Olympique Lyon - Real Madrid. Who u will take and why?

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  • blackf1re
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    • 01-31-10
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    #36
    Your last sentence confuses me. Playing Schweinsteiger as Spielmacher is exactly the problem. Cause that is exactly what he is not.

    Gustavo angry after being shifted to LB at half time: http://www.tz-online.de/sport/fussba...t-1093610.html

    Two interesting quotes from van Gaal:

    "Luiz Gustavo wird bis auf weiteres links hinten spielen. „Ich weiß, ihm ist Mittelfeld lieber, aber da wird er es schwer haben“, meint der Trainer, „er hat in Hoffenheim verteidigend und allein gespielt, wir spielen mit einer Doppel-6. Wir müssten für ihn unser System ändern.“

    Gegen Kaiserslautern hatte van Gaal den Neuzugang zunächst im Zentrum getestet, „aber da habe ich gesehen, es geht nicht so schnell mit der Umstellung. Er könnte da spielen, wenn er einen Mann des Gegners ausschalten soll, aber das ist bei mir nicht der Fall.“ Schon beim Einstellungsgespräch habe er dem 23-Jährigen erklärt, dass er im Mittelfeld große Konkurrenz habe. „Aber ich sage nicht, dass er es nicht schafft.“ Er muss sich halt durchboxen."

    "Er hat bisher jedes Spiel gespielt, obwohl ich ihm vor dem Transfer gesagt habe, dass er kein Stammspieler wird. Also denke ich, dass er zufrieden ist. Ich weiß, dass er sich im Mittelfeld wohler fühlt. Aber seine Chancen zu spielen, sind auf der linken Verteidigerposition und in der Innenverteidigung größer. Im Mittelfeld haben wir, wenn alle fit sind: Schweinsteiger, Kroos, Pranjic, Ottl und Timoschtschuk. Da nutze ich Gustavo lieber in der Verteidigung. Das habe ich ihm auch vor dem Wechsel erklärt."

    I can translate if you want but basically he's saying that Gustavo is probably not gonna be a regular starter and he doesn't want to change his system to a single DM (the way Hoffenheim played) and they also have enough midfielders. So his best chances for playing are as center or left back although Gustavo himself would rather play in midfield.

    Seems to me van Gaal doesn't even really want Gustavo. I don't even know why you're making such a big deal out of this. I mean why should a DM be happy playing LB? I'd be angry as well. But he's a professional so he will play any position as he states in this article: http://www.tz-online.de/sport/fussba...t-1098986.html
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    • RbN
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      • 03-02-10
      • 1514

      #37
      Does not say anywhere that Luiz Gustavo is angry at Van Gaal about playing as left defender. Why don't you give me another source? Now your talking about being happy, thats not the point that we did discuss, you said he is ANGRY at Van Gaal. Please show me a link where he say he is angry?? Or you can't so thats why you come up with some shitty story? Too bad I understand german also.

      Luiz Gustavo is bought because he is multifunctional. You did not even know Luiz Gustavo is formed as a left Defender . Enough said, not going to respond on ur silly story again.
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      • latinrus
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        • 08-01-10
        • 11188

        #38
        Originally posted by latinrus
        C'mon guys I wanna hear ur opinions!

        Who u will be backing?

        I'm really planning to have 3x on Madrid ML and maybe 1x on Madrid -1!

        I think the team is ready to get a win in France.

        Can Olympique get the job done against Madrid?

        For those who think I'm just a Madrid fan that's wrong I don't back my team every game! But for this one I feel confident.

        Also please don't wanna see BS in this thread just normal discussion!

