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  • Sildenafil
    SBR High Roller
    • 05-18-10
    • 174

    #1
    ENGLAND Vs. USA Saturday
    ENGLAND Vs. USA

    This should be a good game to start off their respective campaigns. I believe these two will be the top 2 to qualify out of the group, with the winner of this game advancing as the winners. I can only see England winning this but their price is too short (I hate betting teams to win in soccer as the draw will inevitably screw you over too many times). So the bet i'm going to go for is the OVER 2.5 GOALS @ 2.05 (+105).

    I was very shocked to see this price, expected it to be much lower. I guess the oddsmakers think that the first game for each team, they will keep it tight and are expecting maybe a 1-0 or 2-0 win. But I can't see that happening. England under Capello have been very adventurous (compared to under previous managers McClaren and Sven) and almost always score plenty of goals. They also are very suspect at the back. Glen Johnson, the right back, is a pretty terrible defender and is one of the reasons for Liverpool's shocking season in the English premier league. He is very good going forward and can put a very good ball into the box (which will help if Peter Crouch plays, who is 6ft 7in tall) and will score quite a few goals. However his defending leaves a lot to be desired. He allows too many balls to be put into the box and the winger can get past him too easily for my liking. Losing Rio Ferdinand to injury may be a blessing in disguise for England as his form has not been very good at all this season!! Ledley King will probably fill in for him.
    England were the top scorers of the whole European qualification, scoring 34 goals in 10 matches. They also conceded in 6 of those 10 matches. So in the 10 matches, 40 goals were scored (average 4 goals a game). In their last 20 matches, including friendlies, they have conceded at least 1 goal in 14 of them and have scored in 17 (16 out of 20 finished over 2.5 goals). So there are always goals in England matches!! Plus Wayne Rooney has been in blistering form this season and will be pushing for the golden boot if he can stay fit!!
    USA finished top of their two qualification tables. In the first qualification round, they scored 14 goals in 6 matches. In the second qualification round, they scored 19 goals and conceded 13 (32 goals total) in 10 matches (average 3.2 goals per game). In all 16 matches of qualification they scored in. In their last 20 matches, including friendlies, they have conceded a goal in 15 of them and scored in 18 (16 out of 20 over 2.5 goals).

    I can't say I know too much about the US squad (besides the players who play in England) but just going according to the stats, this is a cracking bet and at above even money, seems like the bet of the game!! To be honest I would be surprised if this didn't cash in the first hour of the game. Prediction England 3-1 USA

    Any opinions??

    Good luck whatever you play
  • tankman777
    SBR Sharp
    • 04-03-10
    • 330

    #2
    usa to upset england 2-1
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    • Sildenafil
      SBR High Roller
      • 05-18-10
      • 174

      #3
      Originally posted by tankman777
      usa to upset england 2-1
      Either way, still over 2.5 goals
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      • wikkidinsane
        SBR Posting Legend
        • 05-30-10
        • 13799

        #4
        Originally posted by Sildenafil
        Either way, still over 2.5 goals
        USA defense looks suspect and England missing a key center back. England will be apllying pressure to USA throughout the game and they will eventually succumb to the superior English wingers/midfielders/forwards and give up atleast 3 goals.
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        • Dark Horse
          SBR Posting Legend
          • 12-14-05
          • 13764

          #5
          The question is not which is the better team, which is obvious, but which team has the early form. I think the US has the edge there, because the players have a clearer understanding of their roles. England is more ambitious, but, strangely, lacks experience where it comes to gelling as a team.

          USA is called the 'little Mannschaft' by some, in reference to Germany. What they lack in technique, they make up for by fight and team spirit. The matchup with England is traditionally good for the US, because England doesn't have a superior tactical approach. If the US can turn this into a scrappy fight, which shouldn't be too hard, it would be a more or less even fight between compact team spirit (US) and superior players (England).

          England will take the initiative and give the US plenty of space to counter. That will play exactly into how the US wants to play. The English defense is very suspect, as shown by Mexico last month, which cut through the defense with ease and only forget to translate it into goals.

          I'm going with three possible scores:
          England 1 - USA 0
          England 1 - USA 1
          England 0 - USA 0
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          • stomptheboard
            SBR High Roller
            • 04-05-10
            • 106

            #6
            england will dominate this time, no upsets
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            • Smogs
              SBR MVP
              • 12-31-08
              • 4173

              #7
              Originally posted by stomptheboard
              england will dominate this time, no upsets
              Hope your right
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              • Adebayor365
                SBR Wise Guy
                • 04-23-10
                • 603

                #8
                england -1
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                • wikkidinsane
                  SBR Posting Legend
                  • 05-30-10
                  • 13799

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Dark Horse
                  The question is not which is the better team, which is obvious, but which team has the early form. I think the US has the edge there, because the players have a clearer understanding of their roles. England is more ambitious, but, strangely, lacks experience where it comes to gelling as a team.

