5dimes screw up at my expense attention sport bettors BEWARE!!

[Scooter]

Dan bouton has posted on another forum:

"I have now been banned from sbr for no reason! If anybody with sbr access can post on my thread that I got booted for no reason and can no longer respond to ?s I would appreciate it. It is a permimant ban, what a ***** joke!"

[HedgeHog]

Ray

Justin has openly stated on other forums that sbr dropped the ball on this one and that he was told to not speak publicly on this complaint. He said he sent bill Lou and Jon numerous emails stating he was not for their decision and why they should change their stance. All emails were dismissed and he was told to keep quiet. U can read all j7s posts yourself just go look for them on other forums! Out of respect he listened to bills directions but later resigned because he was being treated as an employee who has to do what is told rather then an independent who provided his true insight! He said this was the first time this has happened to him there and now obviously the last time!

As for what I wanted sbr to do, is for them to clearly state tony is in the wrong and should pay the money and maybe apologize! Then when he refuses, wich u think is the likely outcome, they then take further action. Possibly making a news bulletin and then downgrading the rating of the book. I don't understand why u think it's just a dead end when a book decides to act shady. That is what sbr does or is supposed to do, it guides current and future customers to good books and away from problematic books. This is not just about me getting paid, I felt that it was very unlikely that I see another dime but to expose these business practices. With sbr backing my claim I felt it would hold more weight.

If this continues to happen to other players, this should have been the red flag to tread carefully with 5d. Since it was ignored or even worse, pointed the finger at the player rather then the book, how will sbr handle another claim like this. Will they then pay the player from their pocket since they approved this type of theft or do they continue to justify this theft no matter what book does this?

This was Dan's last post--perhaps a Mod can explain why it got him the boot. What's next, banning all the posters burned by BI?

[Scooter]

This was Dan's last post--perhaps a Mod can explain why it got him the boot. What's next, banning all the posters burned by BI?

Sports forum at twoplustwo for this and the previous post:

Dan bouton - "I got a permanent bann from sbr today for no reason. I have not even been posting for a while. I then decided to post the article that was done on the 28th a few days back because it was a good summary of my story. I requested sbr to comment on j7s statements of them dropping the ball and silencing him. A poster (raydog) then asked me a ? Today. I responded to it and then I was banned permanently for no reason stated! What the heck, this is just a blatant cover up of my complaint. They r so shady it's sick! In my mind this only makes them look worse!"

[Dunderfisk]

I could not transfer points to you. Do you know why?

[sickler]

I could not transfer points to you. Do you know why?

If you mean Dan Bouton, it's probably because he's banned.

[Dunderfisk]

Here is the current rating list

Bookie 1, A-rated, great limits. No limiting. Fast payouts.
Bookie 2, A-rated. used rigged casino software until they got caught. Threatens players with physical violence.
Bookie 3, A-rated, Horrible odds.
Bookie 4, A-rated, Limits u to 3 dollars.
Bookie 5, A-rated, Limits u to 0. Then kicks you out.
Bookie 6, A-rated, Limits u to 8 dollars.
Bookie 7, A-rated, Doesn´t pay 2 million dollars they owe.
Bookie 8, B-rated, kicks you out after 18 hours betting.
Bookie 9, B-rated, steals all ur money.

All these wholesalers of shoes are A-rated.
You need that the wholesaler delivers 150 pairs a week.

Wholesaler 1, can only deliver one pair a week, great balance sheet. A-rated.
Wholesaler 2, doesn´t deliver at all. Steals ur money, B-rated.
Wholesaler 3, sells defective shoes, doesnt deliver shoes u have paid for, threatens you with physical violence. A-rated.
Wholesaler 4, delivers up to 200, complaints managed fast, delivers promptly. A-rated.

[Dunderfisk]

I cannot award points to mcduggly, housenuts, themoneyshot, hedgehog, cutler2225 and kindred.

Seems SBR has made sure these guys cannot receive points, or maybe that they cannot receive points in this thread.

I was able to award points to sharpcicle.

[raydog]

dunder, if you are non-pro, i think you can only give away 2 pts. a day or something like that...

sucks dan got banned, but he wasnt doing anything but being an annoyance and starting stupid shit at other forums too...i dunno why he couldnt get it in his head that sbr couldnt do anything to help him...if i had to take a guess, a few pages back he mentioned legal action and that could have been what got him banned...i know that is a no no here... blaming them for shit that was out of their control was the wrong way to go too... good luck to him

[louis]

Tony needs to be responsible for his software rather than blaming customers. It is not the customers responsibility to know what is an error and what is not. It is the sportsbooks responsibility to make sure the correct odds are posted. Also physically threatening anyone, even if they owe you money, is wrong. This player does not have to be paid because of the obvious error rules, but he did nothing wrong either.

[pjesnik24]

why was dan banned?

[cutter2225]

Because SBR took the cowards way out...A frequent occurrence these days.

[Alluvada143]

I thought this is gonna happen to Dan one day with SBR ... Can't help

[pjesnik24]

anything new here?

