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  • WillyBoy
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    • 06-19-18
    • 1988

    #1
    The Trump-Virus in the Swing States
    Trump is right to avoid another debate with Biden. Since his nationally televised melt-down, he’s lost poll numbers across the board; and, virtual or not, he simply can’t shut himself up, which isn’t playing well with any demographic. Getting sick himself, earned him nothing – and the fact he’s managed to turn the White House into a hotbed of Covid 19 is making a mockery of his claims of a “great response” to the Coronavirus pandemic.

    The poll numbers show that Trump could still snatch Florida, which could be a big deal come November 3rd, but he’ll need help in the form of “disqualified ballots” (something in which Florida Republicans are expert), well-armed “Proud Boys” (not the gay ones), firing a few shots in the air over voting lines, and a fully stacked SCOTUS to hear his challenge if he loses a close one. Chances are still fair-to-middling in both Arizona and Ohio, though he’s losing ground; and, having no friends in N. Carolina to count votes, he’ll lose a close one there, and need more SCOTUS help. He’s already lost the rest of these swing states, proving the adage true – that you can’t slaughter Americans and expect their vote.

  • deltgen
    SBR Wise Guy
    • 12-31-10
    • 865

    #2
    Hypothetically speaking of course--what will you make of these numbers in hindsight if there is a repeat of 2016? I'm genuinely curious about this.
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    • PharaohUB
      SBR MVP
      • 01-23-07
      • 4865

      #3
      Willys got one of the worst cases of TDS I’ve ever seen. I am concerned for you if trump wins. Please post day after election so we know you’re okay.
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      • WillyBoy
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        • 06-19-18
        • 1988

        #4
        Originally posted by deltgen
        Hypothetically speaking of course--what will you make of these numbers in hindsight if there is a repeat of 2016? I'm genuinely curious about this.
        Not sure what a “repeat of 2016” means, but these “numbers” I’ve posted are only what they say today. Trump could slide further, or make a comeback - beats me. Most polls give an “error margin” and, based on the final polls taken before the 2016 election, such error margins made it close enough that the major pollsters called the popular vote pretty much on the money.
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        • WillyBoy
          SBR MVP
          • 06-19-18
          • 1988

          #5
          Originally posted by PharaohUB
          Willys got one of the worst cases of TDS I’ve ever seen. I am concerned for you if trump wins. Please post day after election so we know you’re okay.
          You mean, how will I handle the prospect of an incompetent clown getting 4 more years in the White House? LOL. I handled GWB for four more years, I think I’ll survive Trump. I’m more concerned with those who desperately need their petty fears and hatreds validated (which Trump provides), but are suddenly smacked by a blue, Democratic tsunami, which how things are shaping up.
          Ps. What’s “TDS”?
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          • mtneer1212
            SBR MVP
            • 06-22-08
            • 4993

            #6
            You keep posting this incorrect data every time you post. For the 23rd time, Clinton DID NOT WIN FLORIDA in 2016.
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            • mtneer1212
              SBR MVP
              • 06-22-08
              • 4993

              #7
              Originally posted by WillyBoy
              You mean, how will I handle the prospect of an incompetent clown getting 4 more years in the White House? LOL. I handled GWB for four more years, I think I’ll survive Trump. I’m more concerned with those who desperately need their petty fears and hatreds validated (which Trump provides), but are suddenly smacked by a blue, Democratic tsunami, which how things are shaping up.
              Ps. What’s “TDS”?
              Trump derangement syndrome (TDS) is a pejorative term for criticism or negative reactions to United States President Donald Trump that are perceived to be irrational, and have little regard towards Trump's actual policy positions, or actions undertaken by his administration.
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              • RedApples
                SBR Wise Guy
                • 10-02-18
                • 721

                #8
                These polls are less scientific than Goat Milks NBA pontifications.
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                • RedApples
                  SBR Wise Guy
                  • 10-02-18
                  • 721

                  #9
                  These polls are less scientific than Goat Milks NBA pontifications.