                  USA is called the 'little Mannschaft' by some, in reference to Germany. What they lack in technique, they make up for by fight and team spirit. The matchup with England is traditionally good for the US, because England doesn't have a superior tactical approach. If the US can turn this into a scrappy fight, which shouldn't be too hard, it would be a more or less even fight between compact team spirit (US) and superior players (England).

                  England will take the initiative and give the US plenty of space to counter. That will play exactly into how the US wants to play. The English defense is very suspect, as shown by Mexico last month, which cut through the defense with ease and only forget to translate it into goals.

                  I'm going with three possible scores:
                  England 1 - USA 0
                  England 1 - USA 1
                  England 0 - USA 0

                  I agree with most of what you said especially the "England will take the initiative and give the US plenty of space to counter." But with Usa playing counter ball they will invite England in and I think with all their star players they will be able to pound the USA and put them in their place.

                  P.S. USA is way too overrated and not one single day goes by without me being constantly reminded by this in U.S media
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                  • jram68
                    SBR Wise Guy
                    • 12-16-09
                    • 693

                    #10
                    Originally posted by tankman777
                    usa to upset england 2-1
                    no real chance of that outside of your fantasies. England's B team could probably beat us. We will have to play tremendous soccer to draw this game. I like the idea of betting the Over on this match.
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                    • Shark79
                      SBR Posting Legend
                      • 11-19-07
                      • 11211

                      #11
                      Originally posted by wikkidinsane
                      USA defense looks suspect and England missing a key center back. England will be apllying pressure to USA throughout the game and they will eventually succumb to the superior English wingers/midfielders/forwards and give up atleast 3 goals.

                      USA missing a key striker (Altidore)
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                      • Karayilan9
                        Restricted User
                        • 01-10-09
                        • 3742

                        #12
                        A question mark for England

                        - Rooneys temper, he has been given a warning that if he could be sent off if he doesn't show respect to the refs, then they bring in Carlos Simon! one of the most controversial refs in Brazil, I have first hand seen what he is capable of. Let's just say if he England gets on the wrong side of him there will be fireworks. If the game turns out into a frantic midfield battle, there could be lots of cards shown, if they frustrate Rooney and get him mouthing off this guy won't hesitate to do what Fifa said they would and show him the red.
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                        • wikkidinsane
                          SBR Posting Legend
                          • 05-30-10
                          • 13799

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Shark79
                          USA missing a key striker (Altidore)
                          Oh well, I expect England to score 3 so the O 2.5 is safe
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                          • Rookie07
                            SBR Rookie
                            • 05-14-10
                            • 49

                            #14
                            I'll take England 1H on this one.
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                            • Dirty Sanchez
                              SBR Posting Legend
                              • 03-01-10
                              • 16031

                              #15
                              The US defensive back line is weak...and putting an overweight Oguchi Onyewu who's not played in 7 months on the roster will tell you how desperate the US is on defense. This is not the time or place to let a guy play back into shape, and strikers like Wayne Rooney and Co. are licking their chops right now. Also, the England defense has taken a hit and the US offense can, and will score.
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                              • rfr3sh
                                SBR Posting Legend
                                • 11-07-09
                                • 10229

                                #16
                                USA will be extremely lucky to score, Englands Defense will be find for the group stages
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                                • maquina
                                  SBR High Roller
                                  • 05-23-10
                                  • 146

                                  #17
                                  USA will loose.
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                                  • umdterps
                                    SBR Sharp
                                    • 04-02-10
                                    • 282

                                    #18
                                    I have a small bet for England to win the group and I need them to get a win against the US.
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                                    • Sandro777
                                      SBR Sharp
                                      • 08-14-08
                                      • 368

                                      #19
                                      England isn't the team you all make them out to be. Soccer is quite the team game and they are having REAL problems getting on the same page. It wouldn't surprise me one bit if USA sneaks out a 2-1 victory. USA has some real gritty players and they thrive as the underdog.
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                                      • OLBG Sports
                                        SBR Wise Guy
                                        • 04-26-10
                                        • 925

                                        #20
                                        The Over 2.5 looks a solid play in this game...
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                                        • xdmoney13x
                                          SBR Hustler
                                          • 05-16-10
                                          • 82

