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This one is a tough one.
To me, it depends a lot on this guys normal habits.
if he routinely bet $1000-$5000 per game and then hit this ridiculous pleaser and kept doing so, I think he should be paid in full minus the mispriced pleaser. He called and asked and likely would have reupped and made his normal bets without the pleaser.
On the other hand if he routinely bet $100 or something like that, hit this pleaser and then started betting thousands, I would not pay him a cent as his own money was never really at risk.
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Ive heard rumors that the case may be being re evaluated and discussed privately. Can u please confirm or deny if there is any truth to that?Comment -
It's on another thread in sbr forum. Justin7 replies to hedgehogs post saying that he is discussing this issue privately. Hh would have to say wich thread he says this in I don't remember.Comment -
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Probably getting close to time to take matters into your own hands Dan.
I'd give it another week at most if no one comes back to say please keep waiting, then start firing missiles..Comment -
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thats about where I'm at with this! I definitely do not consider this my last option. It was my first and most logical and friendly option but definitely not my last. I hope to leave the case in sbr's hands for them to really review and explain to me personally what should happen and why. I think a week is a fair amount of time to give for at least some kind of feedback! As for bill, I will try a pm and see if he gets back to me
Who is sbr John? Has he commented on this at all? I've heard of him but I have not seen a post from him unless he goes by another screen name. Has anyone seen him speak on this yet anywhere? If so what's his take and where can I find his input?Comment -
Somewhat off-topic, but could you post a screenshot of your account balance? I'm new to gambling and haven't seen such a massive balance. It'll give me something to aspire to.
And sorry about your problems with 5Dimes. Hope that shit gets resolved.Comment -
Balances are nothing to get excited about if they don't get paid!! I could post a 100$ balance that got paid, now that's something to get excited about!
Dont aspire to build up a massive balance that does not get paid, it's not a lot of fun! I'll try to post it but I have trouble posting screen shots cuz I have no idea how to or I probly would Of posted a lot of stuff I have from my acct! If u shoot me ur email thru pm I can send it to u for sure.
32,563.09 that's what it was but Im having trouble posting itLast edited by SBR Jonelyn; 01-15-15, 12:18 PM.Comment -
You can upload any pics you want to post to http://tinypic.com/ then just give us the URL it gives you. Make sure you remove any private info (account numbers etc) first though.Comment -
Thanks as soon as I got some time I'll put some stuff upComment -
It would be better if 5D would release your entire betting record for all to see. Likewise, 5D should have copies of your phone conversations with them--doubt that'll ever get released either (next time do live chat and email yourself a copy of the conversation). 5D has labeled you a cheat but won't provide any evidence.
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Yea, I'm gonna hold off on posting what I got because it may throw people off more then explain what I would like it to. I think the whole wager log would tell the whole story, I just have bits and pieces from right when I opened the acct. I was logging this prior to receiving payments but then stopped cuz I felt comfortable with the book and did not think I would run into problems. Do u think I should personally contact tony and ask for the release of my logs. I have been asking sbr but never asked tony, maybe he has some liability to release this on my request! May be worth a try!Comment -
Dan, you seem like a reasonable guy. Why you think Tony would even talk to you at this point (other than to tell you to go fukk yourself) is beyond me.
Send a PM to Dozer or Justin and ask them if this complaint is officially dead. If it is, you're done in this thread, time to go down other avenues if that's what you want to do.Comment -
Does anybody know anything about the osga and of they would be able to help me with this case? Can they at least do investigations and reports or do they not handle this type of stuff. To my understanding they are similar to sbr or am I wrong?Comment -
It's a long read but your question will be answered here:
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I have tried to pm Justin,Lou,and bill. Lou and bill did not respond and Justin simply said I have to ask the person in charge of my case if it's still open. I followed up with Justin's post regarding to my case where he stated it was being dealt with privately. He responded by asking me what my affiliate was to some guy i,be never heard of. I told him I don't know the person he named and he never got back to me, it's been 2 days now! After he asked me about this guy I stated I was open to answer any and all questions he had for me, but he has not replied. Oh yea, I also thought this person he mentioned was maybe u or another person who contacted me via email, but he said it was not and that was it. I am wondering who this person is now, and why he asked me about him but I don't want to bug the guy as he seems to be my last outlet here. I figured if he was asking a question, that was a start and showed me he may be looking into things but I'm not really holding my breath. As for sbr John, who is he and what's his screen name so I can try him! Has he commented on this thread yet?
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I was browsing and found this quote from you I wanted to address.
We also agree, if you book it and funds are at risk, you pay it and can't retroactively erase account activity. If at any point the player stands to lose it has to count. A bet is a bet. Letting it go on for days or weeks doesn't change that.
I really wish u would personally speak to me so I can understand your take on my case
"Dan, You have $11,000 in your pocket because someone made a mistake and added an extra zero."
