Prosecutor's Affidavit: Zimmerman did NOT use racial slur

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  • Sam Odom
    SBR Aristocracy
    • 10-30-05
    • 58063

    #1
    Prosecutor's Affidavit: Zimmerman did NOT use racial slur
    An affidavit released by the prosecutor who has charged Zimmerman with second-degree murder says he did not use a slur, however. The document filed Thursday did say Zimmerman "profiled" Martin. It did not elaborate.

  • Sam Odom
    SBR Aristocracy
    • 10-30-05
    • 58063

    #2
    Also... 2nd degree Murder charge is weak

    State may lack evidence to convict George Zimmerman of murder

    “There’s simply nothing in there that would justify second-degree murder,” Harvard University law professor Alan Dershowitz told MSNBC Thursday, April 12.


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    • High3rEl3m3nt
      SBR Hall of Famer
      • 09-28-10
      • 8022

      #3
      I half-way think that this is just an attempt to appease the public and show that they did everything in their power to try and convict the guy. However, it's going to make things worse.
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      • d2bets
        BARRELED IN @ SBR!
        • 08-10-05
        • 39995

        #4
        Originally posted by Sam Odom
        An affidavit released by the prosecutor who has charged Zimmerman with second-degree murder says he did not use a slur, however. The document filed Thursday did say Zimmerman "profiled" Martin. It did not elaborate.

        http://www.ajc.com/news/nation-world...t-1415809.html
        The only way you can profile someone is by using a racial slur?
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        • SBR Lou
          BARRELED IN @ SBR!
          • 08-02-07
          • 37863

          #5
          Originally posted by High3rEl3m3nt
          I half-way think that this is just an attempt to appease the public and show that they did everything in their power to try and convict the guy. However, it's going to make things worse.
          It's a good play. Even if they think it won't stick, he'll probably be convicted on voluntary manslaughter.

          Will be really hard to find 12 objective jurors either way.
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          • ngates815
            SBR Posting Legend
            • 12-01-09
            • 13845

            #6
            Everyone know the 2nd degree murder charge is not going to stick.

            This arrest was simply to shut the blacks up.

            Now they are celebrating, because they think he's going to be in jail for life...too funny.
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            • Sam Odom
              SBR Aristocracy
              • 10-30-05
              • 58063

              #7
              Originally posted by d2bets

              The only way you can profile someone is by using a racial slur?

              Dont play dumb...

              You have heard all of the rhetoric (lies) on TV, Radio or Internet
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              • doublej95
                SBR Posting Legend
                • 01-26-10
                • 14094

                #8
                people get murdered everyday. who fukking cares.
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                • ChalkyDog
                  SBR Hall of Famer
                  • 10-02-11
                  • 9598

                  #9
                  Who knows. I thought they could play it up a bit. 2nd degree might stick, especially since he is using an affirmative defense essentially switching the burden of proof to him.
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                  • jstblaze
                    SBR Wise Guy
                    • 03-05-07
                    • 767

                    #10
                    he is not using an affirmative defense.
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                    • ChalkyDog
                      SBR Hall of Famer
                      • 10-02-11
                      • 9598

                      #11
                      Originally posted by jstblaze
                      he is not using an affirmative defense.
                      Based on the narrative that has played out since the event, I had assumed he is using self-defense based on the "stand your ground" law.

                      If he is, I would have to assume it is affirmative. However, I am not all that familiar with the case outside of maybe the week it originally happened, and some small clippings and water cooler talk here and there.

                      Actually, I have a hard time understanding how he can put a defense forward that isn't affirmative. He has not denied shooting the boy. What is going to claim besides self-defense? Privilege?
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                      • jjgold
                        SBR Aristocracy
                        • 07-20-05
                        • 388179

                        #12
                        case going to get thrown out

                        Why?

                        Self defense law so loose in Florida
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                        • ChalkyDog
                          SBR Hall of Famer
                          • 10-02-11
                          • 9598

                          #13
                          Originally posted by jjgold
                          case going to get thrown out

                          Why?

                          Self defense law so loose in Florida
                          If it does get thrown out, it is most likely due to the Father/Mother pulling strings behind the scene. There is more than enough issue of fact that need be brought in front of a judge and jury. And, they better be careful on throwing this out - the state could appeal to the feds.
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                          • mynameismud
                            SBR Hall of Famer
                            • 02-13-12
                            • 5461

                            #14
                            Will be really hard to find 12 objective jurors either way.[/QUOTE]

                            talk about needing a change of venue. they are going to have to try him on the moon to get this guy a fair trial.
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                            • ChalkyDog
                              SBR Hall of Famer
                              • 10-02-11
                              • 9598

                              #15
                              Originally posted by mynameismud
                              Will be really hard to find 12 objective jurors either way.
                              talk about needing a change of venue. they are going to have to try him on the moon to get this guy a fair trial.[/QUOTE]

                              Doubtful. I think most people would be surprised how oblivious our "peers" are to current events. Gets into the philisophical debate on whether these people who are so clueless to their surroundings should be allowed to serve as jurors and determine a mans fate. But, based on the tenets of the constitution, an oblivious peer works just fine.
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                              • mynameismud
                                SBR Hall of Famer
                                • 02-13-12
                                • 5461

