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[Tower]

Hey wise can you tell me the difference between spread and moneyline in soccer i have italy spread at -200
moneyline at +110
please help???

disregard.

[WiseGrumpy]

I'm not sure how you came about the Denmark pick. Good call on the Japan corners though

How? Denmark are a great team and I had no doubt they will play well, and they have. They played better the first half and I'm sure 100% the game would end up as a tie if that stupid own goal wouldn't come. I still think it was a great bet. But things happen.

Thnx.

Hey wise can you tell me the difference between spread and moneyline in soccer i have italy spread at -200
moneyline at +110
please help???

ML means that if Italy wins, you win the bet, tie it's a push, and a lose is a lose.
Spread is simply if Italy wins you win, tie or a lose you lost the bet.

Good job buddy.

Thnx.

[Tower]

ML means that if Italy wins, you win the bet, tie it's a push, and a lose is a lose.
Spread is simply if Italy wins you win, tie or a lose you lost the bet.


Thnx.

Isn't it the other way around?? Moneyline they have to win, no ties??? and spread they can tie/win??? I'm confused...

[I.L.S]

money line , if tie , u get u'r money back.

[fisel]

How? Denmark are a great team and I had no doubt they will play well, and they have. They played better the first half and I'm sure 100% the game would end up as a tie if that stupid own goal wouldn't come. I still think it was a great bet. But things happen.

Holland we're terrible but still won 2 - 0 with double the shots on target, a 90% pass rate and 65% possesion. The gulf in quality is quite large IMO. Not trying to dig just saying lol.

[cocomandoug]

Thanks everybody

[WiseGrumpy]

Holland we're terrible but still won 2 - 0 with double the shots on target, a 90% pass rate and 65% possesion. The gulf in quality is quite large IMO. Not trying to dig just saying lol.

I went to ALL Holland games in the last European cup, and they didn't play well. As I said, if that own goal wouldn't happen, the game ends in a tie, no doubt. But it's part of the game, one miss is not the end of the world.

[fisel]

I went to ALL Holland games in the last European cup, and they didn't play well. As I said, if that own goal wouldn't happen, the game ends in a tie, no doubt. But it's part of the game, one miss is not the end of the world.

Certainly

[SolidDala]

ML - team MUST win , if tie you lose
PK - if tie, bet is canceled

[WiseGrumpy]

I LOVE the games for tomorrow.
As I said I want at least 70% by the end of this cup.

I will have plays early tomorrow.

[lasker]

I went to ALL Holland games in the last European cup, and they didn't play well. As I said, if that own goal wouldn't happen, the game ends in a tie, no doubt. But it's part of the game, one miss is not the end of the world.

I really doubt it would have ended in a tie. Holland didn't play to their ability and they were still clearly better than the Danes. I thought Holland was an easy call for that game.

[TheCommish]

Good job so far.. and love the pics.

[dynamitappletini]

Nice hit but I couldn't get Japan Corners Under 4 @ pinny?! just +1.5 corners or sth for Japan...
well well will try my luck in Italy game... Japan game was disappointing
Gl WG!

[WiseGrumpy]

I really doubt it would have ended in a tie. Holland didn't play to their ability and they were still clearly better than the Danes. I thought Holland was an easy call for that game.

Can't agree. The Danes could have been up 2-0 by half time had some great chances.
Anyway it's done, we are 1-1 today 4-1 total going to 5-1 ...

[dynamitappletini]

money line , if tie , u get u'r money back.

No ML is only a win if the team really wins! wouldn't make sense to bet a draw then...

ML - team MUST win , if tie you lose
PK - if tie, bet is canceled

that's right! PK or DNB (draw no bet) is a WIN if the team wins and a PUSH if it's a draw... As a result the odds are way worse then ML. Check out Italy match:
ML is +125 ==> only a win e.g. 1-0 italy
PK is -187 ==> 1-1 would be money back, 2-1 would mean a win!
and another thing is
PK and -0.5 for -111 ==> 0-0 would mean you push the half of the bet (for risking 2 units you lose only 1) and 1-0 would mean you win both PK and -0.5 and win the whole bet (2 units).
a lose of your team would mean you lose both PK and -0.5 and therefore lose 2 units!!! Don't forget that guys

[WiseGrumpy]

It doesn't matter how you call it, but it's simple, the better price is when you NEED a win, the worst price is when a tie is a push. In the European sites ML is when a tie is a push.

