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  • WillyBoy
    SBR MVP
    • 06-19-18
    • 1988

    #1
    “Give Me Liberty AND Death!”, it’s only fair.
    It’s a treat hearing the bird-brains chirping FAUX News fictions, confirming and reconfirming to themselves that Covid 19 is just as deadly as the flu. Nevermind that flu season has all but ended, it’s the flu killing people, not the Coronavirus – “Laura Ingraham told me!”. Better to party hard, and spread it around, because lockdowns are sooooo unAmerican. Killing parents is a just reward for the selfishness of the old – the nerve of them wanting to live a little longer. So bring on “herd immunity”, and lookout Florida, the welcomed 60% infection rate will pack Sunshine State morgues to the ceiling with the old and frail – the greedy scum - and good riddance. “Live Free – and kill everybody!”
  • fried cheese
    SBR MVP
    • 09-17-13
    • 4461

    #2
    do you even know if stay at home orders are accomplishing anything? 6 states didnt issue stay at home orders. 4 our of the best 7 states for deaths per million are states that didnt have a stay at home order. the other 2 states are also doing well. they are all low density states but even comparing them to other states around their same density they are still doing better on average.

    the only state that is even doing much better than any of them with a much larger density is hawaii. and i would bet that is due to its extreme isolation from the rest of the mainland. if you take out alaska and hawaii, 4 out of the top 5 states for lowest death per million are states without stay at home orders.
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    • fried cheese
      SBR MVP
      • 09-17-13
      • 4461

      #3
      here is a list for the top 21 states for deaths per million population. the states in bold didnt issue stay at home orders.

      Hawaii 619 16 71 435 11 32,432 22,807 [1] [2]
      Alaska 365 +1 9 95 494 12 21,399 28,976 [1]
      Wyoming 566 7 188 973 12 9,306 15,994 [1] [2]
      Montana 455 +2 16 35 437 15 14,635 14,049 [1] [2]
      Utah 4,981 +153 49 +3 2,747 1,636 16 117,804 38,683 [1]
      Arkansas 3,321 64 1,272 1,110 21 50,305 16,821 [1]
      South Dakota 2,588 +63 21 808 2,994 24 18,091 20,932 [1]
      Oregon 2,579 104 1,615 632 25 58,176 14,252 [1] [2]
      West Virginia 1,169 +18 48 +1 640 639 26 49,146 26,870 [1]
      Texas 30,522 +629 849 17,166 1,095 30 380,648 13,651
      Tennessee 12,661 +770 209 +5 6,734 1,904 31 196,276 29,510
      North Dakota 1,153 +46 24 +1 619 1,533 32 31,547 41,940 [1]
      Idaho 2,035 63 885 1,206 37 29,335 17,381 [1] [2]
      Nebraska 4,838 73 4,743 2,540 38 29,557 15,517 [1] [2]
      Maine 1,152 +29 56 +1 407 864 42 20,641 15,487 [1] [2]
      North Carolina 11,579 +508 430 +11 9,341 1,140 42 139,475 13,734 [1] [2]
      Kansas 4,634 +98 140 +2 3,590 1,593 48 33,034 11,357 [1] [2]
      Arizona 8,364 +402 348 +18 7,946 1,204 50 77,997 11,228 [1]
      South Carolina 6,258 256 1,121 1,263 52 59,379 11,981 [1] [2]
      California 52,295 +520 2,135 +24 46,823 1,336 55 654,985 16,731 [1] [2]
      Iowa 8,641 +757 175 +5 5,310 2,759 56 49,727 15,875 [1] [2]
      here is a list of population density.

      By Population Density
      Rank State Name Population Land Area (sq mi) Population Density
      1 New Jersey 8,958,013 7,417 1,207.8
      2 Rhode Island 1,056,298 1,045 1,010.8
      3 Massachusetts 6,794,422 7,840 866.6
      4 Connecticut 3,590,886 4,845 741.2
      5 Maryland 6,006,401 9,774 614.5
      6 Delaware 945,934 1,954 484.1
      7 New York 19,795,791 47,214 419.3
      8 Florida 20,271,272 53,927 375.9
      9 Pennsylvania 12,802,503 44,817 285.7
      10 Ohio 11,613,423 40,948 283.6
      11 California 39,144,818 155,959 251.0
      12 Illinois 12,859,995 55,584 231.4
      13 Hawaii 1,431,603 6,423 222.9
      14 Virginia 8,382,993 39,594 211.7
      15 North Carolina 10,042,802 48,711 206.2
      16 Indiana 6,619,680 35,867 184.6
      17 Georgia 10,214,860 57,906 176.4
      18 Michigan 9,922,576 56,804 174.7
      19 South Carolina 4,896,146 30,110 162.6
      20 Tennessee 6,600,299 41,217 160.1
      21 New Hampshire 1,330,608 8,968 148.4
      22 Kentucky 4,425,092 39,728 111.4
      23 Washington 7,170,351 66,544 107.8
      24 Louisiana 4,670,724 43,562 107.2
      25 Wisconsin 5,771,337 54,310 106.3
      26 Texas 27,469,114 261,797 104.9
      27 Alabama 4,858,979 50,744 95.8
      28 Missouri 6,083,672 68,886 88.3
      29 West Virginia 1,844,128 24,078 76.6
      30 Minnesota 5,489,594 79,610 69.0
      31 Vermont 626,042 9,250 67.7
      32 Mississippi 2,992,333 46,907 63.8
      33 Arizona 6,828,065 113,635 60.1
      34 Arkansas 2,978,204 52,068 57.2
      35 Oklahoma 3,911,338 68,667 57.0
      36 Iowa 3,123,899 55,869 55.9
      37 Colorado 5,456,574 103,718 52.6
      38 Maine 1,329,328 30,862 43.1
      39 Oregon 4,028,977 95,997 42.0
      40 Utah 2,995,919 82,144 36.5
      41 Kansas 2,911,641 81,815 35.6
      42 Nevada 2,890,845 109,826 26.3
      43 Nebraska 1,896,190 76,872 24.7
      44 Idaho 1,654,930 82,747 20.0
      45 New Mexico 2,085,109 121,356 17.2
      46 South Dakota 858,469 75,885 11.3
      47 North Dakota 756,927 68,976 11.0
      48 Montana 1,032,949 145,552 7.1
      49 Wyoming 586,107 97,100 6.0
      50 Alaska 738,432 571,951 1.3
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      • WillyBoy
        SBR MVP
        • 06-19-18
        • 1988

