USA v. Italy

**Phillth** · 06-14-09, 02:37 PM

and id also like to remind everyone that our midfield is crapola

**pattymayo** · 06-14-09, 05:04 PM

agreed. after seeing them get beasted by Costa Rica and then barely beat Hondorus, Italy should be a safe bet

**Phillth** · 06-14-09, 07:47 PM

just checked the full squad list for italy. 20 of the 23 players are on champions league or uefa cup squads. holy crap.

**dwest718** · 06-14-09, 10:36 PM

Originally posted by Phillth

just checked the full squad list for italy. 20 of the 23 players are on champions league or uefa cup squads. holy crap.

Helped during WC06 right? Italy is the better squad but missing Cannavaro, I can see a 1-1 match. Just be careful taking this game too heavy. USA can pull random draws that no one sees coming. Interesting odds on +1 at -155.

**Phillth** · 06-14-09, 11:47 PM

yup need italy to finish off a 5 teamer. already hedged with the draw. USA will not win this.

**sportsguy04** · 06-15-09, 12:02 AM

USA sometimes plays to their competition level.

But Italy -1 +100 is great value. I can see a 2-0 Italy victory.

**pimike** · 06-15-09, 12:07 AM

Originally posted by sportsguy04

USA sometimes plays to their competition level.

But Italy -1 +100 is great value. I can see a 2-0 Italy victory.

DSI has a pick line, interesting. No other matches have that.

**dwest718** · 06-15-09, 12:33 AM

Originally posted by pimike

DSI has a pick line, interesting. No other matches have that.

Hmmm.

Really makes me want to bet +1 now. Gives me something that I can actually hope to win... USA won't win but we could very well draw. Especially if Dempsey plays up to his competition like usual and puts one in tomorrow.

**pimike** · 06-15-09, 12:36 AM

Originally posted by dwest718

Hmmm.

Really makes me want to bet +1 now. Gives me something that I can actually hope to win... USA won't win but we could very well draw. Especially if Dempsey plays up to his competition like usual and puts one in tomorrow.

Maybe, so I may go with the tie here.

**ZXCVBNM** · 06-15-09, 07:18 AM

US draw, I'm hoping all the homers and casuals pound Italy! Italy usually start tournaments terribly, and these are all the big matches the US are gonna have this year. Forget CONCACAF troubles, you know how they play when faced with big opposition, look at the recent friendlies against Spain/Argentina, and even look at the last World Cup, the US were the only team Italy failed to beat.

Throw in struggling with New Zealand 4-3 in a supposed "training excercise" (excuses excuses) and the US will at least tie this game.

**Crash** · 06-15-09, 07:58 AM

got italy in a parlay!!!!!!!!!!

**cuteboy86hi** · 06-15-09, 08:19 AM

In pre confederation cup friendly, Italy trailed against new zealand 3 times and their defence looked awful.They won;t play that 17 yo defender in this match though but still i am not convinced by their defence.

david santon is 17 and the left back dossena is absolute crap

**Wilforth** · 06-15-09, 08:55 AM

At plus value, I think the Over is the play. The Italian defense is leaky these days. I think the US can get themselves a goal in this one.

**pattymayo** · 06-15-09, 09:47 AM

^^ agreed on the Over.

**Pokerjoe** · 06-15-09, 09:52 AM

Originally posted by Wilforth

At plus value, I think the Over is the play. The Italian defense is leaky these days. I think the US can get themselves a goal in this one.

Maybe, but I can also see Italy saying first A) This NZ game is crap, let's have fun, experiment on defense, try some new guys, etc,

followed by B) holy heck, this gameplan sucks, we got embarrassed, better go back to our usual bunkering style.

I think the US will have some crowd advantage (Obama effect and a half-black lineup), too.

Two WC's past, runner-up Germany couldn't outplay the US.
Last WC, champion Italy couldn't outplay them.

I'll take the US +1.

**sportsguy04** · 06-15-09, 10:31 AM

As a US fan its hard to watch. We struggle to put goals in, and past couple of games we have conceeded a goal in the first 5 minutes.

I lean to Italy -1 and Under 2.5.

**KingRevolver** · 06-15-09, 10:39 AM

I actually think it'll be 2-1 or 3-1 (Italy) I'd go with the over.

**sportsguy04** · 06-15-09, 10:52 AM

I think Im going to go with Italy -1 (-110).