        DO I need to write that with bigger letters?

        the question was Lyon - Madrid, which team and why?
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        • Mexes
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          • 11-27-09
          • 691

          #39
          1-1.. and real will advance easily, thanks to mourinho
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          • Kraghen
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            • 07-08-10
            • 2509

            #40
            Lyon is not a bad team, especially at Stade Gerland. The fact that Lissandro Lopez isn't playin' is a big problem for Lyon though. But Individual player can score a goal too. Gonalon, Pied were not popular player but they scored goal in CL before, nobody expected them to score anything, so the danger can come from any Lyon player, while everyone know that every Madrid player are dangerous. The fact that Xavi Alonso is playing is not a good new for Lyon as I can't see any player passing through him.... maybe a draw
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            • Glada Tartan
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              • 08-06-09
              • 2820

              #41
              1-1, 0-1 or 0-0 !!
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              • makman
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                • 10-31-10
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                #42
                odds are low for Real Madrid double chance, and Real Madrid DNB, i think they dont worth !!!

                Under 2.5 is risky It can easily go over as , because the score will not depend on only Mourinho's tactic. Lyon is not Espanyol

                Best plays are Lyon(DNB) or R Madrid (-1)
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                • Nard Dog
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                  • 05-18-10
                  • 315

                  #43
                  Real just can't win at Lyon. Can't. Just like they can't beat Barca.
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                  • latinrus
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                    • 08-01-10
                    • 11188

                    #44
                    Originally posted by Nard Dog
                    Real just can't win at Lyon. Can't. Just like they can't beat Barca.
                    There's always a first time! I think tomorrow will be the day! Madrid know that to advance the best result will be a win in Lyon!

                    As I said I going to be on Madrid! But this is gambling so good luck for those on Lyon!
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                    • RubberKettle
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                      • 12-28-09
                      • 6421

                      #45
                      Lyon Recent History

                      1st Knockout Round (1st Leg)

                      2009-2010 Lyon 1 - Real Madrid 0
                      2008-2009 Lyon 1 - Barcelona 1
                      2007-2008 Lyon 1 - Manchester United 1
                      2006-2007 Roma 0 - Lyon 0
                      2005-2006 PSV 0 - Lyon 1
                      2004-2005 Werder Bremen 0 - Lyon 3
                      2003-2004 Real Soceidad 0 - Lyon 1
                      2002-2003 Format Change Year

                      I'm noticing a trend
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                      • zlate22
                        SBR Wise Guy
                        • 01-15-10
                        • 511

                        #46
                        i think is under and i will try small bet on draw
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                        • Ruifgalmeida
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                          • 04-23-08
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                          #47
                          I dont like to bet on draws, but this game as draw all writ in , real will settle for a draw away and for lyon not a bad result too.
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                          • Kraghen
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                            • 07-08-10
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                            #48
                            Lyon is motivated to play against big teams like Real, Barça and co.
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                            • Smogs
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                              • 12-31-08
                              • 4173

                              #49
                              My two cents:

                              Everytime Madrid go to Lyon, they fail to win (as far back as i can remember) and everytime they go there they draw plenty of public money.

                              Lyon always pull it out of the bag at home for at least a draw and even domestically Madrid don't look themselves on the road.
                              Lyon look the vale pick but these games always have goals in them so the over and 2-2 or 2-1 Lyon!
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                              • RubberKettle
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                                • 12-28-09
                                • 6421

                                #50
                                Past Meetings:
                                10/03/2010 Real Madrid 1 - Lyon 1
                                16/02/2010 Lyon 1 - Real Madrid 0
                                21/11/2006 Real Madrid 2 - Lyon 2
                                13/09/2006 Lyon 2 - Real Madrid 0
                                23/11/2005 Real Madrid 1 - Lyon 1
                                13/09/2005 Lyon 3 - Real Madrid 0

                                Lyon
                                Overall Form: WDLWDDWDWD
                                Under/Over 2.5: 4-6
                                Clean Sheets: 3
                                Not Scored: 1
                                Scored First: 6
                                Goal Score Rate Overall: Every 50 minutes
                                Goal Score Rate Home: Every 54 minutes

