Opinions on another dispute

pimike · 01-14-09, 01:53 AM

I would ask the player why he opened another account, did he have any intent on cheating someway?

If no bonuses involved either way then whats the problem, pay him he won

CS-Cedrick · 01-14-09, 01:55 AM

In some sportsbooks that issue would be solved by just transferring the funds to the very first account as that rule is real, you can only have one account. The first one is the official one since that's the one that has the older history, otherwise, if it din't have history the one with the 6k would be definitely the one decisive. That of course is taken care of case by case since sometimes the deposit method comes into the criteria to consider.

Justin7 · 01-14-09, 01:59 AM

Player claims he couldn't remember the password, and it's easier to create a new account than jump through hoops to get the old account info.

Data · 01-14-09, 01:59 AM

Originally posted by Justin7

The sportsbook's rules clearly state only 1 account per player.

The rule is unfair and clearly gives the book a free shot. If you change the rule to read "only 1 active account per player" then that will have both parties protected.

CS-Cedrick · 01-14-09, 02:04 AM

Actually sportsbook do that indeed, players are allowed to have only 1 active account, the others remain into their history for record purposes.

Scorpion · 01-14-09, 02:11 AM

Originally posted by Justin7

A player signs up at a sportsbook, deposits, $50, loses his balance, and doesn't play for a year.

Player creates a new account at the same sportsbook. The player did not receive a bonus with either account, or have his account restricted with either. On the second account, he turns a small deposit into 6k.

The sportsbook's rules clearly state only 1 account per player. The player clearly had 2 accounts. The book confiscates his winnings.

Fair or foul?

How can this be fair?
Its bullshit

What book is this?

tomcowley · 01-14-09, 02:11 AM

Obvious foul. There's no question they would have taken all the action regardless. Yet another reason to require books to do basic screening of signups if they want to make those claims on cashouts.

sickler · 01-14-09, 08:24 AM

If this isn't a hypothetical situation, name the book. With the first account inactive and no bonuses involved, confiscation of funds is thievery.

dd · 01-14-09, 09:11 AM

Hi,
Maybe the bookie is right.......
...but why they let the player to deposit.....???
why they let the player to play?
Why they do not informe the player.....:"helooooooo....this is your seccond account...so ,you are not allowed to do this....is not possible to deposit...."and so on....
why????

themajormt · 01-14-09, 09:15 AM

If there was no large bonus involved and the player just won and wasnt taking a shot then this is stealing funds. They took the action and waited until he won to say there is a problem. I could see if he got a 50% bonus and that helped him go on a streak but not just straight betting.

dd · 01-14-09, 09:19 AM

exactly.....if u lose the deposit of the seccond account is good for them.....if u win they return the deposit only or nothing..........so they never lose.

eachwayplease · 01-14-09, 09:34 AM

Do you think the sportsbook would have given the player his money back if he'd lost on the second account?

dd · 01-14-09, 09:45 AM

ooo....for sure not.......they have NO problem in this case.....
may be.....they give u back the deposit in case u win and ask for an withdrawal....

Peep · 01-14-09, 10:53 AM

Foul.

No intent of fraud on the player's part, no harm to the book.

They should pay him and not try and stiff on a technicality.

St.Aquinas · 01-14-09, 02:10 PM

This seems pretty cut and dry. As far as the book not picking it up...well, the player could have opened the account on another IP or something. The question would be, did the player try to hide the fact that he had another account by signing up with in proper information. If he didn't he should receive his money fair and square...

durito · 01-14-09, 02:14 PM

Completely foul. There is no intent at all.

Halifax · 01-14-09, 09:59 PM

Originally posted by Peep

Foul.

No intent of fraud on the player's part, no harm to the book.

They should pay him and not try and stiff on a technicality.

That about sums up my feelings, assuming everything is as described by Justin in the first post.

Unless the book can show us how the player intended on ripping them off / circumventing limits / bonus whoring / otherwise unfairly harming the book, then the book should pay.

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AK · 01-15-09, 12:03 AM

pay the man his money.

what ever book this is I hope they are downgraded

cobra_king · 01-15-09, 01:03 AM

Total theft if they don't pay.

Karla · 01-15-09, 02:48 AM

Originally posted by Justin7

A player signs up at a sportsbook, deposits, $50, loses his balance, and doesn't play for a year.

