose.Comment -
If you employ Solicitors it will cost more than your win.
If you take this to the small claims court you do not need to attend
If you still wish to employ a solicitor you will not need a specialist this a simple contract disputeComment -
See below, Tote have a history of backing down before small claims court
Totesport end up Saints not sinners in betting dispute-Talking Shop Racing Post - Tuesday 2nd December 2008
THE Totesport dispute over a mix-up between Northampton Saints rugby union team and Northampton Town FC involved odds of 20-1 being given about the Saints winning promotion, and 50-1 against them taking the title, the prices for the soccer team. However, the Saints had just been relegated from the Guinness Premiership, and were such a shoo-in that nobody was actually betting on it.
Chris O'Keeffe, chief executive of arbitration service Ibas, says the true odds, were there any, for the title alone would have been 1-20 - probably the most obvious palpable error of all time!
Yet it was only to small money - two tenner bets, and a £700 liability. After losing an Ibas decision, the punter took the case to a small claims court - as is now his right - and Totesport capitulated to avoid running up costs over something so trivial, but also the risk of case law being established where a judge might have felt the carelessness was all the Tote's fault, and there was no blame with, nor exploitation by, the punter.Comment -
Well done on IBAS
Having read the final ruling i now understand clearly why Tote would not pay out to such a person/chancer
The evidence is overwhelming as i fully expected it to be
After all the uninformed rantings on here maybe Tote should now occupy its rightful place as a A+ book now that it has been completely exonerated.
For all those that will now come on here and rant and moan and bitch and lie and bully and so on, you know who you, i wont bother to reply to each of your posts, all you need to do is read the next line to your expected comments
Totesport WON the ruling
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Well done on IBAS
Having read the final ruling i now understand clearly why Tote would not pay out to such a person/chancer
The evidence is overwhelming as i fully expected it to be
After all the uninformed rantings on here maybe Tote should now occupy its rightful place as a A+ book now that it has been completely exonerated.
For all those that will now come on here and rant and moan and bitch and lie and bully and so on, you know who you, i wont bother to reply to each of your posts, all you need to do is read the next line to your expected comments
Totesport WON the ruling
end of
Are you a "TROLL" ?Comment -
Yes, it was a shot, but the book should have either voided it, or adjusted the odds to match the outcome bet on, not adjusted the outcome bet on to match the odds.Comment -
Anyone who would give Totesport their business after what they did is INSANE.
There is NO JUSTIFICATION for a sportsbook to ever be allowed to change the terms of the wager after it is placed.
If the line offered is an obvious error, they have every right to cancel the wager as long as its done before the event begins. If a customer is routinely taking shots at them as did the bettor in question, they also have the right to ban the customer from betting with them in the future.
In this case, the bet should have been VOIDED once the customer did NOT respond to the original email. Totesport should have sent a 2nd email a few minutes before the event started saying the bet has been voided since the customer did not return the first email.
IBAS backing up what Totesport did makes them completely useless as well.Comment -
I certainly will continue to use them when they're best price (and sufficient volume) for something I want to bet. I won't bet obvious mistakes, but then I never did anyway.Comment
