how do books define pro/recreational bettors?

[pokernut]

does a pro just bet large amounts on one game?

does a recreational bet small amounts on numerous games?

just looking for opinions/thoughts.

thanks

[vanman]

For me a pro gambler is someone who does it for a living,a recreational better is someone who has a few small bets a week for a bit of fun.

[HeeeHAWWWW]

Simple definition:


Pro = winner, to be limited or booted
Recreational = doesn't care about value, loses money long-term as a result.


What varies between books is how they define a winner, over what time scale etc. Some will boot you if you win after a short period. Some boot you if you beat the closing line (easily automated way of checking).

[jjgold]

Hard to say what a recreational gambler is, maybe one that is not a compulsive gambler.

[THEGREAT30]

Simple definition:


Pro = winner, to be limited or booted
Recreational = doesn't care about value, loses money long-term as a result.


What varies between books is how they define a winner, over what time scale etc. Some will boot you if you win after a short period. Some boot you if you beat the closing line (easily automated way of checking).

True, basically a winner and a loser.

[themajormt]

Simple definition:


Pro = winner, to be limited or booted
Recreational = doesn't care about value, loses money long-term as a result.


What varies between books is how they define a winner, over what time scale etc. Some will boot you if you win after a short period. Some boot you if you beat the closing line (easily automated way of checking).

When you say "beat the closing line" do you mean that you took team X -5 and it closed at -6.5??

[moonbeam]

Most books who are limited or booted you are not interested if you win or lose.

Thats a fact. The only advice is:

Play carefully

[Mudcat]

Hmmm. I can't agree with moonbeam's comment. The few times I have been limited, it appeared to be all about winning.

That has also been the vibe I have gotten from other players I talk to.

I don't know if moonbeam is alluding to steam play. That wouldn't apply to myself or the players I am talking about.

[HeeeHAWWWW]

Steamplay will mean you win longterm.

Ultimately it's all about common sense: books want customers that will lose, because they're profitable. They don't want winning players, because they're unprofitable.

The question is merely how they predict your future win/loss likelihood from your past betting patterns. Some will boot all those who are in net profit so far. This is stupid, because a large % of those will just have been lucky. Smarter books will distinguish the lucky from the good, and limit/boot only the latter.

[Mark Shark]

When you bet steam, when the line is moving books hate it. Every book I have ever been restricted with say it is because I bet steam or they imply I do. They dont want that action so they get rid of you.

[moonbeam]

Hmmm. I can't agree with moonbeam's comment. The few times I have been limited, it appeared to be all about winning.

That has also been the vibe I have gotten from other players I talk to.

I don't know if moonbeam is alluding to steam play. That wouldn't apply to myself or the players I am talking about.

Mudcat, I don´t even know what a steam play is.

Bet365 limited me after 3 month. I have a total loss of roundabout 15.000 Euro there in 3 month. Similar happens with stanjames.

Well I guess nobody really knows what inspire a book to limit you. I guess most of the time, they think you play too much and to large amounts.

[katstale]

With BOL it can be as simple as win 4 bets in a row. Then they accuse you of being a "wise guy". These clowns are so clueless they make Tony look like he has class.

[juzgotlucky]

i think they can determine it on how you play or the way you play and deposit. maybe they track down those who always win or bet nicely.

[kiwi]

i think they can determine it on how you play

They see if you always get odds that later drop. If they notice that, many books limit you even before you start winning.

[Thremp]

Most managers are idiots.