[Tower]

It doesn't matter how you call it, but it's simple, the better price is when you NEED a win, the worst price is when a tie is a push. In the European sites ML is when a tie is a push.

thanks! thats why I was getting confused, Euro sites are the opposite. so we were both right!

[CatPulp]

Ah Just checked it: Team A to have a clean sheet means: Team B not to score so it is the same as u0.5 for team B!!

Thanks for spelling that out for me. The odds are better than a simple win by Italy.

[WiseGrumpy]

No doubt not the greatest day. Still pretty strong two days, tomorrow going for the sweep ...

[CatPulp]

Italy could still pull off a win, right? Right?

[WiseGrumpy]

6.15.2010



Slovakia - LOCKED

[WiseGrumpy]

6.15.2010



Portugal Vs Ivory Coast - OVER 10 corners - LOCKED

[WiseGrumpy]

6.15.2010



Brazil Vs North Korea - OVER 2.5 Goals - LOCKED

[TBone101]

I like tomorrows picks GW.. i'll tail ya for sure... looks like a clean sweep

Not sure how you cap for corner kicks but i'll trust on it for a small play

[Joe_Shabadoo]

Would I be presumptuous to say that you do not forcast any Korean goals scored later today?

[I.L.S]

Great picks GRUMPY , BOL...

[SolidDala]

Like it Grumpy!! and cheers for the BIG BET on the BIG PEOPLE yesterday

[WiseGrumpy]

I like tomorrows picks GW.. i'll tail ya for sure... looks like a clean sweep

Not sure how you cap for corner kicks but i'll trust on it for a small play

Would I be presumptuous to say that you do not forcast any Korean goals scored later today?

4-0 Brazil.

Great picks GRUMPY , BOL...

Like it Grumpy!! and cheers for the BIG BET on the BIG PEOPLE yesterday

[dvb07]

nice picks WG,
id pick draw between portugal and ivory coast 1-1
Brazil to win by 2 goals or more possbily 3-0 lead 1-0 at half time
and slovakia to win by 2 goals or more, to win 1-0 at half time

[WiseGrumpy]

nice picks WG,
id pick draw between portugal and ivory coast 1-1
Brazil to win by 2 goals or more possbily 3-0 lead 1-0 at half time
and slovakia to win by 2 goals or more, to win 1-0 at half time

Sounds about right mate. GL!

[Tower]

Hey Grumpy when you pick a team like Slovakia, what is the bet exactly? It is to "win" (american ML -125) or "win/draw" (american pointspread -200)?

I just want to make sure I'm following your picks correctly. Thanks Mate!

[WiseGrumpy]

Hey Grumpy when you pick a team like Slovakia, what is the bet exactly? It is to "win" (american ML -125) or "win/draw" (american pointspread -200)?

I just want to make sure I'm following your picks correctly. Thanks Mate!

Must win. If it's tie = push I write ML.

[Tower]

Must win. If it's tie = push I write ML.

Got it thanks! My book has Brazil o/u at 3 -105 and total corners Portugal/Ivory at 10.5 -115, Do you think there is still value at these numbers?

[SolidDala]

Put in IN_GAME bet for SLOVAKIA ML, had -1 before start and over 2, so if they win 1-0 then i walk away at zero! Hoping for a 2-0 second half!!!!

[WiseGrumpy]

Got it thanks! My book has Brazil o/u at 3 -105 and total corners Portugal/Ivory at 10.5 -115, Do you think there is still value at these numbers?

Indeed.

Put in IN_GAME bet for SLOVAKIA ML, had -1 before start and over 2, so if they win 1-0 then i walk away at zero! Hoping for a 2-0 second half!!!!

lol I was about to make the bet, read your post, and then GOAL!!! Oh well, at least they are ahead.