Line is moving in my favor. Went from +100 to -110.

2-0 Italy. My U.S. squad is offensively challenged.

**KingRevolver** · 06-15-09, 10:58 AM

It is - but I recall them always putting in a great effort against the top teams while losing to the shitty teams.

**xxxvince** · 06-15-09, 11:03 AM

italy line is -200 now, damn, should root for usa.. usa bittttcccheeessssss! soccer is tough, cause the game can easily end up in draw, almost like sucker bet

**sportsguy04** · 06-15-09, 11:03 AM

Originally posted by KingRevolver

It is - but I recall them always putting in a great effort against the top teams while losing to the shitty teams.

Our past two games we scored 3 goals against Honduras and Costa Rica. 2 of them were PK's. 1 was a let down by Honduras D for not being able to defend in the air.

Italy's defense will be better then Costa Rica and Honduras's D. Italy will also have Toni and a high powered offense vs. our somewhat suspect defense.

I hate to bet against my teams but Italy should cover -1. 3-1, or 2-0. I dont care if they only win by 1 ill push.

**sportsguy04** · 06-15-09, 11:05 AM

Im going to wait to see what the starting 11 looks like.

**KingRevolver** · 06-15-09, 11:06 AM

Ok, Sportsguy. I'm going to listen to you and do your bets then since you seem to know more.

**Phillth** · 06-15-09, 11:06 AM

I dont understand why some of you look back at matches from 3 years ago. In soccer, form is huge. How is the squad playing right now? And as much id hate to say it, the US is not playing well.

**KingRevolver** · 06-15-09, 11:07 AM

Plus, there's really nothing else to bet on today.

**pavyracer** · 06-15-09, 11:07 AM

Originally posted by xxxvince

italy line is -200 now, damn, should root for usa.. usa bittttcccheeessssss! soccer is tough, cause the game can easily end up in draw, almost like sucker bet

You are getting shafted if you got Italy -200.

The line is -129 at pinnacle right now.

http://www.pinnaclesports.com/League/Soccer/Confed+Cup/7/Lines.aspx

**xxxvince** · 06-15-09, 11:10 AM

its -200 for italy in dsi sportsbook, damn is this the worst line for this game? no way i am putting my money on american amateurs

**sportsguy04** · 06-15-09, 11:11 AM

Originally posted by KingRevolver

Ok, Sportsguy. I'm going to listen to you and do your bets then since you seem to know more.

Tread lightly for i took Brazil -1.5 which I didnt realize Brazil D would let up 3 goals to egypt.

But Italy -1 please....

ANYONE THAT FOLLOWS ITALY A BIT CLOSER THEN ME.. IM ASSUMING BUFFON, ZAMBROTTA, ROSSI, PIRLO, AND TONI WILL ALL BE STARTING CORRECT?

**pavyracer** · 06-15-09, 11:13 AM

I like Italy. They are taking this tourney seriously. Look at this nice preview:

http://www.soccerbyives.net/soccer_by_ives/2009/06/confederations-cup-usa-vs-italy-matchday-preview.html

The Italy midfield and front will destroy US. Pirlo, Gatusso, De Rossi in midfield and Camoranesi, Iaquinta, Giraldino (Toni) up front. The Italian defense may not be the best but the US needs to defend the above 6 players with 1-2 players each which leaves noone to attack. And London Donovan is not a world class player.

**Phillth** · 06-15-09, 11:14 AM

Italy win nets me 6.5K
The draw nets me 1.4k
USA win nets me a bad day.

**xxxvince** · 06-15-09, 11:14 AM

just take the money line sportsguy, if u are really sure pound on it, -1 very risky

**xxxvince** · 06-15-09, 11:15 AM

Originally posted by Phillth

Italy win nets me 6.5K
The draw nets me 1.4k
USA win nets me a bad day.

no way u can lose? damn wonder how u did it

**sportsguy04** · 06-15-09, 11:16 AM

Originally posted by xxxvince

just take the money line sportsguy, if u are really sure pound on it, -1 very risky

My book doesnt offer ML's for soccer. Not much of a soccer book.

**KingRevolver** · 06-15-09, 11:17 AM

Originally posted by sportsguy04

Tread lightly for i took Brazil -1.5 which I didnt realize Brazil D would let up 3 goals to egypt.

But Italy -1 please....