[Spektre]

You state facts not in evidence.

I certainly would not deposit at 5Dimes or an SBR sponsored book again after reading this thread.

You can whine, cry, and stomp your feet all that you want but it makes no difference. For people that actually play at 5Dimes, they could care less what happens in this case. No one is going to stop depositing there. The people stating otherwise, had no intent in ever playing at 5Dimes.

[GoDeViLs]

LOL at banning op. LOL at sbr being a fair arbiter in book/punter disputes. LOL at SBR for not addressing J7's statement. LOL at SBR thinking that anybody with half a brain cannot see what is going on. LOL.

[SportsMushroom]

wont let this thread die

first they silence justin7, then they ban the op, lets see how long it takes them to lock/delete this thread

[necro]

You should avoid avoid 5Dimes

Just bet at fair books which they have capable customer help

and not a bunch of morons leaded by some low life thug

[ChicagoBlackhawk]

Tried 5 dimes poker room out. After realizing how high the rake is...called to inquire.
Was put on hold for 5 minutes with no return....hung up on twice, and hounded for account info the next time......all for a simple question

Now if it is such a simple question, answer me why they could not and would not answer this. The only answer they would repeat is it is a 3rd party software.....If you guys put your name on the software, dont you think you can answer a simple question about how you make money?

Stay away from these crooks. the customer service department is the biggest joke in the industry. bunch of children answering calls.

[BranchDavidian]

dunder, if you are non-pro, i think you can only give away 2 pts. a day or something like that...

sucks dan got banned, but he wasnt doing anything but being an annoyance and starting stupid shit at other forums too...i dunno why he couldnt get it in his head that sbr couldnt do anything to help him...if i had to take a guess, a few pages back he mentioned legal action and that could have been what got him banned...i know that is a no no here... blaming them for shit that was out of their control was the wrong way to go too... good luck to him

The guy rightly feels that he got ripped off. Whether SBR can help him or not, the concept of free speech means nothing to you? I suppose you have no problem with all the other posters that have been banned recently, either? It does not merely "suck" that anybody that voices an opinion that SBR doesn't like gets silenced. It just makes this site more worthless each time this happens.

[orisbumplut]

5dimes is probably one of the fairest books out there. I have had a few issues over the years with them and they bent over backwards even when they didn't have to, to make things right.

One thing I will say is they don't take kindly when guys like BTJ go on a unjustified smear campaign against them. BTJ is very entertaining and all but he deserved exactly what he got from 5dimes when they refused to reinstate his account.

[raydog]

The guy rightly feels that he got ripped off. Whether SBR can help him or not, the concept of free speech means nothing to you? I suppose you have no problem with all the other posters that have been banned recently, either? It does not merely "suck" that anybody that voices an opinion that SBR doesn't like gets silenced. It just makes this site more worthless each time this happens.

if you read all of that post, i stated that i believe dan threatened some sort of legal action as stupid as that is, no forum puts up with that...none... and i imagine thats why him, as well as fukking morons like dark horse got banned... if you want my honest opinion, almost all the guys who have been banned lately, deserved it...you arent going to be able to get away with shit talking mods (who had absolutely nothing to do with anything regarding the BI case) and get very personal with them and expect to get away with it... you have seen the childs play at e o g and you know exactly who and what im talking about...

[pjesnik24]

if you read all of that post, i stated that i believe dan threatened some sort of legal action as stupid as that is, no forum puts up with that...none... and i imagine thats why him, as well as fukking morons like dark horse got banned... if you want my honest opinion, almost all the guys who have been banned lately, deserved it...you arent going to be able to get away with shit talking mods (who had absolutely nothing to do with anything regarding the BI case) and get very personal with them and expect to get away with it... you have seen the childs play at e o g and you know exactly who and what im talking about...

you are so funny, if anything here was discussed hundreds of times it was "legal action" against anything or anybody

[raydog]

you are so funny, if anything here was discussed hundreds of times it was "legal action" against anything or anybody

in english next time... have at it buddy...start saying you will sue them or contact the feds or some other stupid shit and see how fast your ass banned... like i care

its happened before, thats why i said it was a guess as to why he is gone.

[Romocide]

wow. just wow.

[Jonah]

bet at sh*t books, get sh*t on your hands.

[Spektre]

Sounds like one to steer clear of.

[secret007]

interesting thread to read.. was considering putting money with 5Dimes for a couple of years but always heard "bad" review about Tony and this thread makes me worry even more.

[teaz2win]

I guess I am the only one that was told if it seems to good to be true It ALMOST ALWAYS IS!!! .57 cents to win 7k. Noone in there right mind could have thought that was right. At the same time we cant see all that went on from SBR or the Book and this customer. I bet though it would have been worth the read

[bruins35]

left 5 dimes over a year ago because of how tony talked to me.Would never trust this clown outfit with large sums of money.