                                #16
                                Originally posted by ChalkyDog
                                talk about needing a change of venue. they are going to have to try him on the moon to get this guy a fair trial.
                                Doubtful. I think most people would be surprised how oblivious our "peers" are to current events. Gets into the philisophical debate on whether these people who are so clueless to their surroundings should be allowed to serve as jurors and determine a mans fate. But, based on the tenets of the constitution, an oblivious peer works just fine.[/QUOTE]

                                i agree with you on how oblivious people can be, but my point was more on the fact that finding 12 people that havent already formed their opinion about the case is going to be very hard. its seems everyone has already chosen sides and have a bias attitiude towards this case.
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                                • sharpcat
                                  Restricted User
                                  • 12-19-09
                                  • 4516

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by ChalkyDog
                                  If it does get thrown out, it is most likely due to the Father/Mother pulling strings behind the scene. There is more than enough issue of fact that need be brought in front of a judge and jury. And, they better be careful on throwing this out - the state could appeal to the feds.
                                  There is no appeal to the federal level unless they charge him with a civil rights violation. If he is not found guilty of murder than he is an innocent man and double jeopardy laws will make it so that he can never be charged with murder or manslaughter for this case again.
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                                  • ChalkyDog
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                                    • 10-02-11
                                    • 9598

                                    #18
                                    i agree with you on how oblivious people can be, but my point was more on the fact that finding 12 people that havent already formed their opinion about the case is going to be very hard. its seems everyone has already chosen sides and have a bias attitiude towards this case
                                    I think if you were to go downtown, you would easily find more than 12 people who could name every contestant on American Idol, and have formed their opinions on their chances of moving forward, than them knowing anything about Treyvon's case much less formed an opinion on it.

                                    The internet is a bad place, as you get niche groups of people, and most have opinions on opinion before they even know what the story is about. And anyone you have talked to on the internet, via a forum on the topic, is obviously aware.

                                    I am almost positive, we can poll the people currently online here, in America, on SBR - and easily find an oblivious jury.
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                                    • ChalkyDog
                                      SBR Hall of Famer
                                      • 10-02-11
                                      • 9598

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by sharpcat
                                      There is no appeal to the federal level unless they charge him with a civil rights violation. If he is not found guilty of murder than he is an innocent man and double jeopardy laws will make it so that he can never be charged with murder or manslaughter for this case again.
                                      That assumes the case was heard, to which I kind of agree. My comment was based on the case being thrown out. A prosecutor could appeal to the federal courts to hear the case on it's merits due to local difficulties (For a lack of a better term). Not all federal court rooms are filled with federal issues. A lot of them are filled with mundane state issues.

                                      Also, it being granted by a federal court is unlikely. But so is the case being thrown out. Too many issues of fact here.
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                                      • The Kraken
                                        BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                        • 12-25-11
                                        • 28918

                                        #20
                                        This will be a long, drawn out trial, the State of Flordia is not charging him simply to appease the public, I can promise you that. This will not come cheap.

                                        We had a prosecutor here charge a white pharmacist with first degree murder of a 15 year old black kid that went into his store with a loaded gun, pointed the gun at him and demanded drugs. Everyone here said "oh, theres NO way 12 jurors will find this white pharmacist guilty of FIRST degree murder after the black kid went into the store with a loaded gun, not here in the middle of the bible belt, not in NRA nation."

                                        A short time later those same people are signing a petition for the govenor to pardon the pharmacist who is now in jail for life without the possibility of parole. The pharmacist also had one of the best criminal defense lawyers around here.

                                        Don't be so sure of yourselves.
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                                        • sharpcat
                                          Restricted User
                                          • 12-19-09
                                          • 4516

                                          #21
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                                          Harvard University law professor Alan Dershowitz on Thursday said that George Zimmerman, who was recently arrested second degree murder, would probably be acquitted of the crime because of a lack of evidence.
                                          “Most affidavits of probable cause are very thin,” he said on MSNBC. “This is so thin that it won’t make it past a judge on a second degree murder charge. There’s simply nothing in there that would justify second degree murder.”
                                          “The elements of the crime aren’t established. Basically what is in the affidavit is what’s in the public domain.”
                                          On February 26, Zimmerman shot and killed Trayvon Martin, an unarmed African American teenager in the central Florida town of Sanford. He claimed the shooting was in self-defense.
                                          Dershowitz said the affidavit was not just thin, it was also irresponsible and unethical because it excluded any evidence that favors the defendant.
                                          “This case will not, if the evidence is no stronger than what appears in the probable cause affidavit, this case will result in an acquittal,” he said.
                                          Jonathan Turley, a professor at George Washington University and a defense attorney, has also said it would be very difficult to convict Zimmerman.

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                                          • paranoyd androyd
                                            SBR Hall of Famer
                                            • 10-01-11
                                            • 6459

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by doublej95
                                            people get murdered everyday. who fukking cares.
                                            99% of people don't care about this case
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                                            • Delicious
                                              SBR MVP
                                              • 04-26-11
                                              • 1006

                                              #23
                                              oops already posted. nevermind
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