        #4
        Originally posted by fried cheese
        do you even know if stay at home orders are accomplishing anything? 6 states didnt issue stay at home orders. 4 our of the best 7 states for deaths per million are states that didnt have a stay at home order. the other 2 states are also doing well. they are all low density states but even comparing them to other states around their same density they are still doing better on average.

        the only state that is even doing much better than any of them with a much larger density is hawaii. and i would bet that is due to its extreme isolation from the rest of the mainland. if you take out alaska and hawaii, 4 out of the top 5 states for lowest death per million are states without stay at home orders.
        Hawaii has been in lockdown from the start and, while contact with the mainland has dropped by 50%, it’s hard explaining the low infection and death numbers on that alone. Your point about low density states, is lost on me, however. Low-density, and thus low-risk, states like Wyoming, lockdown or not, are bound to experience less of a Covid 19 spread and number of dead. Your question: “do you even know if stay at home orders are accomplishing anything?” kind of defies common sense. Reduced contact must mean reduced risk, unless you think this virus appears and spreads by magic. I think you have a point to make, you just need to make it clearer to my aged brain.
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        • fried cheese
          SBR MVP
          • 09-17-13
          • 4461

          #5
          Originally posted by WillyBoy
          Hawaii has been in lockdown from the start and, while contact with the mainland has dropped by 50%, it’s hard explaining the low infection and death numbers on that alone. Your point about low density states, is lost on me, however. Low-density, and thus low-risk, states like Wyoming, lockdown or not, are bound to experience less of a Covid 19 spread and number of dead. Your question: “do you even know if stay at home orders are accomplishing anything?” kind of defies common sense. Reduced contact must mean reduced risk, unless you think this virus appears and spreads by magic. I think you have a point to make, you just need to make it clearer to my aged brain.
          well the spread is probably mostly reduced with just social distancing and closing the restaurants and crowd drawing events. stay at home orders on top of that might not be doing much.

          my point about low population density states is that they dont appear to be doing any worse on average when they dont have stay at home orders. so you could at least argue that any states around arkansas or lower do not need a stay at home order.

          also, i have heard that the more you are exposed to covid-19 the more serious your illness could be. so when a family stays together in a small apartment in the denser cities all day, if one of them goes out for groceries and gets infected then they are constantly exposing their other family members in a small space.
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          • WillyBoy
            SBR MVP
            • 06-19-18
            • 1988

            #6
            Originally posted by fried cheese
            well the spread is probably mostly reduced with just social distancing and closing the restaurants and crowd drawing events. stay at home orders on top of that might not be doing much.

            my point about low population density states is that they dont appear to be doing any worse on average when they dont have stay at home orders. so you could at least argue that any states around arkansas or lower do not need a stay at home order.

            also, i have heard that the more you are exposed to covid-19 the more serious your illness could be. so when a family stays together in a small apartment in the denser cities all day, if one of them goes out for groceries and gets infected then they are constantly exposing their other family members in a small space.
            Thank you for the explanation. I agree with all your points. Stay-at-home and lockdown policies may reduce the exponential aspect of the spread, but it’s not a cure – as you point out; and the case numbers are increasing, although more slowly. Testing, contact tracing and quarantine also will not – at this point in the U.S. – eliminate the disease, but it would allow for greater economic opening, while reducing the risk of random exposure. Barring a vaccine or cure, Covid 19 is not going away anytime soon; and, when “experts” describe the inevitability of the “second wave” coming this Fall, I wish I was one of those denial-dummies.
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            • Sanity Check
              SBR Posting Legend
              • 03-30-13
              • 10962

              #7
              Originally posted by fried cheese
              the only state that is even doing much better than any of them with a much larger density is hawaii. and i would bet that is due to its extreme isolation from the rest of the mainland.
              Average high temperatures range from 81 to 88 degrees year round.

              Detailed temperature information for Honolulu, Hawaii with statistics on average monthly highs and lows plus number of days with hot weather.
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