                                          #21
                                          USA will win 2-1 , over 2.5
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                                          • Slainte
                                            SBR MVP
                                            • 12-13-09
                                            • 2442

                                            #22
                                            I agree with the over, one of the best picks in the first round
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                                            • psv777ua
                                              SBR MVP
                                              • 03-17-10
                                              • 2837

                                              #23
                                              England -1
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                                              • Dark Horse
                                                SBR Posting Legend
                                                • 12-14-05
                                                • 13764

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by wikkidinsane
                                                P.S. USA is way too overrated and not one single day goes by without me being constantly reminded by this in U.S media
                                                I agree that the US is overrated. So is England. But there is a difference between England and the US. When things don't go well for England, they lose themselves and become confused. The US, however, finds strength in adversity.

                                                English players were never taught to think about the game very much. That's not in their 'working class' soccer culture. It doesn't show so much in the Premier League, where they are surrounded by foreign stars. But it invariably shows in the national team. A Swedish or Italian coach can help them to a degree, but that still won't change their roots.
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                                                • longbeachson
                                                  Restricted User
                                                  • 03-17-10
                                                  • 48

                                                  #25
                                                  I like England -1 but not sure will they score a 3rd if up 2-0 late in the game
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                                                  • JRLM8
                                                    SBR High Roller
                                                    • 01-23-10
                                                    • 241

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by Shark79
                                                    USA missing a key striker (Altidore)
                                                    Altidore is ready to go. He practiced fully yesterday with the team. And coach Bradley said all 23 players are available for Saturday

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                                                    • d1m@
                                                      SBR Sharp
                                                      • 03-27-10
                                                      • 275

                                                      #27
                                                      england winns and over 2.5
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                                                      • fedtpels
                                                        SBR Sharp
                                                        • 01-08-10
                                                        • 407

                                                        #28
                                                        England pulls away with the win. I like the over 2.5 goals. I will play it as well.
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                                                        • matosh
                                                          SBR Hustler
                                                          • 06-09-10
                                                          • 72

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by fedtpels
                                                          England pulls away with the win. I like the over 2.5 goals. I will play it as well.
                                                          england 3
                                                          sad 1
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                                                          • beanbag
                                                            SBR MVP
                                                            • 01-21-10
                                                            • 2364

                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by Shark79
                                                            USA missing a key striker (Altidore)
                                                            jozy will be out there coach says!
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                                                            • swiss88
                                                              SBR Wise Guy
                                                              • 02-07-10
                                                              • 906

                                                              #31
                                                              England should win this, so I'll try the -1 with them, I don't think the US pull the upset
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                                                              • spartangreen
                                                                SBR MVP
                                                                • 11-25-09
                                                                • 3807

                                                                #32
                                                                Altidore is playing for the US, he just had a very minor ankle sprain, its healed now.


                                                                Played the over 2.5 a few days ago when it was +108
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                                                                • tachi
                                                                  SBR Sharp
                                                                  • 03-25-09
                                                                  • 309

                                                                  #33
                                                                  USA projected starting line-up : Howard, Cherundolo, Onweyu, Demerit, Bocanegra, Donovan, Torres, Bradley, Dempsey, Buddle, Altidore.

                                                                  England probable team: Green,Johnson,JT,King,Cole,Lennon,Barry, Lampard,Cole,Gerrard,Rooney.

                                                                  H2H history:
                                                                  England and USA don’t have an extensive competitive history.England carries a 7-2 record against the States, most recently a 2-0 victory in 2008 when they last met; the United State’s most notable win came in 1950’s World Cup, where they edged out England 1-0.

                                                                  England is one of the most free-scoring teams in international football, having scored 34 goals in 10 qualifiers, with the majestic Wayne Rooney bagging nine.

                                                                  Expectations: Most of the USA players play in England or Europe and not in big clubs.
                                                                  Their style of play is very much familiar to the Three Lions management.
                                                                  England has for the first time in their history an italian coach,specialist in tactics.This was the missing part in their previous WC performances.I'd put Capello in the same category as Ancelotti and Mourihno.

                                                                  England to win.
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                                                                  • zlate22
                                                                    SBR Wise Guy
                                                                    • 01-15-10
                                                                    • 511

                                                                    #34
                                                                    england win 2-0
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                                                                    • Squirrel
                                                                      SBR MVP
                                                                      • 06-11-09
                                                                      • 1316

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Kinda undecided how to play this game to be honest, even though I expect England to win by at least 2 goals - its hard to find a market with sufficient value for me to get involved.

                                                                      England/England double result is at +130 in a couple of places, that my well be the play I take.
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