                                Real Madrid

                                Overall Form: WWLWDWWWWW
                                Under/Over 2.5: 5-5
                                Clean Sheets: 5
                                Not Scored: 1
                                Scored First: 7
                                Goal Score Rate Overall: Every 39 minutes
                                Goal Score Rate Away: Every 56 minutes
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                                • Josu
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                                  • 07-02-09
                                  • 842

                                  #51
                                  Real Madrid to advance if the odds are good enough. Real might struggle over in France, but pull it home eventually when back in Spain. Lyon is underrated by many, they can probably put up a fair fight, especially at home.
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                                  • hitman09
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                                    • 01-25-11
                                    • 1157

                                    #52
                                    Take Real Madrid ML for a great spot. Madrid: good coach, good players, play well in Champion League and the last 4 games win by at least one goal. Lyon: 2 lost 2 win in the last 4 games, good coach, good players and play ok in Champion League this year. I would do like this:

                                    4u Real Madrid ML
                                    0.5u 0-0, 0.5u 1-1.
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                                    • NYSportsGuy210
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                                      • 11-07-09
                                      • 11347

                                      #53
                                      Real Madrid 2 - Lyon 0
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                                      • Smogs
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                                        • 12-31-08
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                                        #54
                                        Originally posted by hitman09
                                        Take Real Madrid ML for a great spot. Madrid: good coach, good players, play well in Champion League and the last 4 games win by at least one goal. Lyon: 2 lost 2 win in the last 4 games, good coach, good players and play ok in Champion League this year. I would do like this:

                                        4u Real Madrid ML
                                        0.5u 0-0, 0.5u 1-1.
                                        Can't agree with that, when it comes down to these games it's all about motivation, and Lyon do have serious quality in their team.

                                        See Rubberkettle's post, lyon always play madrid hard - Lyon +0.5 for me but that is the beauty of different angles and opinions
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                                        • Mexes
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                                          • 11-27-09
                                          • 691

                                          #55
                                          Lyon won't lose
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                                          • The Special One
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                                            • 01-08-11
                                            • 3972

                                            #56
                                            Originally posted by hitman09
                                            Take Real Madrid ML for a great spot. Madrid: good coach, good players, play well in Champion League and the last 4 games win by at least one goal. Lyon: 2 lost 2 win in the last 4 games, good coach, good players and play ok in Champion League this year. I would do like this: 4u Real Madrid ML 0.5u 0-0, 0.5u 1-1.
                                            those are the correct plays but I would put 3u on ML instead...
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                                            • MendozaLine
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                                              • 01-11-10
                                              • 4088

                                              #57
                                              OL and the Under.
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                                              • The Special One
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                                                • 01-08-11
                                                • 3972

                                                #58
                                                Originally posted by RubberKettle
                                                Lyon Recent History 1st Knockout Round (1st Leg) 2009-2010 Lyon 1 - Real Madrid 0 2008-2009 Lyon 1 - Barcelona 1 2007-2008 Lyon 1 - Manchester United 1 2006-2007 Roma 0 - Lyon 0 2005-2006 PSV 0 - Lyon 1 2004-2005 Werder Bremen 0 - Lyon 3 2003-2004 Real Soceidad 0 - Lyon 1 2002-2003 Format Change Year I'm noticing a trend
                                                first of all, The Special One was not a coach of any of their opposing teams and will be tomorrow... he is unlike any other coach (and person) in the world and thus, I do not suggest looking through stats to evaluate a pick if he is involved in the game... next, people are stating that Real has troubles with Lyon but fail to recognize that A, a bunch of players are new this year and B, MOURINHO IS IN CHARGE NOW!!!
                                                second of all, this stat that Lyon is invincible in first 1st leg must come to an end sooner or later, and what better time for that than against Mourinho? I would look for a typical Jose win or low-scoring DRAW [0-0, 0-1]
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                                                • thedrifter
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                                                  • 10-04-10
                                                  • 326

