Pfizer seeks approval for 3rd shot....

**Roger T. Bannon** · 07-09-21, 05:40 PM

Israel vaccine effectiveness is apparently now down to 64%. If you have a 95% vaccine, you get COVID three times in your lifetime. If you have a 90% vaccine, you get it 6 times. 64% and likely falling.

That is how viruses work.

**terpkeg** · 07-09-21, 05:41 PM

Just a moment...

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapediatrics/fullarticle/2781743?fbclid=IwAR07x2g3Orn7GIi4bBL-ignxZTn6W2J7smYRoYHdoLLxdThYMC5SeyB_UV4

Masks are bad for you and the almighty Fauci said they do not work

**terpkeg** · 07-09-21, 05:42 PM

Clot risk to 18-39s from AstraZeneca vaccine is twice as high as Covid death risk, Euro study finds

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40328123.html

New modelling study published in the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control’s medical journal has concluded that the dangers presented to younger people by the AstraZeneca vaccine are greater than the benefits

Clots

**Roger T. Bannon** · 07-09-21, 05:42 PM

Originally posted by terpkeg

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jam...ThYMC5SeyB_UV4

Masks are bad for you and the almighty Fauci said they do not work

Japan has far fewer deaths than the US even though they never shut down. They wear masks. They work. They have a compounding effect.

**terpkeg** · 07-09-21, 05:43 PM

Senator Johnson, families speak: COVID vaccine adverse reactions

https://www.fox6now.com/news/senator-johnson-families-speak-covid-vaccine-adverse-reactions

Some people report the COVID-19 vaccines led to serious side effects – and Sen. Ron Johnson (R-Wisconsin) hosted a few of them in Milwaukee on Monday, June 28.

Seizures....is this really worth it? Sacrificing the youth to save the 65+?

Same can be said for the lockdowns and there effects on children and young adults.

**Roger T. Bannon** · 07-09-21, 05:45 PM

Originally posted by terpkeg

https://www.fox6now.com/news/senator...erse-reactions

Seizures....is this really worth it? Sacrificing the youth to save the 65+?

Same can be said for the lockdowns and there effects on children and young adults.

If you are one that took one for the team, you would probably like a do-over.

**terpkeg** · 07-09-21, 05:55 PM

410 account suspended — Medium

https://doctors4covidethics.medium.com/urgent-open-letter-from-doctors-and-scientists-to-the-european-medicines-agency-regarding-covid-19-f6e17c311595

Are any of the Vaxxers here listening to any of the "science" from the doctors who are concerned that the vaccine will cause severe auto immune issues in the future, questioning its effectiveness and hypothesizing that the vaccine is actually going to cause the variants?

**Roger T. Bannon** · 07-09-21, 06:07 PM

You take your chances with a vaccine anytime. There are a lot more people dying of COVID than having problems with the vaccine. I have an uncle that said he is not taking another one because he more sick from the second shot than from COVID and COVID wiped him out. Other people have not had any effects. People ask around and they take the shot. If they are scared, they don't get it.

That is how it works.

The reality is COVID is not going anywhere. You will either get used to getting COVID shots or you will get a lot of COVID.

**terpkeg** · 07-09-21, 06:07 PM

Is this guy an idiot?

DVM, PhD | Geert Vanden Bossche

https://www.geertvandenbossche.org/

Geert Vanden Bossche, DMV, PhD, independent virologist and vaccine expert, formerly employed at GAVI and The Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, sends open call to all authorities, scientists and experts around the world, to whom this concerns: the entire world population.

**Roger T. Bannon** · 07-09-21, 06:20 PM

He is talking about the danger of the concept of using a vaccine that does not kill COVID off. People were not willing to take the precautions to keep COVID from spreading so they are going with the vaccines. Over time, they will probably stop working. They will have to come up with new ones. There are going to be a lot of them. There will be some that are not mRNA vaccines that people are afraid of. There is going to be a nasal spray.

But COVID is not going anywhere. The idea that it is going away is fantasy unless they come up with a killer vaccine. You cannot cure cold or flu so not likely.

**terpkeg** · 07-09-21, 06:21 PM

Originally posted by Roger T. Bannon

You take your chances with a vaccine anytime. There are a lot more people dying of COVID than having problems with the vaccine. I have an uncle that said he is not taking another one because he more sick from the second shot than from COVID and COVID wiped him out. Other people have not had any effects. People ask around and they take the shot. If they are scared, they don't get it.

That is how it works.

The reality is COVID is not going anywhere. You will either get used to getting COVID shots or you will get a lot of COVID.