                  All this information tells me is that Biden camp is very scared and needs to work extra hard to paint a false narrative.
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                  • WillyBoy
                    SBR MVP
                    • 06-19-18
                    • 1988

                    #10
                    Originally posted by mtneer1212
                    You keep posting this incorrect data every time you post. For the 23rd time, Clinton DID NOT WIN FLORIDA in 2016.
                    23 times? Well, sorry about that. I'll try harder next time.
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                    • deltgen
                      SBR Wise Guy
                      • 12-31-10
                      • 865

                      #11
                      Originally posted by WillyBoy
                      Not sure what a “repeat of 2016” means, but these “numbers” I’ve posted are only what they say today. Trump could slide further, or make a comeback - beats me. Most polls give an “error margin” and, based on the final polls taken before the 2016 election, such error margins made it close enough that the major pollsters called the popular vote pretty much on the money.
                      Thankfully, our founding fathers had the foresight to realize that the popular vote should not be how an election is decided. If it was, we would be called 'The United States of California and New York'.
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                      • Fred The Hammer
                        SBR Posting Legend
                        • 08-13-13
                        • 11581

                        #12
                        Originally posted by deltgen
                        Thankfully, our founding fathers had the foresight to realize that the popular vote should not be how an election is decided. If it was, we would be called 'The United States of California and New York'.
                        The founding fathers....ah yes. Great men and patriots, but they also owned slaves and declared black people 3/5 of a human being. Of course most trumpies think its more like 1/5, but my point is that maybe we shouldn't try to live by 18th century rules since we're in the 21st century.

                        Funny how Republicans have no problem with losing the popular vote or winning by 1 county in 2000 when Bush's brother was the governor. Maybe...just maybe they might have a problem if everything was reversed.
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                        • dustyy
                          SBR MVP
                          • 12-08-17
                          • 2459

                          #13
                          Originally posted by WillyBoy
                          Not sure what a “repeat of 2016” means, but these “numbers” I’ve posted are only what they say today. Trump could slide further, or make a comeback - beats me. Most polls give an “error margin” and, based on the final polls taken before the 2016 election, such error margins made it close enough that the major pollsters called the popular vote pretty much on the money.
                          You didn't include the SCOTUS in your poll numbers because they will ultimately toss the fraudulent solicited mail votes out the door, leaving Trump in office until January 2025.

                          Most recent poll had Trump at 66% (6) and Biden 33% (3)
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                          • aussiebuckeye
                            SBR Sharp
                            • 10-02-15
                            • 272

                            #14
                            Originally posted by WillyBoy
                            Trump is right to avoid another debate with Biden. Since his nationally televised melt-down, he’s lost poll numbers across the board; and, virtual or not, he simply can’t shut himself up, which isn’t playing well with any demographic. Getting sick himself, earned him nothing – and the fact he’s managed to turn the White House into a hotbed of Covid 19 is making a mockery of his claims of a “great response” to the Coronavirus pandemic.

                            The poll numbers show that Trump could still snatch Florida, which could be a big deal come November 3rd, but he’ll need help in the form of “disqualified ballots” (something in which Florida Republicans are expert), well-armed “Proud Boys” (not the gay ones), firing a few shots in the air over voting lines, and a fully stacked SCOTUS to hear his challenge if he loses a close one. Chances are still fair-to-middling in both Arizona and Ohio, though he’s losing ground; and, having no friends in N. Carolina to count votes, he’ll lose a close one there, and need more SCOTUS help. He’s already lost the rest of these swing states, proving the adage true – that you can’t slaughter Americans and expect their vote.

                            What televised meltdown?


                            It is clear you are an uneducated and uninformed voter aka a liberal therefore you do not base ANY decision you make in life on logic, rationality, math or science.

