There is ample evidence over time showing that he is unsuited for this role..but today's showing is just simply revolting.
Let's make some changes "for the bettor" SBR.
Let's make some changes "for the bettor" SBR.
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36Yes0%9No0%27The poll is expired.
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I don't know what your situation is, so since you didn't say, then I won't speculate on it. But I know he helps people who have "legitimate" complaints about an online S-book and tries to get the situation resolved.Comment -
it might be helpful to know which forum/subforums he's assigned to now........
no matter which it is, he should permaban joe cool for violating the strict mandate slapped down on his ass not to have my name come out of his mouth or keyboard, which the prick has repeatedly violated without any provocation from me.
I've been letting this little kahksucker joecool slide due to joe crying to the mods, only to see the whiny pussy go off on me thread after thread.
non-pro broke dik fuks like joe cool should not be allowed to harass their superiors......
regardless, I voted "no" using smartmatic/dominion software, so it should count as 100,000 "no" votes by four days after this poll is closed.Comment -
LOL I'm just going to laugh at that one! Because I realize now that you aren't being serious. You are just being absurd!
Of course nobody has ever told me that I couldn't post to you, or try to joke around with you bro!
I'm sorry you have gone nuts about it.
Sorry I didn't catch on quicker that you are just being ridiculous and goofing around!!
Some of your stuff is so harsh, it is hard to discern your seriousness! Happy Holidays bro.
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what are you referring to in making your argument?Comment -
Optional is more than fair from what I have seen.Comment -
Optional gives you the opinion from both sides. What is your problem?Comment -
Optional has helped me more then once. I like him so much i left stuff in my will to him. Mostly socks.Comment -
LOL I'm just going to laugh at that one! Because I realize now that you aren't being serious. You are just being absurd!
Of course nobody has ever told me that I couldn't post to you, or try to joke around with you bro!
I'm sorry you have gone nuts about it.
Sorry I didn't catch on quicker that you are just being ridiculous and goofing around!!
Some of your stuff is so harsh, it is hard to discern your seriousness! Happy Holidays bro.
harsh?
of course I was just bustin your balls, Joe, I don't ever take sbr's "grown ass men arguing" seriously, so always read my stuff with a comedic "tongue in cheek", or if your around a hot babe, "tongue in bunghole".......
Have a good Christmas Season, Joe..........Comment -
Keep OptiComment -
The problem is that you have to find a replacement. Optional is good at math which is necessary for the job. The only other person good at math is LTProfits. He is the only alternative. LTProfits does not want the job though.Comment -
This thread. He exposes himself as having zero logic. Totally biased in favor of the sportsbooks. It's getting gross.Comment -
How many people do you think that SBR can find that will work for betpoints? It is not that easy.Comment -
optional it the best at what he do,,he all way there to helpComment -
Opti even offered me "hand relief" this evening down in Punta Cana.......
oh, wait, .... got my sbr personnel wrong, that was coked up brenner who offered such relief when I ran into him in the men's room in the Hard Rock Casino......Comment -
Yes, the guy defends sportbooks like they are his motherComment -
Yes, Opti is far too biased in favor of the books. I'd like to see someone else get a shot.
That being said I think he wears a lot of crap from keyboard tough guys that I would prefer he didn't have toComment -
Grady you only been around a few years. I remember back to j7 days, and everyone including Dozier and Lou that has helped has been biased towards sponsor books. Ya gotta understand the sbr business model, it goes all the way back to Cory
Opti is no different, and whoever comes after him won’t be any different either.
What I appreciate about Opti is he is always real, and he was a respected poster before becoming a mod, unlike CrazyLComment -
Justin7 could admit when he was wrong and would take it like a man.Comment -
We don't allow book reps on the forum. I'm the one who has to present the book point of view. And look like the bad guy sometimes.
We've been through the 2 leg teaser with a cancelled game discussion a few times before and most books require the 2nd leg to still win or it's a loss. Just like a normal parlay, it reduces to 1 leg and the fixed odds payout for a 1 leg teaser is money back.
Both sides took the bet in good faith based at the fixed odds and available info. Both sides can win or lose.
That is the logic behind why almost all books have always treated teasers this way.