Player creates a new account at the same sportsbook. The player did not receive a bonus with either account, or have his account restricted with either. On the second account, he turns a small deposit into 6k.

The sportsbook's rules clearly state only 1 account per player. The player clearly had 2 accounts. The book confiscates his winnings.

Fair or foul?

For me it wasn't fair at all, in accordance to your statement, the customer didn't receive bonus with either of his accounts[Meaning, he did not fraud any bonuses] Thus, the only blunder he did was he opened two accts. I guess, that book has the right to close his another account but should not confiscate his winnings..

krk1030 · 01-15-09, 04:56 AM

Foul

The book has the right to only allow one account, but they have to call you on it right away, not when you beat them and want to get paid.

dd · 01-15-09, 06:12 AM

exactly......

themajormt · 01-15-09, 09:23 AM

Well I guess Justin got a good general consensus on this one huh? I dont think any of us really disagreed with anything that anyone said...

big joe 1212 · 01-15-09, 11:24 AM

I had this happen to me a couple of years ago. I had forgotten that I had an account there as I used it only once. When I went to cash out, they gave me some trouble, but I ended up getting paid. If their are no bonuses given, there should be no problems!

Casperwaits · 01-15-09, 11:43 AM

May I play devils advocate on this one? Yes I agree the person should get payed just for good kharma and business, but as someone who has used different books sparingly over time, and has forgotten my password, I knowingly DID NOT open up a new account because I KNEW what the consequences were. As far as it being a hassle to find out your forgotten password, well that is just laziness. Yes pay the guy, but he really doesn't have a reason to complain. He is at fault.

Arilou · 01-15-09, 02:48 PM

Common sense tells you that the player in question did nothing to violate fair play or the spirit of the rules either of the book or of gambling in general. Attempting to sieze winnings on the basis of such an issue is clearly bad faith. The book is telling me that if they have an excuse to not pay me then they won't pay me, which is unbecoming even a C-level enterprise.

headgames · 01-15-09, 05:31 PM

Even if the player had opened a second account to escape limits or take a second bonus (which would be wrong of course) then why wait until he's acquired 6k before taking action? Surely it wasn't 1 lucky bet!

As it is suggested he did not benefit by having a second account (in terms of bonuses or avoiding limits) then they are declaring themselves as a book happy to let a duplicate account player wager and wager so long as he doesn't expect to be paid out which is quite obviously wrong regardless of whether the player should have just asked for a password for his first account.

bigloser · 01-16-09, 03:26 PM

Justin if this is not yet resolved could you name the book please

curious · 01-16-09, 04:54 PM

Originally posted by Justin7

A player signs up at a sportsbook, deposits, $50, loses his balance, and doesn't play for a year.

Player creates a new account at the same sportsbook. The player did not receive a bonus with either account, or have his account restricted with either. On the second account, he turns a small deposit into 6k.

The sportsbook's rules clearly state only 1 account per player. The player clearly had 2 accounts. The book confiscates his winnings.

Fair or foul?

Perhaps the player forgot he had the first account. I did that, opened an account at a place, played a small amount, lost, didnt think about it again for a long time. Went to open an account at the same place, forgot I had the first account.

I just don't see that the player did anything nefarious here. An account with a $0 balance, had not been used for a year. What was the scam? I'll bet the player forgot he had the first account.

curious · 01-16-09, 04:56 PM

Originally posted by krk1030

Foul

The book has the right to only allow one account, but they have to call you on it right away, not when you beat them and want to get paid.

I tried to open an account at a place where I had opened an account a year before and forgot about it. The new account software recognized my email address and directed me to log into the first account instead.

curious · 01-16-09, 04:59 PM

Originally posted by Justin7

Player claims he couldn't remember the password, and it's easier to create a new account than jump through hoops to get the old account info.

Since the book had enough information to find the duplicate account when it came time to pay they should have used the same due diligence to look for a duplicate account (and the same information) when a player signs up. So, this is just an excuse to steal the player's funds.

Also, I am willing to bet that if the player had LOST $6,000 the book would not have had a problem with one active account and one inactive (and zero balance) account.

Justin7 · 01-16-09, 05:40 PM

This was resolved.