Well maybe they just changed the Lord's Prayer??? My grandparents always say, "Forgive us our transgressions". I learned it as "trespasses". Now it's debts. Actually it was debts back in the 18th century. Variety is the spice of life.
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yeah i'm just giving you some examples on what people are claiming. i can't confirm or deny anything about the bible since i don't know too much about the bible and i don't own an old version of kjv. like i said to you earlier in this thread, not everyone experiences the mandela effect. you're probably from a different timeline especially since all of your memories are from the changed version for those that experience the mandela effect.Comment -
If anyone cares to, they can read the conversation I was having w/Brainfreeze over in the GOD thread a couple weeks ago... where I was trying to edify him on the ways of Quantum. Like many, his superstitions prevent him from accepting known science over myth. Que sera sera....
The ways of Quantum are real... the "mandela effect" is pseudo.
BOTTOM LINE: Ol Billy had it right moons ago --
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,
Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
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another interesting video. this guy claims the image on his cup have been altered. i don't remember capricorn having a fishtail.
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i went back and watched some of my old home pornos..... many of the "OH God, Oh God, Oh God's!" that were screamed out by the women participants in DonkLand have now been altered to say "NO God, No God, No God!"
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What you state is an opinion... not fact.
Can't be logically disputed that what you say is mere opinion.
People have believed pseudo stuff as "100%" since the dawn of mankind... nothing new there. Marshall Applewhite was "100% certain" he was a God manifestation and all his followers in Heaven's Gate were "100% certain" that's exactly what he was. ttwarrior is 100% certain he's good looking and actually getting laid and theCHAOZ is 100% certain he's running around NJ with an internet MILF.
And as Kurt would say... "And so it goes..."
People are gonna believe what they want to believe; the human mind plays many tricks on us (scientifically proven fact).
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nah, like i said, in your timeline, what i say is my opinion but in my timeline, mandela effect is 100% real.
what makes you think quantum is real? that's your opinion. we could all just be in a simulation. like elon musk says the chance of this universe being a base reality is 1 in a billion. nothing is real pal when you think about it. we're nothing but highly developed computer programs.
and i will repeat this for the last time, there's a difference between confabulation and the mandela effect.
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There's vids of a guy trying to figure out some things on his own too Geng I saw the other day he says he memorized road signs like the way certain slashes or lines were and he said less than a week later they were the opposite, he doesnt remember Berenstain bears books as a kid though.Comment -
there's no true logic or argument with mandela effect. how does one that hasn't experienced the effect try to understand someone that's going through the experience?
it's like a virgin telling a non-virgin, pussy isn't real. you can use logic all you want but you're not gonna change someone that's been inside a pussy, it's only his imagination...Comment -
I know Quantum is real b/c there have actually been repeated scientific experiments proving it; the same particle existing in 2 different places at the same time has been... *wait for it*... scientifically observed, via scientific method. There's quantum computers in operation, right now, as we speak. REAL.
Your mandela effect has no such science behind it actually proving it, like many quantum theories have (via experiments, mathematical equations, computers, etc). Mandela effect is mere OPINION... this can't be disputed logically. Come with some actual scientific evidence (not anecdotal evidence) to back it up, then we'll talk seriously about it.
BTW, an Islamic terrorist can use your flawed logic to say in YOUR TIMELINE, blowing up/killing innocent children and various other people is wrong in YOUR OPINION, but in HIS TIMELINE, he's 100% certain it's the morally correct way to go about things. (i.e., what you say is a copout to explain away anyone's beliefs about anything, you're just not in the same "timeline", is all. Uh, that's not science, pal.)Comment -
lol scientifically observed... most science is based on theory. you can give me the distance between the earth and mars then claim it's real but in actuality it's just theoretical number. gravity for example, theoretically it exists but how would you show me it's real? you can't, you can only prove that it exists... *wait for it* in theory.
if we were to live in a holographic universe, how would you claim what's real and what's not? if you're in a computer simulation what is a scientific observation and scientific method? it's all relative pal. what you consider real isn't as real you think it is.
so let me ask you, if quantum computers and cern can enter parallel universes and manipulate time and space, would multiverse theory be proven as fact according to your definition?
anyway, if you haven't experienced the mandela effect, don't act like you know what's going on. it's obvious, you're talking out of your...*wait for it* ...assssComment -
WOW. I've been giving you more intellectual credit than you deserve... my bad.