Hey, throw all the shade at me you want, or stick your fingers in your ears and refuse to listen to that. It's just the best info I have from having had this complaint before.
You can bet them at Heritage or Bet105 and get a void if one game is cancelled.
And I agree with everyone that the Heritage position seems like the smart move given the general opinion and reaction when people get caught by this first time.
But I also think Betnow has it clearly stated in their rules how their teasers work, it's a justifiable rule based on widespread industry standards, and therefore I could not agree with Hedgehog's outrage at them grading his bet as they did.
Is that really some desperate attempt to defend a book or anti player? Even after the abuse I am not seeing that point of view.
What would I say to the book in the complaint submission? "This guy does not like your rules and wants his bet voided after the result is known"? "Your rules are unfair and you should not be allowed to have them"? What do I say when they point out that Bookmaker, Youwager, Betonline, 5Dimes etc etc all use the same rule and think it is valid... Do I just say well I know better than you and all of them? (serious questions).Comment -
Opti is a good dude, but I also disagree in this matter. Clear freeroll for the book. It might be the current rule, but it sure as **** shouldn't be and bettors have every right to question it.Comment -
Yeah it doesn’t matter how many times he says it. It’s still dumb rule. It reminds me of 5dimes situation where they wouldn’t cancel futures that could potentially settle after closed up shop. Leaving the bettors with only options to push or lose bet. and opti was defending that too. I’m tired of these offshore books and betting in general. It’s become a complete shit show and the people supposed to be on our side aren’t anymore. I don’t really get the logic that “he’s the books only representation” so he has to side with them. I mean the books make the decisions at end of day. Why do they need representation? I thought the point was this site advocated for players who pretty much have no power without public forums. Books don’t need representation. They have all the power already. They have your funds and grade the bets. Is that not enough?Comment -
You have to understand, SBR makes money off of these books and suckers that deposit there. There are suckers born every day but books are limited.
The guy's gotta eat and I'm pretty certain he likes to eat. If he wants to eat, he has to side with the books and not the suckers.Comment -
Well if they want to keep eating, maybe they should listen to legitimate player complaints and do something about it before we all move to onshore books?? If every time I go to a grocery store I get punched in the nuts, I'm going to start going to a different grocery store.Comment -
You've been here for a while, remember BetIsland fiasco? Don't rely on SBR or Opti, neither have your back.
Let me refresh your mind... https://www.usabookmakers.com/scams/betislands/Comment -
JJ Gold will be the first to admit, SBR fukked over their posters. He knew it was an inside job, that's why he left for a year. Do you remember this?Comment -
I wasnt here yet, but I was on another forum, and remember it. What was weird is I had just cashed out my account from them weeks before this happened. At the time, I thought it was weird that they sent me a bunch of $500 ** and ** money orders. Just glad I got out on time
But yeah, that made SBR look terrible since they gave them an A rating and defended them till the endComment -
If somebody bet a 2 team teaser and one game loses, then why would they even care if the other game was played/cancelled or not? LOL They already lost! Now if you win one game and the other one becomes postponed after you made the bet, then the book could either return your money or grant you another game to bet on.
Seems like places are doing one or the other of those 2 things when 1 game wins.Comment -
Not much reason to get riled up about this stuff. It is not like SBR can change anything. They just communicate the rules. The whole point is to pound on the book and embarrass them into making a change. It works a lot of the time. But these cases seem to be getting nowhere.
SBR is really only good for flat out stiffs.Comment -
Just repeating that is a rule is what sheep do
You keep saying if one side of the teaser loses
No...you dope. The teaser is canceled once you cannot win unless one game started before the other is canceled. Therefore it can''t lose it is just voided
Cancel the bet as a whole as long as one game has not started before the other ic canceled
Or replace the teaser. Don't be a stupid sheep and abide because someone say this is a rule
Idiotic rules need to be changes
We understand and accept the -110 rule for the most part but this is one where you cannot win which makes it unacceptable
Optional may be a good guy generally helping people but he is on the wrong side of this discussion
It is such a bad take to accept it one must wonder about his role in this part of the forum
Will he accept any rule a book puts forward and not help the player because "it is a rule"Comment