I cannot agree with this. You are assuming that Covid shots will prevent Covid and the lack of shots will increase risk of contraction. Look at Flu shots. In 38 years, I had the flu shot once and it made me sick as hell for five days with flu like symptoms (maybe the flu??). Never in my life have I had flu otherwise. After that happened, in 2012, I asked every person who told me they had the flu, if they had a flu shot. I went on a run of about 3 years where everyone who had the flu got the shot.

How is this going to be any different? There is no evidence that this will prevent contraction or transmission of variants of Covid. Also, there are ZERO long term studies of the effects of mRNA "vaccine" on humans. The animal studies are scary.

I just find it very unfortunate that if you do not want the vaccine, your apparently going to face headaches and hardships. My Wife's employer is trying to force her to get it now. She does not want it. One reason is because she has ITP. The condition this girl had:

CITIZEN FREE PRESS

https://citizenfreepress.com/breaking/beautiful-young-italian-girl-killed-by-vaccine/

The Greatest News Site On The Internet. Home of CFP Nation.

It is an auto immune disorder that was onsidered "late onset". Could it have been from all the flu shots they made her take for years? Next thing you know they are going to force it on my kids. I believe it's dangerous, so I speak my mind to people for the most part.

And we in America are not healthy people. Our child hood obesity, auto immune disorders, asthma, autism, are all much higher than other developed countries. Why is this? Is it safe to say that it is environmental factors? Instead of changing what we ingest, we seem to think that drugs will cure everything. Obviously they do not.

**Roger T. Bannon** · 07-09-21, 06:27 PM

You have to make a decision. You do not want people wearing masks. You do not want people taking vaccines. You want people going back to work.

What are you going to do? Are you going to just let it run wild?

So people can get a vaccine or they can not get a vaccine. They are going to do what they want. People want to go back to work and go to restaurants so they are getting the vaccine.

There are no choices here. COVID is here to stay. People will deal with it how they choose and some will die because they chose not to get the vaccine.

**terpkeg** · 07-09-21, 06:44 PM

Originally posted by Roger T. Bannon

You have to make a decision. You do not want people wearing masks. You do not want people taking vaccines. You want people going back to work.

What are you going to do? Are you going to just let it run wild?

So people can get a vaccine or they can not get a vaccine. They are going to do what they want. People want to go back to work and go to restaurants so they are getting the vaccine.

There are no choices here. COVID is here to stay. People will deal with it how they choose and some will die because they chose not to get the vaccine.

Very reasonable people think letting it run wild will create true heard immunity and allow people to truly move on.

Some people will die from covid who are unvaccinated, some people will die from covid who are vaccinated and some people will die from the vaccine.

**Roger T. Bannon** · 07-09-21, 06:46 PM

No, that is magical thinking. You can get some kind of herd immunity for a year. Then next year everybody goes back to getting COVID. It is not going away.

So people are not going to die to achieve herd immunity that never comes.

They want to get people back to work. This is causing major problems.

Maybe they should wait it out and pay people to stay home until a better vaccine comes along. They did not do that.

**masr** · 07-09-21, 08:06 PM

Just like any other disease or illness in the last past centuries.
Some people are going to make it, some are not!

**The Kraken** · 07-09-21, 08:20 PM

Originally posted by terpkeg

https://doctors4covidethics.medium.c...9-f6e17c311595

Are any of the Vaxxers here listening to any of the "science" from the doctors who are concerned that the vaccine will cause severe auto immune issues in the future, questioning its effectiveness and hypothesizing that the vaccine is actually going to cause the variants?

Id correct you but not gonna waste my time. Your mjnd already made up you and just wanna read your own paragraphs

**Roger T. Bannon** · 07-09-21, 08:22 PM

The problem with those is that they did not cause a stock market crash and financial bailout.

You don't necessarily get to wait this thing out in your alternative scenario. You get taken out financially and possibly on a gurney.

When things get away from you, you don't necessarily get them back.

**SBR_Guest_Pro** · 07-10-21, 06:46 PM

How soon can I line up for it

**Okieirish** · 07-10-21, 10:38 PM

They will have a bunch of you on 6 month vaccination schedules the rest of your life. Then, it will cause more problems they can treat the rest of your lives ! It never ends !

**hehfest** · 07-11-21, 12:31 AM

Originally posted by Roger T. Bannon

You have to make a decision. You do not want people wearing masks. You do not want people taking vaccines. You want people going back to work.

What are you going to do? Are you going to just let it run wild?

So people can get a vaccine or they can not get a vaccine. They are going to do what they want. People want to go back to work and go to restaurants so they are getting the vaccine.