There's so much wrongness in what you say I'm not sure I want to waste anymore time discussing this w/you.
I'll waste just a lil more:
1. Even if we accept the notion that most science is based on theory (setting aside all the things that science has directly manifested in everyday life that would make one possibly want to dispute that)... even if we accept that, that does nothing whatsoever to alter the FACT that many things have been, in fact, scientifically observed. Two different things, observation and theory. And yes, a particle has been scientifically observed to be in more than one place at the same time, ergo, Quantum stuff; I'm sorry that your mandela effect has no such similar scientific observation behind it, BUT, I'll do a big ol "AWWWWW, SHUCKS" with ya if it'll make you feel better.
2. Apparently your timeline erased the Viking program... uh, did you know we've had spacecraft land on Mars? To actually accomplish this, real distance numbers had to be calculated -- nothing theoretical about that, pal.
3. One can play semantic jerkoff games to the meaning of "theory" in scientific circles... but just to catch you up on the latest:
But it's not been proven we live in a holographic universe... so, consequently, as of now, we can only go on the type of science & scientific methods that we've used for centuries to manifest all that we see around us (electricity, computers, airplanes on & on) --- the way mankind has gone about science (to date) has been pretty successful, all in all. So.... I'll continue to trust in its overall effectiveness to prove what's real in this universe until something better comes along to replace that science & its methods.if we were to live in a holographic universe, how would you claim what's real and what's not? if you're in a computer simulation what is a scientific observation and scientific method? it's all relative pal. what you consider real isn't as real you think it is.
Finite universes? Infinite universes? (both schools of thought in multiverse theory). With strictly what you decribe above, it wouldn't prove the distinction between many (but finite) or infinite... but, it'd certainly go a long way in proving the basic tenets, especially if resources (added particles/matter) were measureably gained as a result of such manipulation.so let me ask you, if quantum computers and cern can enter parallel universes and manipulate time and space, would multiverse theory be proven as fact according to your definition?
Lame copout bullshit... and weakminded.anyway, if you haven't experienced the mandela effect, don't act like you know what's going on. it's obvious, you're talking out of your...*wait for it* ...assss
I haven't experienced pregnancy (and hopefully you haven't either, but in this Age of Caitlyn... who knows? NTTAWWT, pal... and congrats if you have in your timeline) -- BUT, there's copious amounts of scientific knowledge to discern "what's going on" regarding pregnancy. One needn't have to experience it to discern its absolute validity. DUH... don't you know that? (Don't answer, it's rhetorical.)
You're just pissed there's no actual science to back up how you "feel" about the mandela effect... awwww, poor baby. So just lash out and say someone doesn't know whats's going on and they're talking out their ass blah blah blah so it makes you feel better about your beliefs/opinions (and so you don't have to have a grown-up discussion about it). Typical weak-mindedness. Again, the Islamic terrorist can play the same card: "You haven't experienced the Allah effect, don't act like you know what's going on. Allah commands me to kill the infidels, and if you say you don't experience the truth of that and I'm wrong then you're lost and don't know Allah and you're just talking out your ass."
One doesn't have to experience paranoid schizophrenia, either... to know it's REAL. (hell, some SBR posters prove it!)
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before we go any further you do know that scientific theories have properties known as falsifiability right?