                                                  #59
                                                  I would take Real and the Under... Revenge play here for Real!
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                                                  • sportfan
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                                                    • 12-22-09
                                                    • 10111

                                                    #60
                                                    Real ML is my take , why ? idk
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                                                    • sneakerhead
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                                                      • 07-14-10
                                                      • 7727

                                                      #61
                                                      under looks like the play.
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                                                      • juanego
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                                                        • 12-03-10
                                                        • 196

                                                        #62
                                                        under 1.5 1st half of course!
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                                                        • Arsenal
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                                                          • 01-30-09
                                                          • 1349

                                                          #63
                                                          I don't think Lyon scores. Was going to place bets on final score of 0-0, 1-0 & 2-0 for Madrid. Decided to just play Lyon team total Under 0.5 @ +155.
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                                                          • GMilst
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                                                            • 02-01-11
                                                            • 279

                                                            #64
                                                            I dont know whether or not to bet on the under 1.5 on the 1st half, but i have to admit it makes sense and i kinda like it. i will check the odds and i might put a lil bet on that.
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                                                            • maja
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                                                              • 02-21-11
                                                              • 10

                                                              #65
                                                              What is the history between these 2 teams?
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                                                              • latinrus
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                                                                • 08-01-10
                                                                • 11188

                                                                #66
                                                                Originally posted by RubberKettle
                                                                Past Meetings:
                                                                10/03/2010 Real Madrid 1 - Lyon 1
                                                                16/02/2010 Lyon 1 - Real Madrid 0
                                                                21/11/2006 Real Madrid 2 - Lyon 2
                                                                13/09/2006 Lyon 2 - Real Madrid 0
                                                                23/11/2005 Real Madrid 1 - Lyon 1
                                                                13/09/2005 Lyon 3 - Real Madrid 0

                                                                Lyon
                                                                Overall Form: WDLWDDWDWD
                                                                Under/Over 2.5: 4-6
                                                                Clean Sheets: 3
                                                                Not Scored: 1
                                                                Scored First: 6
                                                                Goal Score Rate Overall: Every 50 minutes
                                                                Goal Score Rate Home: Every 54 minutes

                                                                Real Madrid

                                                                Overall Form: WWLWDWWWWW
                                                                Under/Over 2.5: 5-5
                                                                Clean Sheets: 5
                                                                Not Scored: 1
                                                                Scored First: 7
                                                                Goal Score Rate Overall: Every 39 minutes
                                                                Goal Score Rate Away: Every 56 minutes
                                                                Originally posted by maja
                                                                What is the history between these 2 teams?
                                                                see above
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                                                                • Wiesnak
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                                                                  • 12-06-10
                                                                  • 2066

                                                                  #67
                                                                  final score: 1-1
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                                                                  • nube
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                                                                    • 12-10-10
                                                                    • 469

                                                                    #68
                                                                    I see mourinho like a chess player, so also for me is an Under game..
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                                                                    • waco66
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                                                                      • 04-14-09
                                                                      • 1645

                                                                      #69
                                                                      all dependshow jose decides to aproach this game...real is on a roll...i think they win this 1-0
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                                                                      • RubberKettle
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                                                                        • 12-28-09
                                                                        • 6421

                                                                        #70
                                                                        Originally posted by The Special One
                                                                        first of all, The Special One was not a coach of any of their opposing teams and will be tomorrow... he is unlike any other coach (and person) in the world and thus, I do not suggest looking through stats to evaluate a pick if he is involved in the game... next, people are stating that Real has troubles with Lyon but fail to recognize that A, a bunch of players are new this year and B, MOURINHO IS IN CHARGE NOW!!! second of all, this stat that Lyon is invincible in first 1st leg must come to an end sooner or later, and what better time for that than against Mourinho? I would look for a typical Jose win or low-scoring DRAW [0-0, 0-1]
                                                                        I used that to show how close Lyon's games are. Everyone of those, but one, could have been profitable for the dog on +.5
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