Or, am I out $ 32563.09 because somebody added an extra 0!! That's how I see it along with many other.Last edited by Dan bouton; 12-13-12, 10:16 AM.Comment -
It is interesting philosphy to assume that if the professional sportsbook with all its controlling institutions cannot run their business in a correct manner, making fatal mistakes in process then by default player is the quilty party. (How convieniant! Let's blame it all on customers!) It is by default players fault, not that bookie here should take any responcabilities for their own mistakes. It is OK for a sportsbook owner to openly curse it's clients threttening to hunt them down. Maybe player knew that it was mistake, maybe he did not! Maybe he is just a beginner , maybe he is dumb! First rule in business- do not ever accuse customers, especially for your own f... ups! To wrap it up :
Did the player make mistake ? No he did not. Sportsbook made mistake and the Tony is the one who should look into a mirror here!Last edited by SportsMozart; 12-13-12, 10:38 AM.Comment -
SBR mafia has no comments. other than to quickly enter this thread and insult or discredit Dan and then leave thread permanently.
Player Advocate SBR doing work folksComment -
WagerWeb sportsbook update post 34 the link is already posted above in rumbles post #547Comment -
Any update SBR or this "officially" a 5D stiff job?Comment -
This thread is a disgrace to 5D and SBR.
I said earlier that Tony does not have a history of acting like a thief.
I'll never be able to say that again.
Totally unfair treatment of the player by SBR too.
Does no one at SBR have the decency to show this person the slightest bit of respect and speak to him about his claim? Bill's fob off post was just rude and factually stupid.
It's not really that you guys are too scared of losing 5D ad money is it? I always thought those people saying that were nit wits too.
I'm so disappointed in both 5D and SBR. Thought much higher of both before this one..Comment -
Totally agree. Add to this the Moore Games threads that Adrianna and baroneq started. Adrianna filed a complaint close to a month ago, and has been ignored since. I think baroneq gave up trying to get a response and left. Adrianna has asked in her thread several times if anybody would respond to her complaint, the last time a few days ago, but even tho two mods made comments in her thread ( it was Justin7 that advised her to file the complaint), she, along with baroneq, has been ignored. Another thread by Bitsorin pointed out that SBR's reviews have some incorrect information. Mods posted in his thread but failed to address the issue of false info residing in the reviews. He keeps asking SBR to address this issue, but again, the mods in his thread talk about other issues that the one brought up by the OP, and then ignore Bitsorin. WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO SBR?Last edited by BranchDavidian; 12-16-12, 10:14 PM.Comment -
Dan, what was the guys name J7 was asking if you were affiliated with? Did it start with a C by chance?Comment -
No the initials are j w.I looked the guy up on the net and if I got the right guy he is from Illinois and seems to have a bit of a shady record. J7 never got back to me as why he asked about this guy. In fact nobody got back to me about anything at all. I still encourage sbr and 5d to release all my records to this thread in regards to my case.Comment -
This case is not active at SBR. I'll offer a few thoughts.
If the book mistakenly deposited $400 into an account that had $40, the account would have $440. If the player logged in and genuinely could not remember his balance, found his balance to be $440 and ran that up to $4,400; How much should he be paid? He did nothing improper. He simply bet what was offered.
In a case like that or similar I would hope a mediator would at a minimum give the player credit for his percentage of winnings. In the above example 10% of the bankroll belonged to the player, free of any errors, 90% was the books money. In the above example I would award 10% of the $4,400 figure to the player.
Lets test the other side:
If the player had $40 in his account and the book mistakenly deposited $400 so again his balance is at $440. And again the player finds his account balance and plays but this time losses it all. Does he owe the sportsbook $400? He only had $40 of his own money. Of course not, he only had $40.
In both examples its not the player's money, he can neither profit or lose from the mistaken deposit.
In this case to rule outside of the parameters in the examples above you have to say there was no material mistake with the odds or perhaps there was a mistake but the book did not catch it in a reasonable fashion or some other scenario which grants the player the money free and clear.
I haven't seen the details of this case so I purposely did not use any numbers, names or scenarios stated in this thread. There could be exceptions. If the same dispute came in front of me and the player proved he did not actually bet the sportsbook's portion, so using the example above he started his roll with a bet of $40 or less and did not dip into the sportsbook's portion of the bankroll I would consider that obviously highly material and award the player the full balance. Not sure what the details were here but that's what would have happened if the case was mine.Comment -
That seems in line with what just about everyone (everyone?) but Bill and Lou have been posting John.
But only 5D have enough information to make the correct decision.
He ended up with a balance about 3 times more than his inital deposit. So I'd be thinking about 1/3 of the gross is the minimum he deserves. And that's if you completely ignore that he tried to tell 5D about the problem twice, and made 800+ bets afterward.
There's at least an argument to be made he deserves all but the 3k overpayment too I think.Last edited by Optional; 12-17-12, 06:59 AM..Comment
... that was an unexpected nap...expect even more rumors of quez juicing now 