"they can be proven wrong simply by making predictions that is experimentally incorrect. but they can never be proven correct, no matter how often they are verified."
you must understand what that means before you claim scientific methods as being... *wait for it* ...absolute truths.
anyway, my reality is different than yours. whether we're a computer program or not, it's obvious you live in the matrix. you bring up science like it's the ultimate truth. but fasifiability destroys your argument.
besides, in my world, the fundamental concept of science or its methods of proof itself is flawed.
who is the father of modern physics? albert einstein...
what people don't realize is einstein was a miserable human being, a big failure. he barely graduated college in 1900 and couldn't find a job. he was so bad his dad had to beg a professor for an assistant position when he was 22 and got rejected. this was 1901 mind you. in 1902 he had his first daughter but no one knows what the hell happened to her. there's no record of his first child. what a terrible human being, they say he gave her up for adoption but who really knows. anyway, he couldn't find a real job so he settles for a menial job and becomes a patent clerk. even then, he couldn't even get a promotion from patent clerk third class to patent clerk second clerk in 1904.
then in 1905 out of the blue he publishes... *wait for it* ...the theory of relativity? anyone with a half a brain knows this is impossible. especially in science. so why are frauds like einstein praised where as true geniuses like tesla and rife made a pauper? interesting fact, einstein never got a nobel prize for e=mc2.
in science, even if the ideas are flawed or wrong they will cover it up as long as possible. perfect example is the germ theory. germ theory has been proven wrong... *wait for it* ...by your favorite scientific methods. but the scientific community flushed that down the toilet.
bottom line, they will only let you learn what they want you to perceive as reality but even in scientific world, nothing is real.
it's also funny to me to discredit the mandela effect already when this is a new concept. how do you call yourself and brag about science when some of the theories in science needed decades if not centuries to mature? you already discrediting something that you have no idea about makes me think you don't ruminate about new concepts but regurgitate what they tell you. that's not science... that's just being a minion.Comment -
watch this video and tell me what scientific method and proof brought this man. science is censored in our world. it's not as real as you think it is...
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1. Ok... it's hard to take anyone seriously when they call Einstein a fraud and say he didn't come up with the Theory Of Relativity; rational dialog ceases at that point, so... we're pretty much done here (beyond this post).
2. The only one to use the term "absolute truths" is Kahn... not I. He ascribes it to me when only he has introduced the term (read my posts). I use terms like "scientific fact", not "absolute truths". I use such precise terms because: quantum theory makes evident that different scientific facts would apply in different universes (i.e., gravity would behave much differently in another universe than it does in ours). So... using scientific fact is correct and appropriate, as opposed to the term Kahn introduced (and tried to pin on me). Absolute truths would imply states of existence consistent everywhere (all universes) -- I made no such statement.
I deal with science and its methods that have *proven* to be verifiably productive (in our universe), and has taken us from Stone Age wheel to computers to space exploration; the fact that science isn't always right and methods/theories must be tweaked along the way does nothing to discredit its overall authenticity. People that like to throw the baby out with the bathwater just because science can't precisely take you from A to Z every time (regarding extremely complex concepts, btw... not easy to figure out) are, well, those people are rather intellectually stunted (not speaking of anyone specifically, here... I'm generalizing).
3. Kahn's interpretation/understanding of falsifiability is rudimentary, and the idea that he thinks he can use it as a blanket to negate a (scientific) argument is... *wait for it*... comical. (I do like how he's adopted my ... *wait for it"... tho, as imitation is indeed the sincerest form of flattery.) I humbly advise Kahn to acquaint himself with the bona fide scholarly criticisms of falsifiability. Just sayin'.... (And thankfully, scientific method has somehow, miraculously, progressed us from Fred Flintstone-type cars. Who'd a thunk it?)
4. Kahn is the one convinced of certain things, not I. I keep an open mind about next-to-everything, BUT, I'm just not as gullible as many are; I need PROOF (of conspiracies, concepts, phenomena, etc.), and anecdotal stories and "feelings" don't cut the mustard for me -- my bar is set much higher. The concept is understood just fine (mandela effect), it's just not accepted, absent actual proof.
*I clearly stated previously: Bring me some science behind the mandela effect... then we'll talk.* Or hell, something even remotely resembling actual proof (if science offends one's sensibilities), and not just anecdotal YT videos or personal "feelings" about it. That's hardly a closed mind on the subject.