[Kermit]

Tony on spotting bad lines

That’s when a sportsbook’s rules and guidelines come into play, and when that happens, you know there is going to be trouble. Some of these disputes can become very complicated and complex. What’s most unfortunate about them is that they are easily avoidable.

So, what should you do if you spot a bad line?

The best option is to call the sportsbook and ask if the line is accurate. If it is, then there’s no harm done. Go ahead and make your bet as you planned.

If the line is a mistake, the sportsbook will likely thank you for pointing out the error and will try to show their appreciation in some way.

“We generally offer a vig-free play on any offering of [the player's] choice for up to the house limit on that option,” Williams said. “That filters out all the people who have no funds in their account.”

5Dimes used to offer free plays until players started taking advantage of it.
“When offering ‘free plays’ or ‘handouts’ you run into an issue where countless times a day you have customers pointing out everything they can possibly find in order to try to get something,” Williams said. “We ran into people whose sole funding of their account was through scouring our site all day for line errors, and far more than half the time there was.”
Williams said a player who hits a bad line once or twice is understandable. Sometimes players, particularly those that are new or uninformed, will place a wager on a bad line unknowingly.
It’s the ones who make a habit out of the practice that Williams chooses not to bother with.
“When most all of your plays are on ‘mistakes,’ I take action,” Williams said. “Making a habit out of hitting bad lines just gets notes in your account, reduced juice or bonuses taken away. And limits cut.
“Or the boot.”

Isn't this exactly what this Dan person did?

[Keith Richard]

Hey... didn't there used to be a band a long time ago called "Tony Williams Lifetime" ?

[BranchDavidian]

Tony on spotting bad lines

That’s when a sportsbook’s rules and guidelines come into play, and when that happens, you know there is going to be trouble. Some of these disputes can become very complicated and complex. What’s most unfortunate about them is that they are easily avoidable.

So, what should you do if you spot a bad line?

The best option is to call the sportsbook and ask if the line is accurate. If it is, then there’s no harm done. Go ahead and make your bet as you planned.

If the line is a mistake, the sportsbook will likely thank you for pointing out the error and will try to show their appreciation in some way.

“We generally offer a vig-free play on any offering of [the player's] choice for up to the house limit on that option,” Williams said. “That filters out all the people who have no funds in their account.”

5Dimes used to offer free plays until players started taking advantage of it.
“When offering ‘free plays’ or ‘handouts’ you run into an issue where countless times a day you have customers pointing out everything they can possibly find in order to try to get something,” Williams said. “We ran into people whose sole funding of their account was through scouring our site all day for line errors, and far more than half the time there was.”
Williams said a player who hits a bad line once or twice is understandable. Sometimes players, particularly those that are new or uninformed, will place a wager on a bad line unknowingly.
It’s the ones who make a habit out of the practice that Williams chooses not to bother with.
“When most all of your plays are on ‘mistakes,’ I take action,” Williams said. “Making a habit out of hitting bad lines just gets notes in your account, reduced juice or bonuses taken away. And limits cut.
“Or the boot.”

Isn't this exactly what this Dan person did?

Yes, that is exactly what that Dan person did.

[SBR Forum]

LOL at banning op. LOL at sbr being a fair arbiter in book/punter disputes. LOL at SBR for not addressing J7's statement. LOL at SBR thinking that anybody with half a brain cannot see what is going on. LOL.

When you threaten the site staff and their family members, that usually happens. I understand it's more fun to believe in the other stuff.

[hanco21]

Like I said in the post before I'm not implying you are a thief. Maybe you would have bet something on some of those subsequent plays but not the initial ones. Now, had you lost all those subsequent plays it didn't cost you a deposit because it was found money. Maybe you only bet 57 cents on the play because it paid 7000-1? Maybe you lucked out by the clerk giving you the answer you needed to better make the case had you won. Ultimately intention doesn't matter.

Whatever you thought initially aside, you were paid 10x too much on a bet for your last 57 cents. You now undoubtedly know you were paid 10x too much....1000% of what you should have been paid had they readjusted the payout for the obvious mistake rule.

Maybe the line was an error, ok why doesnt he just adjust the line and pay the correct amount. My point is Tony would of pocketed the wager if it lost. And is it really necessary for someone to threaten someone. All these sportsbook pull this crap and wait till the wager is over before making a decision. Take care of it before the wager starts and all is good.

[Kermit]

Maybe the line was an error, ok why doesnt he just adjust the line and pay the correct amount. My point is Tony would of pocketed the wager if it lost. And is it really necessary for someone to threaten someone. All these sportsbook pull this crap and wait till the wager is over before making a decision. Take care of it before the wager starts and all is good.

Exactly. If the bet had lost Tony Toni Tone would have used that 57 cents to buy a bag of Cheetos from the vending machine and not gave 2 shits about old Dan. Regardless if the people working for Tony are retarded or not, they still do work for him and gave bad information to a patron of their book, which in turn benefited that patron.

The book is at fault, not the customer.

And who knows? Maybe they purposely did this trying to reel him in and it didn't go their way. Were all of the pleaser odds off that day? Or just this one case?