There are no choices here. COVID is here to stay. People will deal with it how they choose and some will die because they chose not to get the vaccine.

Nah, just shut off the 5g/6g emf radiation and you won't be poisoned anymore and having trouble breathing. The mask just makes it worse, but that's by design. You "I can't breathe" mf'ers. The virus goes away when the cell towers go away from 5g/6g. They need to take tech out of those towers back down to 4g. Otherwise, they'll just keep cooking your dumbass.

**sunshine11** · 07-11-21, 05:25 PM

Take your D3, vitamin C and zinc, you will always be fine.

**The Kraken** · 07-11-21, 05:58 PM

Originally posted by terpkeg

I cannot agree with this. You are assuming that Covid shots will prevent Covid and the lack of shots will increase risk of contraction. Look at Flu shots. In 38 years, I had the flu shot once and it made me sick as hell for five days with flu like symptoms (maybe the flu??). Never in my life have I had flu otherwise. After that happened, in 2012, I asked every person who told me they had the flu, if they had a flu shot. I went on a run of about 3 years where everyone who had the flu got the shot.

How is this going to be any different? There is no evidence that this will prevent contraction or transmission of variants of Covid. Also, there are ZERO long term studies of the effects of mRNA "vaccine" on humans. The animal studies are scary.

I just find it very unfortunate that if you do not want the vaccine, your apparently going to face headaches and hardships. My Wife's employer is trying to force her to get it now. She does not want it. One reason is because she has ITP. The condition this girl had:

CITIZEN FREE PRESS

https://citizenfreepress.com/breaking/beautiful-young-italian-girl-killed-by-vaccine/

The Greatest News Site On The Internet. Home of CFP Nation.

It is an auto immune disorder that was onsidered "late onset". Could it have been from all the flu shots they made her take for years? Next thing you know they are going to force it on my kids. I believe it's dangerous, so I speak my mind to people for the most part.

And we in America are not healthy people. Our child hood obesity, auto immune disorders, asthma, autism, are all much higher than other developed countries. Why is this? Is it safe to say that it is environmental factors? Instead of changing what we ingest, we seem to think that drugs will cure everything. Obviously they do not.

You're uneducated as to the differences between Covid and the flu, and also the purpose of the vaccine.

Covid is a novel virus and our bodies arent responding well to it. We had 600,000 Covid deaths in the first year, and a bad flu year we have about 30,000. So these viruses are not the same in any way, shape or form and neither is our bodies response to them.

Also, you're anecdotal experiences don't mean anything in the big picture.

Lastly, the vaccines have never been marketed to prevent the contraction of Covid, however they significantly improve the outcomes of all people that have received it. We're seeing the huge divide play out right now in front of our own eyes every single day. We rarely see people in the ICU that are vaccinated and routinely see unvaccinated people on max life support.

You have a strong opinion based on misinformation.

Stop reading whatever bullshit you're reading and get educated

**d2bets** · 07-11-21, 08:56 PM

Originally posted by The Kraken

You're uneducated as to the differences between Covid and the flu, and also the purpose of the vaccine.

Covid is a novel virus and our bodies arent responding well to it. We had 600,000 Covid deaths in the first year, and a bad flu year we have about 30,000. So these viruses are not the same in any way, shape or form and neither is our bodies response to them.

Also, you're anecdotal experiences don't mean anything in the big picture.

Lastly, the vaccines have never been marketed to prevent the contraction of Covid, however they significantly improve the outcomes of all people that have received it. We're seeing the huge divide play out right now in front of our own eyes every single day. We rarely see people in the ICU that are vaccinated and routinely see unvaccinated people on max life support.

You have a strong opinion based on misinformation.

Stop reading whatever bullshit you're reading and get educated

You're never going to convince some of these people. They are going to believe what they want to believe. They are impervious to facts.

**d2bets** · 07-11-21, 09:01 PM

Originally posted by Roger T. Bannon

Israel vaccine effectiveness is apparently now down to 64%. If you have a 95% vaccine, you get COVID three times in your lifetime. If you have a 90% vaccine, you get it 6 times. 64% and likely falling.

That is how viruses work.

Lifetime? We're figuring out how often we're getting covid in, what, 20 or 40 years?

And the issue is not contracting covid, the issue is not having a bad outcome from covid. That's what the vaccine does and it does it effectively, at least so far.

**The Kraken** · 07-11-21, 11:55 PM

Originally posted by d2bets

You're never going to convince some of these people. They are going to believe what they want to believe. They are impervious to facts.

Ya, Im aware. Im not trying to convince them.

But their ridiculous attempts to put out an alt narrative and reshape the reality of the pandemic deserve to be refuted.