5. Kahn finds some things funny, here's what I find funny: He states the distance between the earth and Mars is a theoretical number when, in fact, it's not (as real numbers were calculated to land spacecraft there) and is edified how one doesn't have to experience something to realize its 100% validity (like my pregnancy analogy), etc.... then, how he subsequently ignores those facts/corrections and just pushes forward with more erroneous statements. Funny stuff.
6. BOTTOM LINE: There is common ground Kahn and I can agree upon, i.e., there's far more going on then what we as a species knows/perceives. We've barely uncovered the proverbial tip of the iceberg. The Musk & Quantum computer vids were provocative and good. The Mandela effect???...er, long ways to go on that one.
7. Donker... SHARP. Unfortunately for Baldy, his 2.5'er ain't getting no multiverse alien poon, either.
Finally... no offense intended... but *some* of Kahn's musings had me thinking of this famous scene:
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there's a rap song that says something about "let's play a game of Operation"...... the old game where u try to remove shit without touching anything or the damn buzzer goes off.....
setting aside the idiocy of the lyrics (the last thing you want to do with a woman while sexxing it up is not to touch anything), I sense JJ's sexual experiences are indeed like a winning game of operation....
is it really sex if you stick it in the hole, but don't make any contact with the walls, etc.?
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i'm gonna put this simply, just because a theory is proven to be 100% accurate doesn't mean it becomes a law. if you know anything about the general relativity and quantum mechanics, independently speaking, both have been proven as true but when you combine the two, they're not compatible. so what does this tell us? just because one thing is proven to true by scientific methods doesn't mean it's always true. hence, the string theory came along to try to combine the two. we will see where this takes us...
i'm a believer in the universe being infinite and it's comprised mainly of what we can't see. that is why everything is in theory so don't fall in love with what they tell you now, most likely in the future, our knowledge of the universe will be false. even recently, susskind had a 15 year debate with hawking about the black hole and hawking admitted he was wrong. then someone new will come along and challenge susskind and he'll be proven wrong. there's even a theoretical physicist that says gravity doesn't exist. he says he'll prove that it doesn't exist in the next 10 to 20 years.
anyway, getting back to my reality... a monk said changing of the mind is the true miracle and i believe him. no matter what i say or show you, you will not change your mind. i believe in science and i majored in science but the science as you see it is not what you really think it is.
tptb will not give people the freedom to discover and invent new things. they are the gatekeepers to what can be discovered and what can be invented. the true history doesn't lie. when you learn who's really in charge you'll understand what's really going on with science. most people don't realize cern has been around since 1954. so for example, why did the global elites let cern thrive while shutting down a man that cured cancer back in 1932 or call a man that tried to give free energy to the world and had 278 patents a madman?
to you this sounds crazy but obviously you didn't watch the video. if you love science, watch the royal rife documentary. yes, it's hard to understand and it's long, i majored in microbio and i had to watch it several times to grasp what he really accomplished but this man had cure for cancer all the way back in 1932. so why have we never heard of this man in schools? this got me angry and forced me to look at who's really in charge of our healthcare system and our education system. and when you dig deep, it's no other than the rockefeller family. they are involved in every fukking thing in our world. they're the ones responsible for setting up the matrix.
basically, in your matrix, there is no cure for cancer, in my world out of the matrix, cure for cancer exists. do you know where i'm getting at?
i don't know about all the mandela effect but three things i'm certain of...
1. dolly's braces being there. i watched this movie as a kid in the movie theater and everyone in the theater laughed when she smiled with braces and jaws instantly fell in love with her.
2. "life is like a box of chocolates." i actually quoted that line in one of my term papers.
3. "if you build it they will come." my friends and i used to joke around with that line.
now how would i prove to you scientifically that these changes actually happened physically on my dvds and vhs tapes?
maybe one day you'll experience it yourself and mindfukk you the way this has mindfukked many.
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i didn't make up anything about einstein's earlier years before he allegedly came up with the theory of relativity. what i've states is all documented.
listen to this interview, it might change your notion about einstein... i doubt it though. you know that saying, "you can't handle the truth!!!" well i believe it.
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fuk this .... someo ne shoot biden alreAdy.....
i'd love to blow the back of his f'n bald f'n head off......
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