                            So what do you base your vote on? I'm honestly curious.
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                            • RangeFinder
                              SBR Hall of Famer
                              • 10-27-16
                              • 8041

                              #15
                              Polls, lol

                              Trump will win in a landslide. Nobody wants Kamala as president.
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                              • WillyBoy
                                SBR MVP
                                • 06-19-18
                                • 1988

                                #16
                                Originally posted by dustyy
                                You didn't include the SCOTUS in your poll numbers because they will ultimately toss the fraudulent solicited mail votes out the door, leaving Trump in office until January 2025.

                                Most recent poll had Trump at 66% (6) and Biden 33% (3)
                                No question, Republican lawyers crying "fraud!” will be challenging every state result where Trump loses by, say, less than 3%, but the Republican-stacked SCOTUS won’t be tossing ballots (that’s what Republican ballot counters in Florida do). SCOTUS will, if anything, be tossing “results”: the state declared winner; which, in all likelihood, will mean that neither Biden or Trump will have the necessary 270 votes. By law, that will throw the election to the newly elected state delegations in the House, where each delegation – each state – will get 1 vote. Republicans current hold the majority and if they keep it on Nov. 3rd, they’ll vote for Trump on January 20th 2021. If they lose their majority, then Biden is elected on that same day. The Republican challenge of “fraudulent” ballots will need to be significant enough to have changed an individual state’s results, which will be hard to prove where Biden wins big, as the polls currently show. Arguments and evidence before SCOTUS is all public, and even hacks like Alito, will have trouble tossing any state result Biden wins by 5% or more. Ohio, and N. Carolina are likely targets, and maybe Florida (which Trump, not Clinton, won in 2016 – my mistake) and Arizona.

                                Also, a more likely SCOTUS poll would be Trump at 55.6% (5) and Biden at 45.4% (4), as the Chief Justice is not the Republican party goon most Red Herd morons think him to be.
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                                • Redchevy
                                  SBR Sharp
                                  • 10-06-06
                                  • 486

                                  #17
                                  I don't believe these MSM Bullshit polls for 1 minute. Check out this poll below that is the Trafalgar group. This firm was about the only 1 that got the 2016 Election correct, predicting a Trump win. Take a good hard look at the differences in their polling numbers. It's totally opposite MSM Bullshit.

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                                  • dustyy
                                    SBR MVP
                                    • 12-08-17
                                    • 2459

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by WillyBoy
                                    No question, Republican lawyers crying "fraud!” will be challenging every state result where Trump loses by, say, less than 3%, but the Republican-stacked SCOTUS won’t be tossing ballots (that’s what Republican ballot counters in Florida do). SCOTUS will, if anything, be tossing “results”: the state declared winner; which, in all likelihood, will mean that neither Biden or Trump will have the necessary 270 votes. By law, that will throw the election to the newly elected state delegations in the House, where each delegation – each state – will get 1 vote. Republicans current hold the majority and if they keep it on Nov. 3rd, they’ll vote for Trump on January 20th 2021. If they lose their majority, then Biden is elected on that same day. The Republican challenge of “fraudulent” ballots will need to be significant enough to have changed an individual state’s results, which will be hard to prove where Biden wins big, as the polls currently show. Arguments and evidence before SCOTUS is all public, and even hacks like Alito, will have trouble tossing any state result Biden wins by 5% or more. Ohio, and N. Carolina are likely targets, and maybe Florida (which Trump, not Clinton, won in 2016 – my mistake) and Arizona.

                                    Also, a more likely SCOTUS poll would be Trump at 55.6% (5) and Biden at 45.4% (4), as the Chief Justice is not the Republican party goon most Red Herd morons think him to be.
                                    Yeah, you are right, without the new justice it would be 4-4. You can thank Harry Reid for this new justice and Trump winning another 4 years. Throw a little love to Schumer's group for the R's gaining 2 US Senate seats in 2018, the Kavanaugh hearing woke up the electorate and I am hopeful that Harris will show up again at the ACB hearing..the electorate needs to see how sweet and sincere she is.