They know nothing other than what the far right wing conspiracy theory nuts want them to know, and they eagerly run back to SBR to spread the bullshit. All while young, healthy unvaccinated people are dying because they buy into the lies.

**Sanity Check** · 07-12-21, 12:08 AM

If we disagree.

Why can't those who support vaccines get the shot & live with the consequences.

While those who don't support vaccines, don't get the shot and live with the results.

What's wrong with letting everyone bet their lives on what they believe in.

Someone is scared, they're trying to force their stance on everyone. Its not on the anti vax side of things.

**edawg** · 07-12-21, 12:20 AM

The best thing for a healthy young person to do is to stay away from needles, doctors, and hospitals. By doing so they distance themselves from fear, ignorance, arrogance, greed, and control.

**pimike** · 07-12-21, 12:33 AM

Originally posted by The Kraken

Ya, Im aware. Im not trying to convince them.

But their ridiculous attempts to put out an alt narrative and reshape the reality of the pandemic deserve to be refuted.

They know nothing other than what the far right wing conspiracy theory nuts want them to know, and they eagerly run back to SBR to spread the bullshit. All while young, healthy unvaccinated people are dying because they buy into the lies.

Young healthy unvaccinated are dying?

Really?

Lol

**The Kraken** · 07-12-21, 12:44 AM

Originally posted by pimike

Young healthy unvaccinated are dying?

Really?

Lol

100%, its primarily who we see most now in ICU's. late 30's to early 60's, unvaccinated males.

**The Kraken** · 07-12-21, 12:50 AM

Originally posted by Sanity Check

If we disagree.

Why can't those who support vaccines get the shot & live with the consequences.

While those who don't support vaccines, don't get the shot and live with the results.

What's wrong with letting everyone bet their lives on what they believe in.

Someone is scared, they're trying to force their stance on everyone. Its not on the anti vax side of things.

Dont get the vaccine, no one gives a fukk

srsly

I have never once advocated any of you fukks get the vaccine nor would I

However the reality of the pandemic right now is the group of people we see most frequently in ICU's is unvaccinated males in the 40's to 60's. And people deserve to know that fact.

**ChuckyTheGoat** · 07-12-21, 01:10 AM

Some decent discussion in here.

Bottom line re: vaccine,
*Can anyone show me definitively that getting the vaccine is a Net Gain?

Just feel like the future problems from getting the vaccine will make it worse.

**The Kraken** · 07-12-21, 01:16 AM

Originally posted by ChuckyTheGoat

Some decent discussion in here.

Bottom line re: vaccine,
*Can anyone show me definitively that getting the vaccine is a Net Gain?

Just feel like the future problems from getting the vaccine will make it worse.

I don't think anything that conclusive exists yet. Can I say for certain getting the vaccine is a net gain? No. Do I believe it is? yes.

Can I say for certain the only covid people in our ICU for the last few months are unvaccinated? yes.

Thats all I know for certain.

Take it for what its worth.

Having seen people struggle to breathe for weeks, only to end up on a ventilator for months, and then die. I don't want to risk that. I've seen it more than you could imagine, over and over again.

Have I ever seen anyone in our ICU as a result of getting the vaccine? No.

So I perceive it as a net gain, but couldn't provide you with any proof beyond my anecdotal experiences.

**ChuckyTheGoat** · 07-12-21, 01:55 AM

Good info. Thanks, kraken!

**HockeyRocks** · 07-12-21, 11:38 AM

Originally posted by ChuckyTheGoat

Some decent discussion in here.

Bottom line re: vaccine,
*Can anyone show me definitively that getting the vaccine is a Net Gain?

Just feel like the future problems from getting the vaccine will make it worse.

Oh JFC. less than 1% of Covid deaths in June are from Americans that HAVE been vaccinated.
As many as over 95% of Covid deaths in June were Americans that HAVE NOT been vaccinated.
WTF else do you need to know ??????????
The Delta Variant is spreading rapidly. It won't be me, but it could be you next if you have not been vaccinated.

**edawg** · 07-12-21, 12:23 PM

Originally posted by HockeyRocks

Oh JFC. less than 1% of Covid deaths in June are from Americans that HAVE been vaccinated.
As many as over 95% of Covid deaths in June were Americans that HAVE NOT been vaccinated.
WTF else do you need to know ??????????
The Delta Variant is spreading rapidly. It won't be me, but it could be you next if you have not been vaccinated.

And a 100% of jab deaths are from people getting the jab. So when 100 year old dies it is because they tested positive for covid just like a can of Pepsi does? Or maybe it is that new deadly variant! lol