                                    Never seen an organization so inept as the DNC when it comes to the electoral process. Elections have consequences..indeed
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                                    • edawg
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                                      • 07-09-11
                                      • 2820

                                      #19
                                      WillyBoy= Commie Chinese propaganda disinformation campaign
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                                      • TheGoldenGoose
                                        SBR MVP
                                        • 11-27-12
                                        • 3745

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by Redchevy
                                        I don't believe these MSM Bullshit polls for 1 minute. Check out this poll below that is the Trafalgar group. This firm was about the only 1 that got the 2016 Election correct, predicting a Trump win. Take a good hard look at the differences in their polling numbers. It's totally opposite MSM Bullshit.

                                        https://www.thetrafalgargroup.org/
                                        Some of these polls are 2 weeks old... an ETERNITY in a Political Race.
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                                        • mcaulay777
                                          SBR MVP
                                          • 09-13-10
                                          • 1769

                                          #21
                                          Here is what I see and as of right now I have no clue who im voting for.Here in Iowa I think it belongs to Trump.I see at least 10 Trump signs in Peoples lawns compared to maybe 2 or 3 for Biden if that.I do see a few mere Biden signs then in 2016 when I saw no Clinton signs.Second during the hayday of American Idol I used to pick the winner By seeing who had the most people during there hometown Visits, and using that when Trump goes out he gets Hundreds of People at a Airport.While Biden performs in front of just a few people.But im still not sure.If I had Money to bet on the election I probably would put some on Trump.A month ago I was sure Trump would win but im not certain now.
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                                          • Redchevy
                                            SBR Sharp
                                            • 10-06-06
                                            • 486

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by TheGoldenGoose
                                            Some of these polls are 2 weeks old... an ETERNITY in a Political Race.
                                            No worries for me, Trump supporters aren't switching over to Biden and I believe more Dems will jump ship because of his Dementia and Harris on the ticket. Just how I see it!!!
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                                            • WillyBoy
                                              SBR MVP
                                              • 06-19-18
                                              • 1988

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by Redchevy
                                              I don't believe these MSM Bullshit polls for 1 minute. Check out this poll below that is the Trafalgar group. This firm was about the only 1 that got the 2016 Election correct, predicting a Trump win. Take a good hard look at the differences in their polling numbers. It's totally opposite MSM Bullshit.

                                              https://www.thetrafalgargroup.org/
                                              The poll numbers I posted above were culled and averaged from poll aggregators: Real Clear Politics and 538. The Trafalgar Group is a well-known, Georgia-based, right-wing polling organization; and, given that it, inevitably, post polls with Republicans leading in nearly every race across the nation, it’s bound to be right once in a while – as it was in Michigan and Ohio for Trump in 2016. It flubbed big time on 2016 House races, and again 2018, and whatever is left of its reputation is riding on the hope of a big red wave in November. Be interesting to see what Trafalgar is doing a year from now.
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                                              • WillyBoy
                                                SBR MVP
                                                • 06-19-18
                                                • 1988

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by TheGoldenGoose
                                                Some of these polls are 2 weeks old... an ETERNITY in a Political Race.
                                                You’re right, two weeks IS an “eternity” in a political campaign, which is why, of the polls I culled and averaged from Real Clear Politics and 538, none predated the 1st debate.
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                                                • WillyBoy
                                                  SBR MVP
                                                  • 06-19-18
                                                  • 1988

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by Redchevy
                                                  No worries for me, Trump supporters aren't switching over to Biden and I believe more Dems will jump ship because of his Dementia and Harris on the ticket. Just how I see it!!!
                                                  Despite how you “see it”, the only jumping going on are former “undecideds” now going with Biden; and these are the post-debate numbers – which Trump clearly tanked.
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                                                  • rickie65
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                                                    • 08-27-07
                                                    • 2895

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by deltgen
                                                    Thankfully, our founding fathers had the foresight to realize that the popular vote should not be how an election is decided. If it was, we would be called 'The United States of California and New York'.
                                                    based on those 2 states I'd say we'd be called China by now
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